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    PREMA BIOS MOD Review

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by HTWingNut, Jun 1, 2012.

  1. ha1o2surfer

    ha1o2surfer Notebook Evangelist

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    I installed it and it worked, not sure why I even try now. I have long forgot getting more than 3 hours of battery life on this laptop. The pros outweigh the cons, IMO
     
  2. HTWingNut

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    Are you saying you get more than 3 hours battery life? You installed ME drivers just fine? This is the error I get when trying to install the ME drivers from Prema's site:

    [​IMG]

    I am having some issues finding newer versions at Intel's site.
     
  3. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    Something wrong with the ME, try to reflash it.

    To re-flash same version you have to change the FlashME.bat command from "fwupdlcl -F 81301350.BIN" to "fwupdlcl -F 81301350.BIN -ALLOWSV"
     
  4. Rauch

    Rauch Notebook Consultant

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    I'm debating trying the latest ME Driver once again.

    Last time I gave it an attempt on Win8, it crashed my system to the point I had to reformat. Some random BSOD and after it happened twice, Win 8 locked me out... I'm not quite sure why the hell that happens, but it's making me consider swapping back to Win 7.

    On a side note:

    Is there any possibility that you'll be adding the ability to turn UEFI on/off without enabling OS select? Also the ability to boot from EFI & standard devices simultaneously? I do recall Mythlogic doing it for me when I had upgraded to the latest firmware from Schenker. If you'd like to see the modified version to assist you in adding it to the W1xx series, I'll gladly toss it your way. I'm not too sure if other models could benefit from this as well.

    As for a quick question... I'm using the 2.1OV edition and my GPU is only running at 835mhz. Do I have to manually set it to overclock it to the [email protected]? I've been sitting too much on the XDA forums lately messing with my phone and tablet to the point my brain is shot. :D
     
  5. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    Sure, but please enlighten me! Why would you not just flip the Win8 switch, what's the advantage in keeping them separate?

    Oh xda, yaeh it's easy to create a flashing/modding addiction over there... ;)
     
  6. Rauch

    Rauch Notebook Consultant

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    Bah... Apparently the download link is down. -.-

    Anyway... What they had done was enabled EFI by default, leaving the OS Select optional. (I, myself, don't keep OS select on other. I dual boot with Arch Linux, so I have secure boot disabled. I don't know why I have it set to other... Not sure if it even matters to be honest. I'll have to check it out.)

    Back to the topic: By enabling EFI by default, you don't need to swap between BIOS & EFI mode to boot from a specific device. For example, with the modification, you'd be able to plug in a USB device and you'd have two options for that device: USBHDD1 as well as EFI: USBHDD1. (It'd be the same for DVD's/CD's/etc.)

    As the BIOS stands now, to perform an upgrade, I'd have to restart, disable EFI, reboot, run the batch file, reboot, re-enter bios to re-enable EFI, and reboot once more.
     
  7. ha1o2surfer

    ha1o2surfer Notebook Evangelist

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    I get less than 3 hours :thumbsup: but yeah, they installed just fine and the software version reflects it when I go to install an older copy. I couldn't find a change log for this version though, anyone have it?
     
  8. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    Oh, OK that makes sence. Will add it in the next release then....
     
  9. mardon

    mardon Notebook Deity

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    Finally purchased one of these little beasts. Its got a 3720QM ES chip will this be supported in Bios for overclocking since its not a standard 3720QM? It does have an unlocked multi.
     
  10. HTWingNut

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    AS usual, Prema's hard at work got me straightened out. Now I just need an i7-3740QM to test out all the features on my P150EM. :)
     
  11. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    The W11 v1.5 mod has all CPU Microcodes "since the beginning of time" updated to their latest releases, so it should at least work there

    (The v2.1 I left stock as they are not yet finished with pushing 2.x updates)
     
  12. mardon

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    Ok, received the laptop today and updated with your latest (non windows 8) BIOS. I've changed the RAM settings to 1600 up form 1333 but cant seem to find where to overclock the CPU. I can see two different settings for the CPU but nowhere to select 36-36-36-36?

    Ooops sorted it 38-38-38-38 straight off! TSbench 7.738 for 8 threads! NICE!

    I tried to set an XME profile on the RAM and now the laptop wont boot, (not even a splash screen). How do I do a CMOS rest?

    Found it.. haha was worried for a moment there!
     
  13. Support.1@XOTIC PC

    Support.1@XOTIC PC Company Representative

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    Just take the Cmos battery out, looks like a watch battery on the board, and leave it unplugged for about half an hour I think usually does the trick. Press the power button a few times while the battery is out and unplugged to completely discharge the machine.
     
  14. mardon

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    It was actually a little lead I had to pull out. Apparently rhe Geil 1300 RAM thats in there isn't the best. Will boot at 1600 but error's when I run a benchmark. Perhaps I should lower the timings?
     
