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    P150EM Upgrading from 675M to 680M!

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by hackness, Jun 28, 2012.

  1. 5482741

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    So you haven't been able to overclock past the MSI Afterburner max?

    Have you tried using NVIDIA System Tools?
     
    5482741, Jul 4, 2012
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    is the 135 mhz core oc an artificial limit put there by nvidia ?
     
    fantabulicius, Jul 5, 2012
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  3. hackness

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    Around 20C, GTX680M's temp is naturally low. It's unexpectedly low really. Also when running Furmark my GTX680M auto throttles, this might be a feature to keep the gpu safe.

    Not tried yet, is that tool for kepler? I tried EVGA precision X for kepler gpu, the program freezes when I apply the clock lol.

    It's a limit on the Msi afterburner, and what's weird here is that it says +135 on the slider instead of the actual clock. Nvidia inspector couldn't read the P0 state too.
     
    hackness, Jul 5, 2012
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    well I'm sure there are updates to these tools soon. Wonder if you got a "good overclocker" or if this is the standard for 680M's and there will be a few gems in the lot later
     
    hizzaah, Jul 5, 2012
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  5. hackness

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    ok this is what happen full time when running Furmark on my GTX680M, maybe the 180W adapter isn't enough or the card is designed to throttle against burning benchtools. Voltage stays at 0.962v full time during Furmark, like the 0.962v state is designed for throttling.

    [​IMG]
     
    hackness, Jul 5, 2012
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    Don't happen to have a Kill A Watt do you?
     
    hizzaah, Jul 5, 2012
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  7. hackness

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    Sorry I don't have one at the moment.

    Was able to push the Memory Clock to 2700MHz(+900), I didn't know samsung vram makes that big of a difference. Also it seems like the +135MHz limit came from the card itself, I tried using nvidia inspector, max is +135MHz too, it gives me a feeling that this was for the boost clock that they didn't enable on the GTX680M.
    Edit: Nevermind, it started throttling once I start the benchmark. I guess 2600MHz on memory clock is about the max for GTX680M.
     
    hackness, Jul 5, 2012
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    Does the gpu start throttling in game with OC clock?
     
    Tonrac, Jul 5, 2012
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    Just take a pic of the vRAM modules and we'll tell you max OC ;).
     
    Blacky, Jul 5, 2012
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  10. jaybee83

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    take a look at the OP ^^

    Sent from my GT-I9001 using Tapatalk 2
     
    jaybee83, Jul 5, 2012
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  11. fantomasz

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    as of today looks like 680 have less problems than 7970
    but both gpu suffer from lack of drivers
    I hope this will change in future
     
    fantomasz, Jul 5, 2012
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  12. Blacky

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    Ah, thanx!

    Looks like they are design to work well up to 1250 MHz. After that ... it's a different story.

    Edit: How do those results compare with the 7970M ?
     
    Blacky, Jul 5, 2012
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    Nvidia GTX 560M vs 675M
    Result

    Nvidia GTX 560M vs 680M
    Result
     
    Mikaelft, Jul 5, 2012
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    check out the results in my laptop blog in my sig ;)
     
    vuman619, Jul 5, 2012
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  15. Blacky

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    Uhhh, I see. Nicely done! But gaming benches? Are those coming up as well?
     
    Blacky, Jul 5, 2012
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    Its a feature of the 680M I guess.
    Notebookcheck also got throttling when reviewing the 680M. They tested the P170EM but with a 220W power supply.

