PowerSpec 1710 + 1510?

@mungry Did you ever get the back opened? @Tuan Hoang is the one that had posted way back about opening up the 1710. The post is around page 17 of this thread. If you still can't get the screws out, you could try cutting up a rubber band and putting a piece on top of a screw and then, try unscrewing it. Otherwise, maybe @Meaker@Sager knows what's up???

I haven't been on here in a while, so I might've missed a post about it...yay, New Year... I need to find time to catch up.

@Chastity I saw that CCC has been updated too? I think it's v5.0001.1.70 I tried to get it from ProStar, but the link won't work.

@RR30 What do you mean by "frame limiter"? I missed that.

FYI, I actually didn't get the option to enable or disable g-sync in the NVIDIA Control Panel until I first played an MMORPG. Not sure why... Everything seems to be going great, though. I've had the 1510 for almost 2 months, and I'm loving it. My temps have stayed pretty great; it is colder here so that probably helps. I haven't used my laptop cooler or had to undervolt yet. I'm going to hold off on re-pasting too.

Any suggested tweaks that I should do? Oh, what do you use to check frame rates? And is there a program that I can use to see my temps while I'm playing a game in full screen? I usually just minimize the game to see where my temps are at, but it'd be nice to see how it changes depending on the task I'm doing. Right now, I have 3DMark, Unigine, and Cinebench. Also, why can I only see my live temp when I'm in MSHybrid? I'm not very proficient with NVIDIA GeForce Experience, NVIDIA Control Panel, and CCC...the little, gray cells have to work hard.

 

An update on the advanced thermal management system I had going on.
I replaced the double-stick taped erasers with these

They don't raise the laptop as much (the box says 3/4" and/or 19mm), but they look decent and give more stability. For comparison:

This is how my 1510 laptop looks now.

The ones at the bottom were one piece cut in half with a safety knife to fit.

I have yet to test if the difference in airflow affects my temps. I'm still on stock voltage and stock paste since MicroCenter support said opening it and changing the paste will void warranty (in case you were wondering, they also discouraged removing the logo on the front "as that can cause damage to the screen", not sure if it would void warranty though). I'm definitely considering undervolting, it seems harmless. The only reason I'm skeptical is my old laptop's GPU acted differently undervolted, but it was dying and artifacting already anyway.

 

I did do a clean install of the NVidia driver and just removed the GeForce Experience, still getting <20 FPS. GPU temps average low to mid 90s. Would a repaste help at all?

 

One would hope so. Try something like Gelid GC Extreme or IC Diamond.

 

Just did another clean install of NVidia drivers, this time using DDU to remove drivers. It helped tremendously, i'm getting 60 FPS on medium/high settings and not breaking 90 for temps on GPU. However one thing I also noticed is that I was playing off of battery power. Once I plugged in the charger the gameplay started to stutter again and FPS dropped. Not as bad as it had been but still very noticeable. I'm assuming it could be my power settings somewhere? I've combed through but couldn't find much, unless I'm missing something? Thanks again for all your time and help.

 

Are you using hardware monitoring when you play, and are you monitoring GPU Power? If so, disable GPU Power monitoring, as it can cause spiking.

 

It should be totally the reverse. Even on a conservative power plan... seems weird. But yeah, try setting the global settings for high performance.

Glad to help.

 

It is ironic you mention this. I was literally just going to start looking for bumper replacements. This may be a better option, but I'd like rubber feet.

 

Hi folks, after agonizing over the decision for days I picked up the 1710 today for $1,299. So far all is well. No complaints with any noises that I read about. But the sound is pretty much only from the back right speaker. Has anyone figured out a fix for that?

 

These are very grippy, if that's what you're on the fence about. The back of the packaging even says it's good for use under computer hardware.

 

Nice! Well then, sounds like what I need as well. Thanks!

 

If I bought a cooling pad, I don't have to worry about adding something to the bottom of the laptop, right?

Also, what would be the best solution to downclocking the voltage? MSI Afterburner? Just trying to make sure I have everything setup where it won't have problems down the road.