  15. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    Just set "N Mode Support" to 2N... ;)
     
  16. HTWingNut

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    Prema -

    For W110ER what is the UOV version?
     
  17. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    UOV EDITION has all clocks undervolted just like the UV EDITION, but the 3D Turbo voltage is overvolted just like the OV EDITION.
    So essentially you get the power savings and heat reduction of the UV and the Overclocking potential of the OV all in one. :)
     
  18. HTWingNut

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    Awesome... going in my W110ER this weekend then! SOLD! Lol.

    Downloaded and installed. For some reason even with higher clocks than about 9 months ago, I still can't beat this score: 3DMark 11 P3268 http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...p6110-clevo-w110er-first-look-review-102.html

    I am running GPU 1320MHz, vRAM 1180MHz, CPU (i7-3610QM) Throttlestop 3.1GHz and still only about 3150... hmmm. In any case still impressive to reach that score which is about the same as a 670m (at 192-bit even).
     
  19. ha1o2surfer

    ha1o2surfer Notebook Evangelist

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    I can't get above 2600 no matter what I do. If I use the OUV bios stock clocks causes artifacts and eventual crashing of the driver. It's very strange, I can get higher clocks on the UOV version as long as I keep the temps down.
     
  20. HTWingNut

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    Odd, because my GPU temps don't exceed 80C even at 1320MHz core. The other odd thing is that I had trouble running 3DMark11 above 1295MHz Core until I used Throttlestop to bump my CPU, then I could reach 1320MHz core without a problem, which is very odd. My vRAM is limited to about 1180MHz.
     
  21. ha1o2surfer

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    If I enable Turbo while playing BioShock, my GPU temp may reach 80c (rarely does) on the UV Bios. On the OV Bios, temps are out of control for something that has the same overclock headroom (on my card) than the UV one does. That is just my card, though.
     
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    I just did another battery test and still not getting much more than 4 hours life. I thought this was improved with the latest EC, MEI, and BIOS? That is with a light browser load only, 30% brightness, power saver mode.

    But I'm confused again. The BIOS listed on biosmods.wordpress.com for W110ER has downloads for BIOS. Where to get the latest EC? What's best EC to use? When I download the W110ER Prema Mod 1.5 shouldn't that include everything I need?

    Here's my BIOS Screen version information:

    [​IMG]
     
  23. WulffM

    WulffM Notebook Consultant

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    For the w150er my score of 3518 is still at nr 1 :) yesterday i ran it again and got 3511 with the newest nvidia driver 320.0 think i used + 360 on the core and +1000 on the vram, TS was set at 29 for the multiplier. so not bad then

    3518: NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3610QM Processor,CLEVO CO. W150ER score: P3518 3DMarks
    3511: NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3610QM Processor,CLEVO CO. W150ER score: P3511 3DMarks

    both were done using the prema OV mod 2.1

    Cpu reached 82 degrees at max gpu 72.

    You guys have any idea why the cpy is so much higher then the gpu? or have any tips what i can do to lower that cpu till it reaches around the same levels as the gpu?. Not that 82-83 is that bad when im gaming or whatever but still a few degrees lower would be great. I already drilled some extra holes in the bottom and use a notepal u3 . but i wonder why that cpu is still fairly high.
     
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    High? That's low. You're not going to get any cooler than that.

    And hmm, i can go to 1300 boost on the core (+360) and about 1160 (+260) on the vRAM. How did you get +1000 on the vRAM? That's like an effective 3800MHz. :eek:
     
  25. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    you have a DDR3 W11 he has a DDR5 W15...

    Regarding EC, I merged it into the BIOS to keep it easy.
     
  26. Razyre

    Razyre Notebook Evangelist

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    4 hours is a godsend XD

    I get 2 most of the time, no joke. No idea what the hell is going on with my system. 4 would be great for me lol.
     
  27. HTWingNut

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    Ok, awesome. You amaze me Prema. More PayPal inbound as soon as I get money transferred to my account. :)
     
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    For those that love guides and could manage to brick a toaster...

    We would install the ME software first then install the BIOS update which includes the EC firmware next?

    I'm getting the EC and ME firmware confused. They are one and the same?

    I was going to update to the UOV from the UV and update the ME so wanted to do it right.

    Thx
     
  29. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    Prefered but not required in this order:

    - ME firmware
    - EC
    - BIOS
    - Windows ME driver

    The only important part is EC before BIOS, but since I merged them there is really nothing that anyone could do wrong as long as you use the incl. ".bat" files to flash them.

    ENJOY! :)
     
  30. mardon

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    I was getting high temps and shut downs with the UOV bios, just uploaded the UV Bios and now my GPU temps doesn't exceed 70C (Bottom off and laptop cooler) and im still getting +180 core and +130 memory! Very impressed.
    Thanks so much!
     
