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    PowerSpec 1710 + 1510?

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by B0B, Oct 13, 2017.

  1. MrD1sturbed

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    Has anyone found a replacement AC Adapter for the 1710 yet? I want to get a 2nd so I don't have to tear apart my desk every time I want to take it with me.
     
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    It's stable. In the picture provided, you'll see the leg angles out if chosen as shown on the left leg lying flat. The lap top can rest on the legs with them both laid down or positioned upright as shown on the right. But, the way the air shoots out of this squirrel cage design, it kind of over shoots the back vent if used with the legs lying flat. In my opinion, best used with the legs in the upright position as the air goes directly at the open vent and under the laptop. But no wobble at all. But I wish it were longer, regardless. The amount of air that is pushed out of this fan is amazing and would be much better if the amount of air that is passing over my right hand, were going over my left hand and the WASD keys. the advert pictures aren't kidding, in close proximity it really would work as a one directional mini desk fan, that much air is being pushed out. Wish it were cheaper, but for $23 I really don't have any true complaints....just hope it lasts.
    [​IMG]
     
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  3. wolrah

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    I'm very tempted by the 1510, even though I really want Thunderbolt which it annoyingly lacks, but a 60Hz 1080p display is a hard sell for me even with G-Sync.

    I see that some other vendors offer the same chassis with 1080p120 or 4K60 options. Has anyone tried upgrading theirs to one of those panels, and if so are there any silly restrictions or is it basically plug-and-play with compatible parts?
     
  4. B0B

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    You can upgrade to an AUO 120 hz panel on that 1510


    I’ll get the part number for you when I get home.
     
  5. Canonfodder

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    I have the 1510 and I would tell anyone it is well worth the money.
    The panel is very easy to replace just pop of the front bezel remove a few screws and there you go, it has a LG Philips LP156WF6 DELL P/N: 3874 pretty standard match up the specs. I play on my external 50" flat panel tv at 1080p 120 but I really don't see much of an advantage or difference since it is really smooth regardless, maybe it is the games I play. I can do 4k as well on the same set but generally I dont. If you are expecting constant 60fps on ultra maybe you should think about spending 3 grand or so on an sli system.
     
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  7. nealios

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    Ive started to limit the fps at 60 on all games, and removed the overclock on the screen, it doesnt seem any brighter than when i had it 100hz
    well, together with the repaste and undervolt of -0.110mv (most stable for me)
    both cpu temps and gpu, never exceed 75c with everything maxed out, 2-3hr constant gaming sessions
    playing pubg, resi 7, subnautica,

    happy gamer :)
     
  8. Chris Hancock

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    I found this combo on Amazon that has been working great for me:

    19.5v 11.8a 230w power supply (for ASUS ROG): https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0118PPRBC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
    Tip connector converter: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00G700QQ0/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    Any 230W/19.5V/11.8A power brick with a 5.5x2.5mm tip should work but this was the cheapest I could find.
     
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  9. Chastity

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    Nice find on the plug adapter. :) The fun part is that you can now also consider a higher rated PSU if you are modding the voltages.
     
  10. wolrah

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    I play mostly older games, the sorts of things that my 970 in my desktop can generally hold 60 FPS in without an issue so the 1070 in this should have an even easier time. The way I look at it, if I'm going to have a G-Sync panel I'd rather have it support operating in a range where my framerates will actually be variable. For 1080p, that's north of 60 Hz.

    Between the two upgrades I listed though my actual preference would be higher resolutions over faster refresh rates. Ideally I'd actually like a 1440p panel but since those don't seem to be a thing in 15" sizes 4K is my next best choice.
     
  11. Chris Hancock

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    Thanks. Since I'm sharing, if anyone is having trouble using Windows Mixed Reality with the laptop lid closed, this did the trick:

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07545JBNP/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    One of the reasons I bought the 1510 was to make a backpack VR rig. When I first got everything set up, the Windows Mixed Reality (WMR) headset worked great with the laptop lid closed, but then stopped working properly (after an update I assume). Now, when you close the lid, the video on the WMR headset turns off. Basically, you have to have to trick Windows into thinking that there is an active display in order for it to keep the WMR headset active as well. Plug in a display emulator like the one I linked to and it works properly with the lid closed.

    If anyone has a software fix for this, please let me know.
     
  12. Chastity

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    4K @ 15" would be brutally wasteful, the scaling would waste the real estate. I have a 4K 28", and I still need 125% scaling.
     
