P150EM upgrade GPU to GTX 1060

I only got the Prema v2 for Clevo P150 series, tried searching for it too but no luck, someone with the P151EM and the Prema bios for it or contact Prema himself on this forum.

 

Surely that is up to the author?

 

Is the p150em bios compatible with the 151?

 

Yes, though not officially

 

So i could just flash the P150em bios onto my 151 without any troubles or negative sideeffects?

If so, could @SMGJohn send me the necesarry files for that? I would really appreciate it

 

Sorry I have not seen your comment, sometimes I do not get emails like I should when someone quote me.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B--4T1M4u4uSMXBxTWVTdjdfQVE/view?usp=sharing
Here it is, just please for Gods sake keep the original BIOS on a USB pen in case you need to blind flash in case it goes wrong.

 

Thanks pal, just one last question, does this bios enable CPU control features within the bios or is XTU / ThrottleStop required?

 

No, the BIOS is very minimalist, there absolutely no hardware settings in there so you sadly have to do everything by software.

 

Thanks for the info and the link

 

We tested both 1060 and 1070 in P150EM and can't get system to switch to dGPU. It gets stuck on iGPU. We will try few more things next week. Gtx 1060 and 1070 works in P570WM and P370SM3 models - both equipped with 120Hz eDP panels. Our 1070 is standard mxm3 size 82x105mm card.

 

Which GTX1060 do you use on the P150EM?
The MSI card works for me and switches between iGPU and dGPU just fine.

Also I been interested in the Radeon Rx 480 MXM3.0b that you guys have coming, but does it work on Clevo? And when is it potentially coming?

 

We tested with MSI card /vbios. What is your setup / bios/ drivers /OS etc?

We have both RX480 and RX580 standard MXM3 82x105mm size in stock. We get thermal shutdown when either of these cards is installed. If you would like to test please contact our Support Team and refer to MXM3 GPU Testing Program.

 

I have UEFI Wndows 8.1 Pro x64 installed.
BIOS is Prema V2 of course, the vBIOS for the MSI one is very strange as I acquired it from Aliexpress. 86.06.19.00.08 is the vBIOS for MSI GeForce GTX 1060N 6GB.
Its clearly different from MSI's vBIOS and its not Gsync vBIOS and while the card is reported as 80W TDP, mine is definitely using over 125 - 150W TDP because my Asus power adapter keeps cutting off when the card gets put under heavy loads, while my older M290X did not do this despite being a power hungry 100W TDP GPU.

If you go to page 9 in this thread you can see the data I got from the card when testing it in various benchmarking tools, including picture of the GPU before I installed it.

I have acquired a "sapphire" Radeon Rx 480 8GB MXM3.0b from Taobao its a black card which may be MSI but I am not sure its just that the seller is slow as damn to ship anything according to other customers, so I am still waiting to receive mine, I would definitely test yours though to see if they would work.

 

The AMD GPU's can't communicate with Clevos EC as far as I can gather, so it's basicially not possible unless some magic happens with custom EC firmwares. I don't really see it happen tho, so I guess
Clevo users are stuck with Nvidia for now :/

The pascal cards are a bit weird sometimes, they require specific Nvidia drivers to work 100% on some clevo notebooks, you could maybe fix the compatibility issue with modding the vBios fixing the issue which the newer GPU drivers don't fix. Once I scrap enough money together in around 2 months and get myself a pascal card (probably from woodstock, unless I find something cheaper), I'll let you know how to make it work, once I figured out why it does behave on certain ways.

 

Both MSI and Clevo AMD cards work fine on Clevo's however Dell cards will never work in Clevo's be it nVidia or AMD because like you said they cannot communicate with the EC very well.
Which is why I am interested in Eurocoms cards, they may not be Dell cards but something else, I found a black PCB AMD Rx 480 from China, Dell never use black PCB boards only MSI does from my knowledge.

 

You're wrong with the AMD cards, as the Eurocom Supporter was writing, they have the exact same issues with their AMD cards not communicating with the EC causing a shutdown after 30seconds or so.

he litterally wrote this:

You even quoted it yourself, which kinda baffles me :'D

 

We can customize VBIOS on our AMD cards but the issue is more likely related to EC and thermal sensors. We may consider disabling thermal sensors for testing so at least we can complete testing.

 

Woduln't disabling thermal sensors cause exacly the same issue?

