P955ER throttling

I'll upload the video soon.

 

Here comes.



Feast your eyes on an hour of gameplay. As I said, no throttling was encountered.

That's the gameplay with the default "Max Q" fan preset.

 

And extra notes:

I have applied an undervolt of 100mV for the following domains via the unlocked BIOS:

(a). Core

(b). Uncore

(c). GT UnSlice

(d). GT Slice

Followed by an AVX offset of 1.

Higher undervolts result in a watchdog-related BSOD on Windows 10 (and MCE errors on Linux).

Some users, citing Junky, have been able to push further (-120mV) but only when undervolting the core domain: https://www.glj.io/reviews/eurocom-q6-review-i7-8750h-gtx-1070-max-q/

I've also disabled the XTU interface in the BIOS options which prevents sudden bursts of fan activity. I prefer predictable fan curves.

 

Literally 1 minute into the video and I see how the CPU is breaking down.

The further it goes into the game the more unstable does the CPU gets. The notebook is at its absolute limit, I have never seen clockspeeds flucuating this much ever, there are places where the GPUwould flucuate between 127x to 14xx.

I'll give you that, your GPU doesn't throttle as hard as the one from Notebookcheck, however you got a severe CPU problem instead. Which is quite interesting to see really. Even in your first witcher 3 video it did go beserk, but not like that.

Have you tried streamin with that notebook??

 

And now, similar gameplay but with a 25% fan offset applied to the Automatic preset.



And once again, no throttling observed.

Also, take a look at the thermals. At no point in this game have I encountered anything close to 98 degrees C on the processor. Take the undervolt mentioned above into account.

 

Yeah the temps are indeed fine, but that CPU is going out of control, it sometimes even disables turbo completely.

 

I'll take a look at these clocks again.

 

I'm yet to try streaming with it. Will give it a go tomorrow in the afternoon. It's 0440 a.m here. Will be heading to bed soon.

 

Despite AC:O being much more demanding the notebook maintained a stable 3914mhz clockspeed without budging an inch, this is how it's supposed to look like. Ignore the GPU clockspeed, there is no way on this planet that you can get ur maxq to be as stable due to its being a nerfed 1070.

This is still odd tho, why is your doing CPU throttling and the one from NBR goes on the GPU? Maybe Eurocom did something on later revisions.

 

There's an additional setting I toggled on in the BIOS: An AVX offset of 1.

Are AVX offsets generally recommended when you need to maintain a stable clock rate under load?

 

Not sure what the AVX offset is, however AVX is rarely used, only thing I can come up with that uses AVX are emulators or VM machines. Games don't use AVX so I'm sure it has nothing to do with it. At this point it likely the EC messing with your CPU.

You can test this by installing XTU, open witcher 3, play the game, tab out of witcher 3, start XTU stresstest for 5 minutes, tab back into game, if the clockspeeds are going down the toilet then you pretty much confirmed that this is caused by the EC.

 

Could @Dennismungai use ThrottleStop to set Speed Shift - EPP manually o 255 to keep the clocks at max frequency and see if it can mantain it? I've seen CPU clocks going up and down in games that doesn't stress it that much (i.e. CS:GO).

 

We are talking about witcher 3 here, look at the stress on the CPU. He can obviolsy try but I doubt it will do anything.

 

So, the problem is not the Clevo itself but the reseller then?

Why is you thread not titled "Eurocom is lowballing on the PSU" ?

 

Follow the thread, it's a clevo issue. The issue perssists in all the P95x notebooks, some have different throttling tho (some are throttling CPU before the GPU and others the other way round).

I've linked the shenker version and it has the same throttling issues. Prema also confirmed that the P95x is generally EC limited by quite a bit.

The one from dennis also has a 150W PSU, but runs around 1200 -1400 in witcher 3, but the CPU suffers being clocked from base clock to turbo back and forth.

It would be interesting to see if a bigger PSU would solve the issue or at least do something to improve it. Sadly since Prema mentioned the EC lmiitations I doubt a 180W PSU would bring any difference to the table, so we are at a loss here.

 

I actually did follow the thread and even after your claims that it's a Clevo issue some people proved their units were good.

So far it seems pretty much on the reseller shoulders to send a good machine. @GenTechPC was mentionned here earlier for having a flawless machine and yet, you didn't comment anything on that.

I appreciated when you tried to help me with my laptop, but every single times I end up in a Clevo thread, I also find you bashing it which I don't understand why because, like every other brands, there's some good and some ****ty machines.

As far as I'm concerned, after owning an Eurocom laptop, I can confirm that their QC is **** and that's being polite.

It doesn't mean that the Sky X4C I had was a bad Clevo, it was a bad Eurocom laptop, with a failed paste job and also a crippled "unlocked bios".

 

Also, a 150 minute stress test conducted with superposition:



On the same machine.

 

@Danishblunt

When clevo is bashed he is leading the frontlines.

When clevo is praised he disappears with the wind.

He is generalizing his 2 bad experiences with clevo for every other clevo laptop out there.

 

Well, I'm not saying Clevo are perfect, but I do believe alot of problems come from resellers.

I don't recall someone buying a Clevo from HID and having as much problems as people from Eurocom for example.

 

You have to take negative publicity with a grain of salt, too. It's a natural inclination to pay attention to unfavorable feedback (e.g. confirmation bias).

