Prema BIOS questions

Your right i do apologize. Though i love @Prema i dont feel i should pay 1000 dollars more for the same pc because of his bios.Thats the savings i got from not purchasing with you guys and though they dont do lifetime tech. I dont need it because most people who are purchasing these machines have some tech experience i have 20 years under my belt. Im not sponsored or have a high paying job i a reg. Guy With 2 kids and wife and i take of all the bills. Honestly donald i would loved to purchase from you because you guys are probably the best reseller out there but the 1000 premium is too much. I'd would pay for his bios 100 or 200 would be fair because he deserves it but I'm sorry 1000 is way much. BTW I did speak to you on the phone about price match and you said you don't really do it because of all the additives you guys offer. So can't say I didn't try.

 

@Donald@HIDevolution do you guys sell replacement motherboards? If so how much for a P870TM1-G. What warranties do you offer on the part?

 

There you go again...

Why do you feel the need to exaggerate the facts? Sticking with the truth is far better form.

The fact is, the difference is price is no where near $1,000, and any difference is not only due to the @Prema BIOS. Saying it is a $1,000 difference, in an open public forum, is really disgraceful, and as a hard working father of 2, you should be ashamed.

As I said, you are certainly entitled to make your own choices for your own reasons, but coming here and lying is not fair to the rest of this community.

 

Why do you ask, have you already ruined yours?

To answer your question...no.

 

After you corrected me about the no barebones thing i went on your site and built the same computer i got from rjtech 120hz panel 1080s in vapor chamber with nothing else it was priced 3775 before 2.5 off 3680 + 30 fee bank would be 3710 when i got mine at 2890.after wire transfer (includes 30 bank fee) . That's 820 dollar difference Nobody here is trying to discredit you guys. I'm not even trying to be a **** (yes I put stars you guys know what I ment) but if you don't believe me I took a screen shot. That's a huge chuck I can devote to other stuff. I've attached a screen shot. Proof is in the pic. If you want proof I can even build one on rjtech to show they actually raised the price by 70 bucks. Still I'd pay 70 over 820. No lieing. Facts sorry for being off a whole 180 bucks @Donald@HIDevolution

Also my machine did not come with the psu or converter I got 250 off because I already have the converter and I got a 780w powers supply from eurocom. You guys don't offer that option but if I removed the 250 off I got its still be 570 dollars less. If you guys charged 200 more then them I would have paid just for that prema mod. Prema is an invaluable assest but when money comes to mind it's tough. 600 rounded is literally 4 of my bills plus gas for 2 weeks

 

No I figured if I could buy a board from you guys I could get the prema bios since the board is from you guys and has to be supported by you

I could sell the other board off and technically I'd have a evoc.

 

Hmm, well let's start by comparing Apples to Apples.

1. You priced ours with the B173QTN01.4 screen, which is a $175 upgrade that isn't offered by your vendor. You got the B173QTN01.0 screen. Why did you add this upgrade in your example, when that is not the screen you got? Not a fair comparison.
2. With your warranty, you pay shipping both ways whether you are in the USA or International. Our Warranty covers shipping both ways in the USA.
3. Your barebones warranty only covers the LCD, keyboard, and motherboard. Ours covers everything, including things like the touchpad, fans, cables, case...everything.
4. For returns for refund your vendor only gives you 15 days, and charges a 15% restocking fee, even if the unit is Dead on Arrival (DOA). Our return policy is 30 days, and the restocking fee for returns for refund is 10%, and ZERO if it is DOA.
5. Ours comes with the @Prema BIOS, and it is completely built, tested and goes through a rigorous Q.C. before it ships.

Now, I see their price at $3,269 ( http://rjtech.com/shop/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=30587), while ours, with exactly the same configuration including the same B173QTN01.0 screen, is $3,600, less the $30 Notebookreview member discount = $3,570...a difference of $301.00. To get the cash discount with us you don't have to pay a $30 bank fee, so if you paid that then the total cost difference is only $271.00 before cash discount.

So, the mystery is, since your vendor's site shows $3,269 before cash discount, how did you get it for $2,890, even after the cash discount? It seems they must have raised the price a bit more than $70 since you bought yours, or you got a different configuration than they show at the link above. With their cash discount, including your $30 bank fee, their price would be $3,200.93. Our price, after the Notebookreview member discount, and cash discount, is $3,480.75, a difference of $279.82.

Given the 5 differences noted above, a $279.82 difference would seem to be a fair value...and certainly not even close to $1,000, or $820.00.

