Prema BIOS questions

Just be patient. There is no need for you to update anyways.

 

Hi,

Is there a BIOS mod for Clevo n170SD @Prema?!

Thanks

 

Dear Prema, Dear All,

I'm a newbie here, so please excuse me if I introduce the case for which I beseech your help.

My beloved Clevo P170EM, customized piece after piece for years and used for photography and some games, froze a couple of days ago, with blue screen and other signs of unhappiness.

After a long week-end of debugging I concluded for the premature dead of the 7970M, due to repeated overheating (my fans were often at max speed and I didn't pay attention enough to that warning, silly me). It has been indeed impossible to re-install the drivers and impossible to restart the PC out of safe mode, if the ATI drivers were not wiped out by DDU.

I've decided to seize the opportunity to buy a GTX 980M, plus the necessary for the installation, from ebay, since it would have cost the double to do it from american retailers like Eurocom, including shipping and +20% for European customs.

I'm now in need of the bios to revive the Creature, and the instructions to do it without frying everything.

Prema, can you help me, please?

I'm absolutely ready and willing to cover the associated work and value, via a donation.
I would infinitely prefer to give that to you directly than to a third party retailer, unless you expressly give me that directive.

For the procedure, I've started looking around but not yet found a clear post with a step by step fool proof guide.
And of course, I miss all files.

Thank you, in any case for your time and work,

Duccio

 

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That second spoiler really made me laugh; it looked a little too familiar. As a 'tool-maker' in my field I always love the "Hey do you think you could design/optimize X (which usually would involve several months of time and ~$1-2K in unreimbursed materials) so that I can use it in a single molecular experiment that will be done in four hours?"

It's not that I didn't appreciate the idea, or even the request. It was usually all the follow up emails and phone calls asking if I could 'hurry up' for their grant proposal or publication deadline that drove me nuts!

Best wishes (and some sympathy) for @Prema

 

How did they get hold of your personal Gmail id?

 

I just wrote on January 21 with a little hope for an answer... How I was wrong.

 

Wow........just unbelievable. We know your not rude @Prema this person just ruined it for all of us thanks mike, I've been waiting a little over a week with fingers crossed now I gotta wait longer thanks to you. I know there is probably people who've been waiting longer geez....whoever that chick was sucks. I'll donate right now without the mod please send me the PayPal info. @Prema I'll contribute without getting anything with just hopes that you bless me. Thanks for all your great work. I used your work before my p375sma.

 

I have not put donation links up for myself on the new page to avoid all the negativity surrounding it...
Yeah, I get a lot of this everyday. The most annoying part is people whining in multiple mails, PMs, DMs and public posts and making big promises and don't even say thank you once they have what they want. I know that they are lying to get what they want and still decide to help them, but it get's tiring to keep up the spirits.

 

@Prema I understand and i apologize. You have to understand your like a god to people when it comes to this. without your help alot of people suffer from not being able to have your great work put to being used and they cannot unlock the true potentials of their laptop. Now i understand there are other ways then asking a deity as yourself for help but alot of us have made the mistake of not getting it from prema resellers from lack of research or other reasons. When i purchased my p375sm i went on your site read the instructions and did it myself now theres no way around it. So unfortunately we literally have to beg or pray you bless us in a sense. Some people just focus on what they want and do it in a negative way. Patience is a virtue few have. i know i didnt have it and thats why i purchased from rjtech lol when i should have purchased from @Donald@HIDevolution but you live and learn. Alot of people want to follow your advice and focus on what they want because life is short they just dont understand how to follow that advice. half the time im on here i feel like a stalker or a kiss ass when it comes to all the greats like @Mr. Fox @Phoenix and yourself but you guys are the gods

 

I don't see anything you should apologize for!
I must have said it already more than 10 times in this thread, but I help wherever and whenever I can.
Right now my hands are full and I haven't even released the P7xxTMx Mods to Partner yet because of Intel constantly pushing then pulling codes...
I am just a guy with a Notebook trying to find ways to help without loosing all faith in humanity...