 

I can confirm that MSI 1060 is working in my P150EM with Prema mod v2 (EC11 Bios17):

tested with vbios 86.06.19.00.08, 86.06.44.00.08, 86.06.1F.00.05 (this last one is MSI Gsync).
I modified the Nvidia drivers 385.41 and 385.69 for Win10 x64, by editing nvcvi.inf with the following strings:

%NVIDIA_DEV.1C60.5105.1558% = Section136, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1C60&SUBSYS_51051558 (under [NVIDIA_Devices.NTamd64.10.0...14310])

%NVIDIA_DEV.1C60.5105.1558% = Section135, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1C60&SUBSYS_51051558 (under [NVIDIA_Devices.NTamd64.10.0])

NVIDIA_DEV.1C60.5105.1558 = "NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060"

The modified drivers installed without problems after I disabled driver signature enforcement in Windows 10.
In order to set what card to use I just need to open the Nvidia Control Panel.

 

Hold on, this is actually interesting. You flashed a non G-Sync vBios then later a G-Sync vBios onto the same card and it didn't brick?
Also by "In order to set what card..." you mean it doesn't automaticly switch from dGPU to iGPU?

 

zotac cards use black pcb, so your amd card could come from a zotac magnus

 

I think all the vbios I have are G-Sync (1C60), is there a proper way to check?
The 86.06.1F.00.05 vbios is the official MSI one for GT72vr.

For the switch, if I want to force iGPU or dGPU I can set it in Nvidia Control Panel.
Automatic switch also works but with some software I prefer manual settings.

 

As far as I know the GTX 1060 is a gsync only card which can turn it off, but I'm not 100% sure.

 

That is still a software switch of course, the optimus is still in use when you do that.

 

Exactly, the only "problem" I have with Optimus is that the 1060 never "power off" when not in use (as opposed to the old 680m), it keeps idle frequency for both gpu and vram, generating some heat.

 

I wonder if they changed the wake signal behaviour some.

 

They still have not shipped the card so I can only wait to tell, the pictures used are pretty low res, Taobao wont release the money until I received the product anyway so.

 

Eurocom may let me test their Rx 480 and Rx 580 in my Clevo P150 and an Alienware M17x R2 so its good news for you guys if they let me test them, if they work it would be great for us who prefer using AMD GPU's for their features and better colour reproduction.

 

Here are some of GTX 1070 test results in P150EM. 230W AC Adapter is required for GTX 1070 as the card is running at 150W. VGA heatsink needs to be modified too.

 

Those are some scary heats, but I actually wonder how the 1060 is if you boost it from 80W to 100W TDP via vBIOS hack.
What exactly needs to be modified on the heatsink? Do you have any examples?
Also what model 230W adapter works for the P150?

 

I hope, what is the expected price?

 

The graphicsscore is way to low, even the stock 1060 manages over 14.5k. You probably need to adjust some things in the EM, which BIOS did it run?

Now this peaks my interest, how are the temps on the 1070? And how does that modded heatsink look like? I'm interested in getting a better GPU cooling solution on my notebook as well. If you got something that can even keep a 1070 cool, then saying I'm interested is an understatement.

 

Please contact our Sales Team for more details related to upgrades and heatsinks mods. We will post some pics on our website too and do upgrade video once all testing is done.

 

Will do! Thanks for the update

 

Yeah I noticed how hot the 1070 gets and scores so poorly for a 1070 that I personally think that people should just stick to the 1060 on the P150EM, as you can jump the TDP to 100 - 115W and it maybe overclock it a little as you get a lot of headroom, mine got 60 degrees at its hottest and never above, which leaves a lot of headroom to play with, the 1070 wont let you have any headroom.
I will do a TDP increase when I get the equipment and see how much more I can push this card.

 

Keep me updated on the results. I'm getting myself a pascal as well at the start of the next month and would want to know if a TDP increase is worth it or not.

 

Im really interested in how the 1070 performs on the p370sm3, are we going to get bench stats and heat temps on it soon?

Edit: Has the 1060 been tested on the p370sm3? Would like to see stats on that as well, can't seem to find one.

 

While this is a P370EM master GPU ram/vram heatsink, if the P150EM heatsink is similar then the areas in red are what would need to be ground down to fit

Certainly it's what would be needed if this card is put into a P370EM

Also, the ridge up the back doesn't completely contact the VRMs. I have this same issue with my MSI 1070's. What I did was cut two sections of thermal pads of different thickness (I think from memory it's about a 2mm strip of 4mm thick pad, and 4mm strip of 2mm thick but goddammit I should have taken a pic when I had it apart on the weekend!) and make sure the whole surface area of every VRM was covered. Very important if you intend to TDP mod.