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  13. Meaker@Sager

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    1080p is already at the limits really and the higher refresh rate screens can be a lot more power efficient than the 4k panels.
     
  14. nealios

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    random gripe
    but has anyone have any problems alt tabbing between games/firefox?

    whenever i alt tab back into a game, I am presented with the last frame from when i originally alt tabbed, hangs for 10 seconds (i can still hear audio) then comes back into the game.
    my 7 year old p170em had half the power of each unit, cpu, ram, gpu. and it alt tabbed seamlessly between anything.

    anybody else getting this ?

    also, whenever i alt tab, it disconnects my mic from discord or team speak. and i have to reboot the program to get it back. weird.



    **EDIT**
    sorry, im dumb, i downloaded gforce experience, and optimized all my games into full screen mode, whereas I normally have everything on borderless window mode.
    nothing to see here, move along
     
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  15. Chastity

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    FYI, just updated to WIn10 1803, and the upgrade install went flawlessly. :)
     
  16. CM_11

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    Anyone successfully updated the BIOS on one of these? Shouldn't be this hard....
     
  17. Chastity

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    still awaiting for MicroCenter to provide one, or confirm for me that they use standard Clevo releases

    UPDATE: apparently the tech I chatted with took my email and will contact their engineer team for an updated BIOS. In the meantime, I linked them the current Clevo driver releases for PA7xHS so they can update their site with the RS3 releases.
     
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  18. Prostar Computer

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    It's not so bad once you get your hands on the files (sometimes the hardest part). EC gets flashed first, then ME and BIOS. The process might vary from one seller to another.
     
  19. Canonfodder

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    What are you looking for an update to do? generally bios do not need to be updated unless there is need of a fix or to add or change something.
    There is nothing really wrong with it but it could definitely use more useful options.
    I would like more boot options or at least make it easier to boot to non uefi disks and for Speed Shift and settings options instead of having to use Throttlestop to turn it on and adjust it..
     
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  20. CM_11

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    I was under the impression that to be fully protected from the Spectre and Meltdown attacks, BIOS updates were needed.

    The other features you mentioned would be very welcome also.

    The Origin updater detects a BIOS update but warns that it may not be compatible, and I'm not sure what changes there even are with the one it states is available.
     
  21. Meaker@Sager

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    Yes, though most people should not run into issues unless running a server farm on an ESXi host.
     
  22. GrinningColossus

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    Anyone know why the Synaptics touchpad on the 1510 sometimes doesn't lock the cursor in place when you use side-scrolling? The only way I've found to fix this is to open the synaptics control panel... which gets removed in every driver update. Why that is, I don't know, I just know it is a huge pain in the ass to reinstall the old drivers where the control panel works, but I have to do it.

    Also wondering if the recent touchpad driver fixes the random sudden blue screen of death. No way to test that but to wait for it to happen to someone again.

    Edit: Found this handy batch file command to run the synaptics control panel. It returns 2 "Control Panel Extension is incompatible with Driver Version" errors but opens after I close both. Unfortunately it doesn't fix the side-scrolling not locking the cursor.
     
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  23. Canonfodder

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    Have you tried using Windows settings instead of the control panel to access the touch pad settings? I usually get there by left click the start icon. Why Synaptic has not bothered to change this is anyone's guess.
    I have had not had any issues with blue screens due to the touch pad so I am not sure what that is about
     
  24. GrinningColossus

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    I've tried Windows touch settings, they're lacking options like side-scrolling. Not a fan of two-finger scrolling.
    The BSOD issue was mentioned by a few people here. Here was my first post about it.
    I distinctly remember having the same BSOD twice before doing any undervolting, by the way, so don't let that throw you off.
     
  25. Canonfodder

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    I think it is just a matter that the touchpad is not capable of the feature. I have a few laptops and single finger scroll is a feature of at least two of them but double finger gestures is not, either way it is not a big deal for me.
    The one on the 1510 afaik just does not have the zones or they are not enabled.
    One feature I really wanted was the ability to double tap a zone to shut the touchpad off but it simply does not have that feature available.
    So the driver is showing the only things it is capable of
     
  26. Chastity

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    The Microsoft supplied patch for Win10 will work as well, as it will properly load the new microcode during OS kernel boot, and thus enable OS mitigations.

    EDIT: 1803 update broke Spectre protection. Awaiting next Cumulative Update.
     