 

I used ThrottleStop.

 

The laptop cooler is the thing you put under the laptop to raise it up. Nothing else is required.

 

Hello - new to the group. Purchased the 1510. Lots of good info in this thread which helped me setting up the 1510. Thanks to all.

Quick questions - does anyone know if MicroCenter is going to offer support for BIOS and CPU microcode firmware updates for protection against Spectre vulnerability for the PowerSpec line? I can't really get a clear answer from MC support. Any thing that could be done now for protection? Thanks.

 

I've gotten generic replies from their tech support as well. Since MC is new to this PowerSpec line, I guess we're dealing with growing pains.

 

Can we flash BIOS from other vendor aside from PowerSpec or that'll result in a $1399 paperweight?

 

As long as the BIOS is for the same motherboard. The biggest issue I see is whether the BIOS enables GSync for your particular panel.

 

Here are the temps when playing Deus Ex MD for like 3 hours. Put on a notebook cooler + fan speed set to maximum (Fn + 1). @BrinNutz @tanzmeister if you guys are experiencing performance locking issues I'd recommend a clean Windows reinstall like I did.

 

So it could break G-Sync? Oh and if flashing make the laptop bricked, would there be any ways to fix it? Or you have to physically de-solder the chip or sth like that?

 

you are not hitting the powerlimit with your GPU, that's obvious, since you are getting so high clocks in the game and only 72% GPU load. it only locks when constantly drawing 122+watt and having temperature over 75C at the same time for 1070 version.

 

I thought the max temps were off here but then I realized you have the 1710.

I played DXMD about 6.75 hours (probably too much for one session lol) after applying the vinyl bumpers to the bottom of my 1510. I used max fans but I had no cooler and I have comparable temps:

 

well I was experiencing locking issues with not only this game but also other games. Now I don't have it anymore and I'm pretty satisfied How do you know if it's drawing 122 watt?

 

Your CPU temp is so decent you make me jealous . Damn that heatsink design with 1 heatpipe of the CPU connected to the GPU is so..stupid. Like, the GPU already has TWO fans and radiators, no reason to connect it with the CPU. They should've done the opposite, connect the CPU heatpipes to the GPU raditors to share the workload.

Oh by the way, my laptop cooler wasn't on because it was sent to me WITHOUT a usb cable

 

you can monitor the GPU power consumption in HWinfo64. the only reason you are not experiencing it now is that the GPU is not at 100% load with 75C+ temp at the same time, that's for 1070.

for 1060 the limits are lower for both TDP and temperature.

 

Guys guys!!! Do you guys see the Max Q fan indicator from Clevo Control Center displayed while playing games? It suddenly showed up for me. It's on the top left corner, similar to when you Fn + 1 to crank the fans to maximum. I'm curious since this isn't a max-Q laptop lol.

CCC version 5.0001.1.70

 

I see a new set of drivers and such posted on clevo's site for the P6XXHS line (Powerspec 1510). Are either of these the official fix for the spectre/meltdown vulnerabilities? (those are my best guesses based on the premamod fix thread)

1. Update INTEL MEI driver v11.7.0.1045
1. Update Chipset driver v10.1.1.45

All new files (2018/1/25): http://www.clevo.com/en/e-services/download/ftpOut.asp?Lmodel=P6xxHS&ltype=9&submit=+GO+

Aside from the possibility of those two above fixing the CPU vulnerabilities, is it also usually worth updating Clevo Control Center? Edit: Or anything else? Edit #2: I get an alert "No such file or directory." trying to download any of the new files from the USA servers, I assume there's no actual difference in file though, right?

 

It's a combination of Windows patch (downloaded through windows update) and BIOS updates that will help secure vulnerabilities. However as seen with the test BIOS files causing BSOD and restarts it's not something that should be rushed.