 

I really thank you for all you hard work Prema, without you I wouldn't be able to enjoy my 970M GTX inside my Clevo for all this time. Really thanks, I mean it.

I have intention to buy a new laptop when Volta will come out, hopefully end of this year.

I am based in Japan, what is the nearest Prema reseller? Is there a way to get a Clevo with your BIOS from here?




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how to access your website? would like your BIOS to my P370EM3

 

Well ill wait for whenever you can help and if you can help me @Prema my interest are in a P870TM1-G bios and a oc 1080 bios if possible. Since there is no donation place id like to publicly thank you in advance for your services though they are invalueable id still like to donate without you even giving me anything. Whenever you have a link up or if you have a personal one id like to know. Please and thank you.

 

Thank you again for your awesome job @Prema

 

Appreciate your kind words!

 

Not to derail the thread, but Intel's microcode actually DESTROYED boards (or CPU's?)
How is that even possible? I thought microcode was software....

 

Everything is coded by programmers, brother. A slight increase in CPU V/A can destroy boards. I have seen my friend's Arduino board being destroyed in their Lab just by passing wrong arguments.

 

Hi @Prema ,

Have some question...

Around 3 years ago I flashed my Clevo P670SE with your BIOS and vBIOS. I found on my laptop that all files were coming from folder "P6xxSE_39_310_PM_v2" . Now I need to come back to original BIOS version (without your wallpaper when the OS is starting ) for a little time. Could you pls lead me how to do it?

I found the folder with name "P6xxSE_39_310_Stock" and some files inside, however I am not sure if it will recover my BIOS to original one? It was so many years ago, so I don't remember and need to your kind advise!

Many thanks in the meantime, it's amazing , what you are doing.

Brgds,
Bartosz

 

Whenever I feel good about it...I am currently implementing some new stuff.
I wanted to create something good, but it felt like it just brought out the worse in people.
Just like you, they lied, they stole, they fought, they scammed and they tried to make as much profit out of others work as possible without any moral grounds and I don't intend to foster that any longer.

Maybe follow the "README" files that are also in that folder?

 

@Prema
Yes, I follow README, but there is nothing said, if it will make BIOS back to original one. I only guess so, by following the name ("Stock) of the folder "P6xxSE_39_310_Stock". So again, by running the "update.exe" file , will I come back to orignal BIOS version for my Clevo?

From the other hand,
I can see that that your PREMA BIOS mod is basing on BIOS version 1.3.10, however I can see that the latest one for my laptop is 1.5.01. The question is, if I will update to 1.5.01 (both BIOS and EC), would I be able to come back to your BIOS which is based on 1.3.10 ? Or the downgrade is not the most preferable option?
Or maybe you have some newer version of BIOS for my Clevo P670SE?

Thanks for reply!

 

All my bios packages are safe due to the way they flash everything in one go.

Only if you deal with files provided by Clevo always flash the EC before the BIOS when upgrading and in general don't downgrade.

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Since there seem to be some members trying to make a quick buck out of innocent user, here a small reminder:

Also don't waste your money on scammers:

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THX @katalin_2003 for keeping the trash out!

 

Hmm, then sir, why not create a software that let only the laptops purchased from partners install the BIOS? ( that too software installs/updates the bios itself, so that labour to remote in and flash yourself is reduced and chances of bios leaks from people like @JekMilton is just reduced to ZERO?). That'd be a nice one!

Prema BiOS control centre-ish thingy .(REALLY AMPED ABOUT IT!)

Who agrees?

Okay, thats wierd, some of the posts have literraly went poof!

Anyways, @Prema can you state how much performance drop i have to expect on my i5 8600k if i fix my unpatched p775tm with your tool?

 

That is workload specific. Best and easy way to know is to launch a VM with W7 or W10 ISO by allocating 3 of your CPU cores along with Virtualisation counter or Vt-d enabled in BIOS. If you see consistent hangs or stutters then it means most likely you're seeing the difference. This step will be helpful if you previously ran a VM against similar settings to observe clear difference.
I feel you're asking about ME_11 Tool which doesn't affect CPU performance at all.