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  27. Canonfodder

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    Hi, I have the 1510 and this is the report from "InSpectre" thanks for providing the link to that and the update link previously Chasity : )
    Going by the report it looks like the system is in good shape even at the hardware level. So I expect all updated 1510 systems are in good shape.
    I have not updated Windows to 1803 yet

    "This 64-bit version of Windows has been updated for full awareness of both the Spectre and the Meltdown vulnerabilities. If the system's hardware (see below) has also been updated, this system will not be vulnerable to these attacks.

    This system's hardware has been updated with new features required to allow its operating system to protect against the Spectre vulnerabilities and/or to minimize their impact upon the system's performance. (Protection from the Meltdown vulnerability does not require BIOS or processor updates.)

    This system's Intel processor provides high-performance protection from the Meltdown vulnerability. A properly updated operating system will be able to provide protection without significant system slowdown.

    This system's Intel processor provides high-performance protection from the Meltdown vulnerability and this version of Windows is taking full advantage of those features to offer that protection without overly severe performance penalties

    The system's registry is configured to enable both of the Spectre and Meltdown protections. Within the bounds of any limitations described above, Windows will work with the system's processor to prevent the exploitation of these vulnerabilities."
     
  28. Yavor Moskov

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    I can confirm my 1510 has 64 gb ram compatability or 16 gb per slot. I bought extremely cheap 32gb kingston xyperx memory on ebay auction and sold the two goldkey 8 gb modules that came in my powerspec 1510. I was in Europe the last two weeks and ram there is much more expensive than in the States so I sold them in Bulgaria for more money than brand new in USA. The Kingston XyperX 260 pin memory is fully compatible with 1510 and super fast. Also I added samsung 860 m.2 ssd and zero issues.
     
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    I’m thinking of adding an external monitor to my 1510. Specifically I’m looking at the BenQ ZOWIE XL Series XL2411P. I’d use it as my main screen and the laptop would be shut. Anyone here have this type of setup? How much increase did you see in the temps? It’s also not a gsync monitor. Would that be an issue? Can you go dual screen if one monitor is 144hz an the other is 60hz? Any other advice?
     
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  30. David McElroy

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    The 1510 can actually add 4 external monitors, 1 hdmi and 3 mini display port. I have three running now.
     
  31. Canonfodder

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    I have a 1510 and run to a 50" 4K tv all the time. Sometimes I run that at 1080 120hz sometimes 4k 60hz. But generally 1080 60hz works for me. So yes you can run any configuration same as any other 1070.
    Usually I have the laptop screen going as well so the lid is open. Even if I had the screen off I would keep it open since a lot of heat gets dissipated from that surface.
    It has 2 Mini DP and on full size Hdmi also with DP you can daisy chain monitors depending on the resolution and if you monitors are capable of it
     
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    Good to hear man, so I shouldn’t have any issues with a 144hz 1080p monitor. I’ll just keep the laptop open with the screen off for airflow. Time to go spend that tax money on the monitor and a mechanical keyboard!

    Edit: Does it matter that I doesn’t say gsync anywhere in the description of this monitor?
    BenQ ZOWIE XL Series XL2411P
     
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    If it doesn't say it then it does not have it, also I think that is a TN panel.
    Looks like a okay monitor at a good price right now but really the only way you will know if you are going to like it is to try it, just make sure of the return policy : )
     
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    Yes you can mix refresh rates.
     
  35. Chastity

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    Running a Samsung UE510 4K 60Hz monitor via mDP, and laptop screen at 100Hz, so mixing refresh rates is a non-issue.
     
  36. Tuan Hoang

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    Hey @Meaker@Sager , this is the Kryonaut application I did last time and you told me it was too much for the GPU. I just took it apart (again) to see how the paste spreads. What do you think?
    IMG_4517.JPG
    IMG_4519.JPG
     
  37. Meaker@Sager

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    It's fine but a little less and in the patterns I suggested should leave an even better pattern.
     
  38. nealios

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    Anybody replaced the thermal pads yet? I never have, so don't know what to buy.
    Is it worth it? Or is stock ok?
     
  39. Meaker@Sager

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    Stock is fine, after market lets you adjust the fit of the heatsink by exchanging thickness.
     
  40. Canonfodder

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    Did that paste help? did you replace the pads or do you know how thick they are?
     