 

First time poster here. Been reading through this thread since I am looking at purchasing the 1510 for gaming. After reading through I'm a bit worried on thermal management. Seems to me, a lot of you guys are having issues with it getting too hot during long gaming sessions. Is this something I really should be concerned about? Or has there been recent updates to bios and drivers to better help optimize it?

Any insight or information would be greatly appreciated, thanks!

 

From what I've read here, the people with thermal issues on 1510 were people who needed a thermal repaste job.

 

it's simple like that
microcenter do not repaste at all, clevo come from factory with bad paste.

 

Thank you for an official response. I figured the MEI file was related because the unofficial Prema mod fix does something with Intel Management Engine. I guess not?

 

That's a separate vulnerability to spectre and meltdown

 

I’ve been playing on the 1510 since Christmas. I have a laptop cooler and have undervolted the CPU to -.125. Playing about 3 - 4 hour sessions of Divinity OS2 a night, temps average mid 70’s with occasional peaks of 81. I tested the Witcher 3 and Fortnight and had similar numbers. Heat isn’t an issue if you give it a little TLC.

Overall though, the performance is insane! Been loving how smooth everything runs on this thing. Definitely recommend it!

 

Awesome! Thank you for that. I'm heading to my local MicroCenter tomorrow to check it out. Hopefully all works out.

Also, how is MicroCenter in regards to warranty or any type of issues? Do they seem pretty helpful or do they kick you to the wind?

Thanks

 

I was impressed with their service. Really nice and helpful. Walked around with me helping me pick accessories.

 

MicroCenter has a dedicated Tech Support service, and will do repairs onsite, or ship to their facility. I opted for an extended warranty coverage so I'd have 2 yrs.

 

All checked. But still never caps at 1468 Mhz like it used to do. So I'd still say a clean Windows reinstall DOES fix that stupid issue!

 

it must stay on 122-125 watt usage with 100% gpu load for about 2 minutes constantly with temps not dropping under 75C to lock there. and your GPU load is really dynamic. also your average temperature is just 73-74C. meaning you stay under 75C most of the time.

which windows build did you install and which driver version are you using?

 

OK. Then why it used to lock at 1468 Mhz, playing the same game, and now it doesn't anymore, after I reinstall Windows?

 

maybe it's winter and your room temperature is lower or you have a better airflow now. try turning the fans to auto and see.

I have re-installed windows so many times with no luck!

 

Forget to tell you that this is auto fan. The ambient temp in my room is around 20 - 21 C (70 F).
I don't understand why you still don't seem to admit that there's a driver bug with the 1468Mhz capping issue.
The first day I got this 1710, tested Rise of the Tomb Raider, it went full blast like it is right now. Then after a few driver updates, that issue started to appear, I couldn't play it like it used to do on the first day.
So I decided to reinstall Windows. Problem solved!

EDIT: when I don't use the notebook cooler, it reaches 90 C, and frequency drops to around 1700Mhz. Still keep going and doesn't drop further

 

Did you try launching a game right after Windows finished installing graphics driver? It got me version 387.92, and it didn't cap performance anymore. Now I'm using 390.65 and still no issues so far

 

I don't admit, because I have monitored the problem for months and you are not reaching the locking criteria from what I can see.

show me average 118-122 TDP + average 77-80 C temp with average GPU usage of 97-99% after 30minutes or more of gameplay and then I will believe you.

so as I have said: you room temps are low and you are using extra cooling for better airflow.

I am glad this has worked for you though, but it doesn't mean that the problem is globally solved.

 

What game/stress test program you use in order to achieve that?

 

Valley Benchmark, Heaven benchmark, Ultra Setting, 8x MSAA. for faster lock you can use pseudo 1440p via DSR

 

which windows 10 build are you installing btw?

 

1703 creators update.
Oh and my power plan is set to Balanced. I don't notice any difference moving up to Performance, so I just set it at Balanced to keep the fan noise down.
The 1709 update kinda messes around with these power plans so I don't want to update

 

1703 build or are you updating after the installation?

 

Install from the ISO file I downloaded straight from Microsoft a while ago. Back when the 1709 build hadn't come out yet