Now, let's quit hijacking this thread and get back to Prema BIOS questions.

 

The 30 dollars is a bank of America fee for a wire transfer to get the cash back. No psu or converter removes 250. I was assured by rjtech when I spoke to them via telephone that it was indeed the b173qtn01.4 that indeed would receive. Your right though. The other stuff about warranties you guys win hands down. It's was 2949 before the 3 percent off. 2860 after I did post the order but it had my info on it. I will digress and apologies to the community for any shenanigans people felt I played.

 

It's not nice to make up false prices about ANY reseller, that is just not fair. First you said it was a 1000 USD difference, then it went down to 820, then it went down to 271 USD after Donald showed us the accurate calculation above. Be happy with what you bought and move on but don't come on here making false statements about any reseller.

There are many Clevo resellers out there, and while it may seem that they are selling the same exact machine, understand that these are barebones machines and it is up to the system builder on how well they build it, put it together, stress test it, ensuring you get a quality product that works at out of the box and lasts long. Enthusiasts see the value in EVOC Machines and they don't start comparing it to others for a slight price difference because it can behave and perform in a totally different way depending on how it's configured, built, and what BIOS it has.

For example HIDevolution delids the CPUs in-house to bring down the temps anywhere between 10C to 20C which is an absolute must for these desktop class CPUs that are running in a laptop otherwise you WILL get heat problems. Sure, you can delid yourself but when the system builder does it, your warranty is intact as they will cover the CPU warranty out of their own pockets even if Intel denies it because the CPU was delidded. That is a huge added value to the system.

Now, I am one person who has owned a regular Clevo machine before then I sold it because I was sick and tired of the throttling, anytime the CPU + GPU are used simultaneously, the CPU would throttle down to 3.6 GHz or even go as low as 2.9 GHz (that was on a 6700K CPU in my previous P870DM); the standard BIOS is seriously limited and barely offers anything to play with. With the Prema BIOS, it's like you bought a super car and got a manual transmission with it, it puts you in full control.

Not only for overclocking, but for example, when installing Windows, it is best to have only the SSD that you're installing Windows on connected and have to physically remove the other drives to prevent the Windows installer from placing the boot files on the 2nd drive which might cause boot slowdowns if the other drive was an HDD and might cause issues when creating system images because if you backup your first drive which is C: and the system partitions before it, the boot files are let's say on D:, so when you restore your image, if your boot partition was corrupt or messed up, you are SOL With the Prema BIOS, you don't need to open the laptop to disconnect/remove the other drives, you can simply disable them from the BIOS. Since I am a person who formats a lot, especially now we are getting lots of new builds of Windows 10 and upgrades never go smooth, that was a big plus point for me.

After my experience with the stock Clevo machine I had, then seeing what the Prema BIOS does, it literally felt like a whole new laptop, both performance wise because no throttling and the ability to disable hibernation from the BIOS, disable certain drives, the list is too huge to list. I wouldn't care how much more a system from a Prema Partner costs, it's either a Clevo with the Prema BIOS or I'd rather get an Acer jokebook with a crippled cancer firmware/BIOS and just surf the net on it.

I re-ran all the benchmarks which I did on the Clevo P870DM then re-ran them again on the Prema BIOS based P870DM (which was a Eurocom Sky X9 at the time) and I immediately noticed a big improvement across the board in all benchmarks.

Benefits of Prema BIOS:

• Restores user ability to overclock or underclock the CPU
• Restores user control over CPU power settings (voltage, watts, amps) for optimal performance and/or thermal efficiency
• Restores ability to control non-turbo CPU core ratio
• Restores ability to control CPU c-states and p-states
• Restores ability to control BCLK (northbridge) and FCLK (System Agent) frequency
• Restores ability to enable Intel Speed Shift Technology functionality
• Restores ability to disable Intel Software Guard Extensions (SGX) functionality which is intended for software developers who want to use that feature and causes erratic system behavior
• Restores ability to control RSR, Watchdog Timer, ASPM, ACPI sleep and hibernation functionality
• Restores ability to control RAM timings, clock speeds and enables the utilization of XMP profiles
• Restores ability to control selection of Legacy, UEFI and CSM to install whatever operating system is desired
• Restores ability to control CPU-based DEP, AES (encryption) and Virtualization
• Restores ability to control GPU scaling, PCIe speed and power management features
• Restores control over Thunderbolt and USB 3.1 configuration
• Restores control over SATA port configuration and Intel LPM. Having the ability to disable drive ports allows exclusive control over what drive receives the BCD/boot sector, system and recovery partitions during Windows Setup and eliminates the need to physically remove non-OS drives when installing a new OS.