 

Guys could somebody send me the vbios for msi 1060 mxm from gt62/72 vr, which will be compatible with clevo P170EM please?
And question, is it possible to flash the vortex 1060 directly by clevo p170em?

 

You shouldn't need a specific vbios for the P170EM.

Try with the stock one first, if you need another version send me a message.

 

hello.i have a p150em with v3b bios. I want to buy a Dell k3000m or an msi 290m. which one is supported to my laptop? I need a vbios flashing?

 

Yes you need proper VBIOS for your system. We have complete upgrade kits available for P150EM so please check with our Sales Team.

 

Eurocom any chance we could get some benchmarks of your 1060 and 1070 cards in this laptop, I don't mind spending extra for a 1070, the modded heatsink and a new power brick if it has noticeably better performance but if it just throttles the whole time then I think I will just go with the 1060.

Also, odd question, if I buy a 1060 or 1070 and in a few months this 5 year old laptop bursts in to flames or whatever, could I send the 1070 back, get it put in a new Sky X4C and save myself buying another vid card with that laptop purchase?

Thanks for your time

 

The GTX 1060 runs cool. I don't know about the GTX 1070 tho.

 

Or just go to the msi downloads page

https://us.msi.com/Laptop/support/GT62VR-Dominator-6th-Gen-GTX-1060.html#down-firmware

You'll have to know for sure if your 1060 is a G-SYNC or non G-SYNC card.

 

I bought a 1070 and a 230w brick for my P150EM and have found something very odd with the benchmarks of the 1060 and 1070 cards, specifically firestrike and 3dm11.

While I was running 3DMark 11 I noticed that the fps for all the GPU tests finished right under 60FPS, reran the test and watched it, its at 59.x the entire time. Tested the same thing on firestrike, same results, overall score is about the same as you see on most of these laptops, slight variation for cpu and ram speed.

GTX 1070, 32GB 2166mhz, cpu @ 4.3Ghz
Fiestrike graphics score 13648 https://www.3dmark.com/fs/14926022

For a comparison, here is my GTX 1080TI desktop when I force gsync on and set it to 60hz
Firestrike graphics score 13757 https://www.3dmark.com/fs/14925878

Now here is where things get a bit odd, the GPU utilization on the 1070 is at nearly 100%, so it is rendering the frames, the 1080 I gsync locked was a lot lower, which makes sense. I have done the same tests with 3dm11, compared it to 1060 tests and see the same thing.
On Heaven benchmark, in a window, it peaked at over 200FPS on extreme but when I ran it full screen 1080p at lower settings it reported 59.7FPS
Timespy was fine but it can't hit 60FPS anyways https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/25161361?
VRMark orange room was fine, averaging 171FPS (also in a window, starting to see a pattern here) https://www.3dmark.com/vrpor/202133

My best guess is that our laptop in full screen mode somehow dumps any frames from reporting if they exceed the refresh rate. I would love to test this but my vive isn't going to work though optimus and my only other display above 60hz needs a dual link display port, ours is single. I did spend a few hours trying to get the intel hd 4000 to overclock, or even run a valid timing at lower res both on internal and external displays, but it just doesn't work. Intel app just complains that the setting is over the max bandwidth, CRU just does nothing. If I had a DP to DVI dual link 120Hz adapter it might change these results. Would love to see someone with a 120hz DP monitor test this.

All tests done on Nvidia 390.77 and Intel 15.33.46.4885

230w brick topped out at around 220w from the wall and idles around 35w. That is input, not output, so there is still headroom there. I can grab a multimeter and amp clamp from work if anyone wants me to work out actual DC input wattage and approximate efficiency but if nobody cars, I won't bother making up a test cable.

I wish there was better info on the dGPU direct output that Khenglish got working, it needed both a custom bios and a custom vbios from prema. Shame, this thing would do VR quite well.

Let me know if anyone wants any clarifications or other tests

 

100% usage does not actually mean what people think it does basically.

With 3dmark 11 you have to run it stretched or something similar or the scores will be lower due to a quirk with the program.

 

Can you test Unigine Heaven benchmark and monitor the temps on the card if possible?

 

Same problem here...
win10
win7
Physics Score is also lowwer.

 

can someone tell me what the difference is for the MSI vbios
2016-10-25
86.06.2A.00.0B

vs
eurocom 86.06.19.00.08
unknown date


non-gsync