  41. Tuan Hoang

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    Like this?
    IMG_4525.JPG
     
  42. Tuan Hoang

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    No I didn't replace the pads as I feel like there's no need to.
    This 2nd repaste with Kryonaut is pretty good. Before I close the back panel, I boot the laptop up while still leaving it upside down with all the fans exposed. I connect to an external monitor and launch Aida64 extreme, tick stress CPU, Cache and FPU. The temps max at 65°C for the CPU. Then I tick stress GPU. For the first time ever the CPU no longer throttles when put on stress together with the GPU. CPU temp at this moment is 80-90°C, GPU is 80°C
     
  43. Canonfodder

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    I think that is the best to hope for that the CPU and GPU do not thermal throttle under heavy stress.
    Was also curious as to the type of paste used stock to put the system together do you remember what it looked like, color? was it toothpaste : )
     
  44. Tuan Hoang

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    It looked like Noctua NT-H1.
    Tbh it wasn't that bad as people say when they think of "stock paste". I replaced the stock with nt-h1 when I first repasted it, the temps were literally the same
     
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    @Tuan Hoang When you do the line, you don't have to go edge to edge. Just a line that covers 2/3 the length of the die will work just fine. The paste at the edges will be squeezed out and wasted.
     
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    Hi Folks, I just received my PowerSpec 1710 today from an Ebay purchase that was listed as new. I don't have any doubt that it was but I am noticing a specific issue when I try to switch the hybrid graphics to discrete in the BIOS. The system boots fine, the refresh jumps to 75 and even supports 100hz however the system freezes and the display blanks out and throws odd characters. I can sort of remedy (reduce frequency) when I disable the G-sync function. As a fix I've downloaded and installed the latest Intel and Nvidia drivers but it still happens. If I switch back to Hybrid everything works fine with the display. I've emailed Microcenter support with the Serial # for assistance however if I can't find a solution I'm going to file a complaint with Paypal/Ebay as there might be a hardware issue. I'm not confident in this though as it seems more like a driver issue as with the Hybrid setup everything works fine.
     
  47. Canonfodder

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    Micro Center only sells those laptops 1710 1510 in store and one per household, afaik so if you bought on ebay is probably used.
    Doubt it is a driver issue sounds like a hardware issue. When you are in discrete mode all video is through the 1070 gpu in hybrid normal video that does not call for the 1070 use the intel graphics. If it were the screen it would happen all the time.
    So it sounds like a 1070 gpu issue.
    Try running a stress test like prime95
     
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  48. jchiffons

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    I'm starting to agree, fresh install of W-10 loads fine in hybrid but as soon as I switch to discrete graphical errors. The seller is being cool about it they'll issue a refund if Microcenter won't swap it out for a replacement. I'm not going to send it off to repair as that's not worth my time. I have the original receipt now so everything should go smoothly. The odd thing is when it's in hybrid and I loaded Arc Survival the game ran fine using the 1070 in Ultra, but at the native 60hz.

     
  49. Canonfodder

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    Did you try hooking up an external monitor and run it at different higher frequencies? could give a clue as to what exactly is going on. Either way though it is definitely a hardware issue related to the 1070.
    I have a 1510 and bought extended warranty from what I gather the warranty's transfers to the new owner so you have a good chance there unless of course Micro Center say it was caused by something the previous owner did whether it be a bad re-paste or overclocking.
    They are pretty good about things but no one will cover damage caused by negligence.
    Kind of curious about the whole deal since PowerSpec is a Micro Center brand and sold by them exclusively.
    So if this is a private party selling it on ebay then technically it would be used and there listing as new would be false etc.
    The seller also stating they will issue refund if MC wont swap out, Huhh!
    I would contact eBay so you can get your money back.
    Contacting Micro Center with some details would probably be a good idea as well
     
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    Yes, same issue on external display no matter the frequency. Per M.C website the warranty is transferable so I'll be covered either way, don't think they'll give any trouble. If they say the device was modified then I'll be issued a refund from Ebay as the poster stated it was new in box. I've already been in contact with Paypal/Ebay & User and we're all in agreement I can refund at my request so no worries there.

    I'm hoping M.C will swap out, that would be the quick and easy solution. I told the seller if M.C wouldn't swap out then I'd request a refund with Ebay/Paypal to which the seller agreed. So, either way I'm at no risk here, but I'll keep everyone updated if there's interested?
     
    Last edited: Apr 13, 2018
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