 

They(hidevo) also provide free delidded and binned processors!

 

Even win 7 ?

Really!?

 

You can install Windows 7 on UEFI. When trying to install Windows 7 on the P870 then drivers will most likely be your issue, also the lack of direct x 12 will force you to upgrade in the near future, unless you do nothing gaming related on the ntoebook.

But yes, prema does unlock all features, even that one you have marked bold.

 

Well, gaming is all i do!
I play csgo and dota 2 alot! But sometimes i like to play cs1.6(whuch just dosent work on any win 10!
So i have to start my crappy old pc just for some cs1.6(i am really lazy)

 

I play 1.6 just fine on my W10 machine.

 

Really,, aint it getting crashes "hl has stopped working"??

 

Considering I played a CS 1.6 marathon a couple of months back for 20 hours straight without a single crash I dare say no.

 

Well, mine just dosent start!

 

Please people, quit hijacking this thread.

If you want to have a private conversation that is off topic for this thread, please take it to PM.

 

Benefits of Prema BIOS:

• Restores user ability to overclock or underclock the CPU
• Restores user control over CPU power settings (voltage, watts, amps) for optimal performance and/or thermal efficiency
• Restores ability to control non-turbo CPU core ratio
• Restores ability to control CPU c-states and p-states
• Restores ability to control BCLK (northbridge) and FCLK (System Agent) frequency
• Restores ability to enable Intel Speed Shift Technology functionality
• Restores ability to disable Intel Software Guard Extensions (SGX) functionality which is intended for software developers who want to use that feature and causes erratic system behavior
• Restores ability to control RSR, Watchdog Timer, ASPM, ACPI sleep and hibernation functionality
• Restores ability to control RAM timings, clock speeds and enables the utilization of XMP profiles
• Restores ability to control selection of Legacy, UEFI and CSM to install whatever operating system is desired
• Restores ability to control CPU-based DEP, AES (encryption) and Virtualization
• Restores ability to control GPU scaling, PCIe speed and power management features
• Restores control over Thunderbolt and USB 3.1 configuration
• Restores control over SATA port configuration and Intel LPM. Having the ability to disable drive ports allows exclusive control over what drive receives the BCD/boot sector, system and recovery partitions during Windows Setup and eliminates the need to physically remove non-OS drives when installing a new OS.


As far as i understand, this says about OCing ram(right!?), just want to ask, is this going to get any performance benefits(note, i dont have prema bios, but just being curious)

 

yes, pretty much.

 

i have a p870km1g from Eurocom. Someone knows where shall i ask the prema bios? Is it still free?

 

Well the website is currently "in construction" and their blog lead to software packed in password-protected ZIP so... hard to tell if it's value-added.

 

Just read the sticky post:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/important-security-update.811312/

PW is right there as well as in the disclaimer on the blog. Thousands of systems patched for free without Clevo or re-seller having to move a finger is value-added in my book.
Getting systems patched is the only reason I even made the blog public, which we used internally only over the past year.

 

This sir, makes prema the "prema"!!!
Btw does clevo even know you fixed it?
Also can i fix my laptop(p775tm from avadirect) by your tool?(as you know, they arent your partnwr unfortunately)

 

Yes, they are aware.
Sure you can.

 

Ok used the ME tool for patching, this is working as expected.
Do you have custom BIOSes for W65KJ1_KK1 models ? Would interest me some day

 

I don't think Eurocom is a Prema Partner anymore and no it's not free. Only for systems bought from a Prema Partner.

 

Hi, @Prema. Any news on the BIOS for P750TM units? I know that it's going to be done remotely by HIDevolution, I just don't know when. I don't quite know how to fully access your website (I do remember subscribing to it though). Thank you for your hard work!

 

SOON™

Spectre put a bit of a dent into our testing. Their first batch of new microcodes blew a few boards, so we are rolling out slowly to make sure it's all good with their second attempt.

 

So Intel will issue another microcode update to fix Spectre?

 

The issued the first batch in early December and the second batch after NY...

 

So it's unsure wheter or not the ones released after NY break the boards?

 

Are you planning a single BIOS that flashes all Clevo's which are Prema Partners?
Blew up boards? May I know which one was that? haswell or newer skylakes/kabylake/CFL/Tigerlake?