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    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    Now that's a low voltage loving card! ENJOY :)
     
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    I've been trying the IGPU overclocking in the Bios and have the multi set to 26 and overclocking enabled. When I open GPU-Z it is saying the core is 650mhz stock or overclocked and thats with putting a load on it as well?
    Any ideas?
     
  34. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    maybe Install the latest iGPU driver...
     
  35. mardon

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    Pretty sure i've got it. Will have another look tonight.

    Just updated now. There is defo an improvement in games but GPU-Z is still showing 650mhz. I'm using version 0.7.0 has anyone else got the game problem?
     
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    Prema I love you... My W170 runs about 20 degrees C cooler on average now that I can control the fan with a simple command...

    Are you planning on working on a RAM OC edition for the 170/150? That would be amazing.

    Also is it possible to change the boot logo?
     
  37. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    I also had my iGPU being stuck on 2D clocks and pulling the PSU once while the system was on and putting it back re-freshed the power states and let it go into 3D clocks again. Also check how the system power mode and Clevo Control-Center is set...

    There is already a P170EM version that allows RAM OC via Intel XTU...I also have a stable P150EM beta which will be able to do the same... :hi2:
     
  38. mardon

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    Ok i'm still having no luck with this.On the MSI Kombustor GF OC Test (720) i'm getting around 2000 points. Can someone test and see what they get. I can't seem to get out of 2D clocks. I've ensured i'm plugged in and all power mods are set to maximum. I'm on the UV bios could this be causing it?
     
  39. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    Are you sure you have the Clevo Control Center into Performance mode?

    Start GPU-Z, run the Render Test in windowed mode. While it is running switch into Power Saving Mode and back to Performance...something got stuck in your driver.

    BTW: Just tested Haswell vBIOS on W11...well it bricks it...LOL :D
     
  40. mardon

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    Yeah tried both of those things already. Even tried flashing the standard voltage Bios and still no luck. Time to uninstall - re-install the Driver.. again. I'll use driver sweeper this time.

    Edit

    Well driver sweepers doesn't have intel options and it didn't work. Still stuck at 650mhz :( Good job i've got a 650m to fall back on!
     
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    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    I'll try that one now.
    I've also tried :GFX_Win7_64_8.15.10.2761 and Driver Revision: 15.31.3.64.3071
     
  43. mardon

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    Nope that didn't work ether. I'm wondering if its because i've got an engineers 3720QM? As it does have 8mb L3 unlike the standard 3270QM..

    It doesn't clock down ether.
     
  44. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    I am using these driver:

    Intel 9.18.10.3107
    Nvidia 320.14
    Clevo Hotkey 8.0111

    If that doesn't work...I put a few extra CPU ES microcode updates into PremaMod v1.5...
     
  45. mardon

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    Im on Clevo Hotkey 6.0045 i'll try and find a more up to date one now.
    I appreciate the help Prema. Hopefully someone else using 1.5 can report back if their iGPU is using Turbo.
     
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    Hey Prema, anything new coming to the W series? Specifically the W350ETQ? Let me know if u need testers, I would be happy to at least contribute a little to your efforts. So far I love the OV edition. Machine runs great and most importantly cool.

    Speaking of cool, as the weather gets warmer here in NE my fan speeds have increased a bit, which is expected. A month ago (on a pretty warm day) my fan hit full speed and began pulsating. I have read here that it is normal, is that true? The weird thing was that my temps didnt go over 67-68 internally. I haven't had a chance to get my AC out of my basement, but will undoubtedly do it soon. When the fan does that it is pretty annoying so I would prefer to avoid full speed if I can.
     
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    ::hi2:: Thanks Prema, but I wasn't referring to the P170EM, I was referring to the W170ER, just like with the BIOS Mod for the W110ER'

    Also I'm a bit confused, are the OV editions of the mod intended for OverVolting or ???
     
  48. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    I have some things on my list, but nothing too soon...yes pulsing is "normal" it's when the EC reads a temp where it would normally adjust the fans-peed and the FN+1 Function overwrites it to continue in full fan mode.

    OV EDITION overvolts the NVIDIA GPU for higher Overclocks and sorry I presumed you where using the P17.
    I could make a RAM OC version for W15/W17, but someone will have to test a downgrade...
     
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    I would volunteer but I'm very new to BIOS flashing, I'm afraid of bricking my system.

    Will the OV version allow me to achieve higher and stable core clocks?
     
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    With more heat yes. I go UV +210 Core to OV +360 Core But you're talking 10/15C sometimes 20C extra heat.

    UV Bios GPU load 60-Max70C (very rare) OV Bios GPU load 75-85 with power offs due to heat in some games. But the W110er is a much smaller machine than yours.
     
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