    Maximum power draw when doing a very resourceful heavy task: Furmark + Prime95, was 183W for the entire system.
    [​IMG]

    Here is the screenshot of their test. Its unfortunally a small picture but you can clearly show it says that its throttling in the Furmark window. The GPU temperature is low, the power draw is a lot less than 220W so I think it must be a feature

    [​IMG]
     
    Cloudfire, Jul 5, 2012
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    nvidia have been implementing furmark / OCCT throttling ever since 580M, nothing new there :)
     
    jaybee83, Jul 5, 2012
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    from what u have posted it seems that benchmarks like 3dmark11 and furmark have better outcome on 680M, and benchmarks like Crysis 2 and BF 3 seem to be at the same level on both GPUs (some games seem to favor 7970M). Am i wrong? And of course the 680 has a nice OC potential, comparable to 7970M, but a much better cooling system, or runs cooler at least, and amuch better switchable support via drivers (atm enduro is a joke, while Optimus is fully optimized).

    If i had to buy the card now honestly maybe ill still take the 7970M if i had an Alienware or HM Clevo, but if i could afford the +300 USD id really take the 680M, cause to me paying 1700 USD for a achine that doesn t work as intended is horrible. Im not saying it s Clevo or AMD or anyone else's fault, im just explaining my pov.

    Back on topic the 680M is a very nice card dude, congrats :)
     
    james_het, Jul 5, 2012
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    OC Potential is totally random, can't just generalize like that. For me, on my 7970M for example, I run without any artifacting and issues at 950/1300, but some users see running at 1000/1400. So there will be many 680M users who can't OC well just as many who can.
     
    Zymphad, Jul 5, 2012
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  20. Kingpinzero

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    That's true, also drivers could hold back OC.
    Personally I can bench at 965/1500, but with latest beta im forced to step down my OC quite a lot for games.
    It depends on luck, cooling materials, card, drivers.
    Anyway thanks for the benchmark Hackness, I appreciate your hard work :) + rep!
     
    Kingpinzero, Jul 5, 2012
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  21. BlueFresh

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    Rather satisfying results shared so far - appreciate it

    I'm even more eagerly anticipating having an OC'd 680m now :cool:

    Will also be powered w/ a 3920xm, OC'd - 4.1ghz, quad

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    ETA ~2 weeks *sigh*
     
    BlueFresh, Jul 5, 2012
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  22. hackness

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    No, not in games, I get stable fps in all the games I have tested so far. It's just furmark even heaven 3.0 doesn't throttle. They hate Furmark I take it :D
     
    hackness, Jul 5, 2012
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    Just out of curiosity; how would the 680m OC'd overall performance compare to current high-end desktop GPU's?

    Would it be fair to compare it with the GTX 670?

    Thanks in advance.

    Edit: lol noticed there is a huge memory difference with GTX 670 actually.. over 4gbs
     
    BlueFresh, Jul 5, 2012
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  24. hackness

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    No it won't reach GTX670's level(3Dmark11 is around 8000~10k depend on the make), GTX580 at most.
     
    hackness, Jul 5, 2012
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    GTX 580 in specs isn't too bad..

    Appreciate the prompt response
     
    BlueFresh, Jul 5, 2012
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    BF3 stock clocks, temperature hackness. We haven`t found out how hot this GPU run without overclock yet :)
     
    Cloudfire, Jul 5, 2012
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  27. hackness

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    It's around 70C right now after 1hr of playing, I'll post at 2hr into the game.
     
    hackness, Jul 5, 2012
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    Awesome :D
     
    Cloudfire, Jul 5, 2012
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    OK BF3 temp at stock clock after 2hr of gaming in 3 maps: Caspian boarder/Gulf of Oman/Operation Metro.

    Room got a little warm tho.

    [​IMG]
     
    hackness, Jul 5, 2012
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    Room temperature please!
     
    Blacky, Jul 5, 2012
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  31. hackness

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    Around 25.
    10chars
     
    hackness, Jul 5, 2012
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    Many thanks hackness. Another rep earned.

    hmmm, the room temperature seems to affect the GPU temperature greatly.

    Yesterday you tried BF3 out with your max overclock. And you got Max 67 degree celsius, 8 degree lower than today. With a massive overclock...