 

I don't think they will, but as long as everyone releases their own code changes it's all a big mess...

Every Partner has their own custom version.
They didn't kill specifically Clevo's but systems failed in general. We didn't have broken boards ourselves but Intel issued a quick revision to remedy the problem...all Partner Prema Mod's use the second iteration.

Edit: Before people blame Intel. The first patch batch was actually newer pushed to end-user and was meant to be for internal beta testing only.

 

That's a lot of work

We really appreciate your work.

 

By Partner you mean other vendors or Prema Partners with custom Logo's.
Well, @Prema Dell issued a patch finally, but forgot to remove the MEFW lock thereby not flashing ME FW and my system still vulnerable. This sucks.....

 

I think he means all partners who work with Prema, since everyone seem to have their own code it would mean that Prema has to basicially rework the same BIOS slightly changed over and over again to contain the new microcode in each and every one, which is a complete mess.

 

https://premamod.com/partner/

 

@Prema I was wondering if there's a BIOS available for the PowerSpec 1710 (PA70Hx mobo)? Inquiring for BIOS updates from OEM generate generic responses from their support lines.

 

Too bad, yep they ask me 125$ and prema didn't answered me, hopefully someone from bios-mod did it in a few hours, NOW my p870KM1G is unlocked and with much more option i ever saw even from my old prema unlocked p377sma. Very happy

 

Just to make things crystal clear:

I have nothing to do with the Eurocon 'unlocked BIOS' and the money they are charging for it.

 

You need to understand that Prema has a LOT of inbox mails, so he obviously cannot answer them all or doesn't feel like it, which makes sense. Also he needs to prioritize his customers over people that need help since he is obligated to.

 

Yeah, the dozens of user I helped this month, most without seeing even a cent in return, don't post because they are happy and the ones that do post have nothing good to say because they are still on the to-do-list.

This one is actually a good example of someone writing 4 (four) times the same mail within a single week:

Spoiler

(No she didn't donate after getting the Mod or even said thank you)

I am closing my inbox for the time being as I don't want anyone to think that I ignore them for any other reason than being busy with RL stuff.

 

Exacly what I thought. Especially since this whole intel spectre fiasco I'd assume it's even worse than usual. So I'm not suprised about anythng to be honest. Keep up the good work and disabling your inbox might be a good idea.

Some people are so self entitled they think they have higher priority than actual paying customers, which is ludicris. Patience is the way to go.

You worked hours uppon hours writing the code and figuring things out. The fact that they can have it for free if they are patient is already something they should be insanely greatful for. So if money is on the bank, a donation is absolutely the right thing to do for those people. Sadly the self intitled pricks have money on the bank and want everything for free without showing any signs of grattitude

 

In general if a user is after more performance don't pay money just to get more options that give you no gain at all. Those times are over since they started to implement throttle code 3 years ago.
Simply using Throttlestop XTU or CCC will give you the exact same results.

PremaMod is not just an 'unlocked BIOS', we have to do a lot more to get to the results that you are seeing on the leader boards. I'll leave it at that and get back to work...peace.

 

i just said he didn't answer me, i didn't ask a reason why he didn't answer me. I don't mind if he doesn't answer me for no time or even if he doesn't want to reply to me, he is free to do what he wants.
i just reply to phoenix when he told me eurocom is selling his own unlocked bios and not prema partner. So i find an other way to unlock it to not spam his mailbox. it's also a message for members who wants to unlock without the need to spam prema.

 

As Prema already advised, he doesn't just unlock, he finetunes the systems to achieve greater performance. It's not just an unlock.

 

Totally agree with you, but i baught my system to a seller from my own choice who is hopelessly not partnered with prema and since he has to be selective to give or not his work, my only last option is to play myself with the settings, at least unhidded is easier, not a great job for a user like me but i have to deal with.

 

As Prema was saying, give it time. He will help out people like you, however right now he's really busy on other projects. Thanks to intel everyone wants to be as secure against spectre as possible, so his workloud got larger, he needs to do a lot of testing and Intel keeps releasing new stuff which he has to implement. It's better to not write stuff like "might as well go for some cheap unlocked on other sites" but instead wait for him to find some time instead.

I don't think there is any alternative to Prema.

 

is there any bios update for P670RE3-G?? I have searched elsewhere for the update but came to disappointment. Mine was from Illegear, based in Malaysia, but they still couldn't help me with that