 

And more performance stats:

1. Superposition benchmark 1080p high vs extreme:

2. Superposition benchmark 720p low vs 1080p medium:

3. Superposition benchmark 4k optimized vs 8k optimized:

4. Battlefield 4 gameplay:

All clips have thermal, power draw, and processor+GPU clocks provided via the MSI afterburner overlay.

 

It might take a while for the BF4 video to be available in full HD (still processing).

So far, here are the changes I made to the Eurocom Q6 as far as BIOS settings go:

I had to undervolt all the domains, ie:

(a). Core
(b). Uncore.
(c). GT Slice
(d). GT Unslice

By an offset of -100mV.

Anything lower than that results in Watchdog-related BSODs on Windows and MCE errors on Linux.

In the BIOS, I also disabled BLCK binning and power efficient P-states (to prevent the effects of Thermal Velocity Boost's dips to base clock under sudden load).

I also disabled the XTU interface to prevent the XTU components in Clevo Control Center from messing up the ACPI fan tables. This way, I get a predicatble fan curve on both automatic and Max-Q fan profiles without unnecessary tweaking.

See the shots of the BIOS settings below:

(a). The OC menu:



(b). Core domain undervolt:



(c). Ring down bin is disabled:



(d). GT slice and unslice domain undervolting:



(e). Uncore domain undervolting:



(f). And the XMP profile for the RAM is enabled by default in this BIOS:



Some reviewers, such as Junky, were able to go as low as -120mV with ease on the undervolt. However, he confirmed that he undervolted the core only.

 

@Dennismungai how do you get these options in the BIOS?

 

Its at least a partially unlocked one.

 

Eurocom uses a partially unlocked bios on the Q6.

 

@XMG , @Meaker@Sager
any update on the throttling issue ?

Update : this seems to be the cause

 

What if you install the CCC 2.0 build from Obsidian Updater?

I realized that the drivers issued directly by Eurocom had significant performance issues (Even the Soundblaster Connect couldn't run properly, the touchpad driver was a dumpster fire and the CCC was laggy, to say the least).

 

*~40 bad experiences with different models from all sorts of clevo notebooks from different customers, all raging from extremely odd throttling behaviour, bad heastink fit, fan profile issues, thermal issues and extremely bad support from certain resellers.

If you want to buy the P955ER be my guest. As already Dennis is showcasing, for some reason his CPU goes apes***. Go defend that while you're at it.
Not to mention the close to 90c on playing Bf4, imagine him streaming while playing, easy thermal throttle.

@ Dennismungai
Do you happen to have Assassins Creed Origins? I'd love to see how that game would run, it seems to be the most demanding title thus far.

 

Yes. I can install it anytime and test.

I doubt so. Shadowplay's impact on recording + streaming should be about the same.

 

Shadowplay is recording via GPU not CPU to my knowledge, if you stream you use mainly the CPU for that, otherwise the picture quality will be awful.

Nice, can you install AC:O and test? I'd love to see how that one works on the notebook since its a game that stresses both the GPU and CPU to insane degree.

 

Will do.

Got capacity for it

 

And another small request here! Tell me once you played quite a bit, how the game is, would maybe go for it but wanted to know if it suffers from the same repetitive gameplay as the first AC games suffered from

 

I only have issue with its' control scheme. It takes a bit to get used to, and vertical movement (climbing, etc) has been greatly gimped compared to other assassins creed titles.

 

And combat's also been majorly revamped.

 

And I think I've finally found this laptop's thermal limits.

Battlefield 1.

The CPU remains at a near constant 90 degrees, and runs just a bin lower than the maximum turbo @ 6 cores.

Uploading video soon.

 

How is it compared to AC IV: Black Flag?

 

AC IV: Black Flag's combat is very, very easy compared to what you'll see in AC:Origins.

 

I figured as much, I think overwatch and AC origins will actually destroy your CPU while the latter will likely destroy both GPU and CPU, still you make me wanna play AC:O more and more :3

(destroy in a sense that it will give even more throttling and unstable speeds than you already have)

 

I've read nothing but good things about the game so far. BF was rather simplistic, so the change sounds like a good one.

 

Here is battlefield 1 gameplay.

Watch and weep at the thermals.



On the Eurocom Q6.

 

Battlefield does load all the cores pretty well along with heavy you loads so it's always a good universal heavy system load.

 

AC:Origins testing will follow soon.

 

I'm surprised that at these temps, the processor never dips below its' base clock and the GPU retains full performance.

For the first time, I saw a game break the 1070 Max-Q's 66 degrees ceiling on this laptop.

AC rigins will most likely be a literal dumpster fire on this hardware.

 

It looks similair to the BF 4 video. I'm actually starting to get scared of your AC:O video at this point *shivers*

Also your processor should actually look like this clockwise:

 

Woke up this morning hyped to crank up the game on this system and it crashes on startup.

Perfect. Bloody perfect.

 

This game is super sensitive to overlays.

The only way I can get this to run is if I disable both Steam's and the GeForce Experience overlays.

And MSI afterburner wants it dead, too.

 

Open Rivatuner and turn on Custom Direct3D support

 

Let me try that.

 

Nope, no luck. Still crashes on launch.

Opening a ticket with Ubisoft.

 

Apparently gsync crashes on the game for some reason. Did you try turn that off?

also try starting the game and then launch Afterburner while everything is loaded and ready.