    [​IMG]
     
    Cloudfire, Jul 5, 2012
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  33. aduy

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    well since the 680m is the gtx 670 but downclocked, i think it depends on how close you can get to the clocks of the 670m, and btw guys overclocked memory is much less important than you would think. on bf3 maxed on my 485m, i can underclock my memory to 1254 mhz from 1500 and still only get 60% useage of the (mcu). now where this larger bandwidth comes handy is when you have multiple displays.
     
    aduy, Jul 5, 2012
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  34. Blacky

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    It doesn't matter. At those temps I can OC that card to get at least 10% more out of it. I am talking about permanent OCs, not those wannabe-be OCs done just for benching.
     
    Blacky, Jul 5, 2012
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  35. hackness

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    I think th 67C is because it was only a 30min session plus the room temp here is around 18-20 at night.
     
    hackness, Jul 5, 2012
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    Woah, just so you know the GTX670 runs at around 1.175V, so 0.98 is a HUGE reduction. These are some nice cores.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jul 5, 2012
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  37. hackness

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    Thanks for the rep hehe.

    GTX680M has 4 voltage and they all are present:0.9870v/0.962v/0.862v/0.8370v

    0.962v = throttle mode, comfirmed with Furmark.
     
    hackness, Jul 5, 2012
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    FFXIV does not work with any 6X0 card desktop or laptop. It took forever to get nvidia to fix it on the 580's :(

    It's a shame because I am looking to upgrade to the 680m for FFXIV!

    EDIT: Hey Hackness what server do you play on FXIV? I tried to send you a PM but you disabled it :(
     
    oni222, Jul 5, 2012
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    Yeah seems like a reasonable explanation. Either way it runs cooler than GTX 580M. Do you remember what temperatures you got with your 675M when gaming with BF3? :)
     
    Cloudfire, Jul 5, 2012
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    Not only does it run cooler than the 580M, in some places it costs less than that GPU as well. My 680M has been shipped now, I look forward to it.
     
    LaptopNut, Jul 5, 2012
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    That's not a big deal, everything that's mobile throttles. Even the mobile CPUs.
     
    Zero989, Jul 5, 2012
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    wow, i don't understand why they put throttle around75°c, it's very cold,
    my previous M17x with 280mgtx and 5870m usually got higher than 85°c, and they're still working :S

    they're should be a nice boost without this throttling issue :S
     
    vince207gti, Jul 5, 2012
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    Only Furmark throttles. All the games play just fine with the max overclock

    680M SLI, fastest XM CPU and 2 480GB SSDs in RAID. Nice notebook you have ordered vince :D

    Yeah its crazy considering its 45%+ faster than 580M. I didn`t see that coming. Looking forward to your experience with the 680M LaptopNut. I know a lot of forum members are getting it the next days. HTWingNut tomorrow :)
     
    Cloudfire, Jul 5, 2012
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    80~85C for a 30min BF3 session on the GTX675M.
     
    hackness, Jul 5, 2012
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    Wow so it runs 10 degree celsius if not more below 580M. Mighty impressive
     
    Cloudfire, Jul 5, 2012
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  46. hackness

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    I think I might add a fan cable spliter and add a 3V micro fan to exhaust the air from the hole above the vrams, shouldn't be a problem as it only uses 0.01W.
     
    hackness, Jul 5, 2012
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    hackness, Jul 5, 2012
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    Wow just... wow

    +1 great job really

    I can only imagine overvolting this
     
    jaug1337, Jul 5, 2012
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    I am wondering why nvidia didn't increase the core clocks, so far we have seen three results in which the GTX 680m can reach 800 easily and it has low temps, and the the power comsumption should still be around the same since the voltage hasn't change, i believe not sure about the last statement that i made.


    EDIT: last statment is wrong, forgot about looking at some desktop cards overclock wattage going up after increasing clocks, my bad.
     
    Killerinstinct, Jul 5, 2012
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    Throttle will be TDP rated rather than temp related.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jul 5, 2012
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