 

So actually it means, I can upgrade now my BIOS with 1.05.01 original CLEVO version and later on move back to your modification BIOS again without any problems?
Thanks!

 

Hi.

I am new on here but have been following this thread and others for a little while now. I have a Clevo W370SS ('Cube Chamelon' branded), which I bought a couple of years ago and I've only recently realised how limited the BIOS is since I've started having to lower settings for newer games etc. I have upgraded the RAM, been tweaking with MSI Afterburner (to increase GPU clock) and Intel Extreme Tuning (to lower the CPU voltage), and have seen better performance by doing so (and lower temps), but was just wondering what a PREMA BIOS would do differently or on top of what I have already done?

I realise I can't actually get hold of a PREMA BIOS for my model right now, I was just wondering if I could expect more should I ever be able to get it in the future or if I should in actual fact be considering getting a new laptop now (although I'm not sure the missus would be too happy about that!). Anyone with a W370SS / NP7378 out there that could comment? Would be most appreciated.

Thanks.
Steve

 

hi Guys
I am looking for a Premia BIOS for my P870Dm2 gsync. I have read a lot about it and have been trying to contact him for some time, unfortunately without success maybe he is reading this or someone can help me to contact him.
greetings from Bavaria
Christoph

 

No way of getting the Prema BIOS unless you purchase your laptop from a Prema Partner

 

Oh Verdammt
Are there alternatives? My Clevo is from Notebookguru

 

I send him Beer from Bavarian than he give me the Bios

 

Huh??? I've never even spoken to you!

Also @ everyone please don't register here just to PM me.
My inbox is closed for the time being due to people complaining that I am taking too long to respond.
This thread is not a PremaMod request post. I also don't have the time to deal with other people selling my Mods to innocent user on a daily basis so please be aware that the site owner can read your PMs and will take action accordingly.

 

What's wrong with people?

This is why we can't have nice things!

 

Sorry I just wanted to ask if you can buy it. Unfortunately I do not have a Prema Partner Shop in Germany and it is too hot for me to send a 4000 Euro laptop from abroad. Best regards

 

"Also @ everyone please don't register here just to PM me."

Just to say, I deliberately didn't message you direct after reading through the various threads on the issue, I understand the situation and how you are being bombarded with BIOS requests etc. and don't want to add to it! My question was more about understanding what potential benefits there were with your BIOS vs the tweaking I have used outside of the BIOS and I figured this was the thread to ask about it. It wasn't intended to be a sneaky way of contacting or PM'ing you, I'm genuinely just unsure whether my laptop is just a bit old now, for gaming needs, and perhaps I am flogging a dead horse with it? Its a shame I can't just upgrade the graphics card in it because everything else is of a reasonable spec, but alas, it is soldered in place.

 

I'm going to bet you're expecting a free BIOS.

Stay frosty.

I really HOPE that never comes to happen.

Let me take you through the world of a software engineer / modder like @Prema.

See, BIOSes are *NOT* plug and play. Firmware is like a date. It can go really well (with the kind of meticulous effort and testing put in it) or really baldy (when you flash the wrong BIOS on a machine and brick it or worse still, cause untraceable issues such as performance losses).

What Prema does isn't merely unlocking BIOSes, but rather, tuning them even further for maximum performance. These are not cheap hacks, and writing shims (like the software you suggested above) creates walls of obscurity that are often prone to failure (There's a reason why some systems have dual BIOS chips. Users are incredibly stupid, and left to their own means, will brick **** and keep forwarding complaints to @Prema and spamming forum threads).

 

And......thats what the sofware i think is meant to be! The software itself detects what model bios does it needs, and then after flashing it deletes everykind of bios file @Prema has made, making it impossible for other to steal! However this is currently somethong like dream now!

 

Every automated system can be cheated.
If I would have wanted to create a walled garden, there would be a few things I would have done. Like when @svl7 left the scene he implemented brick code into his last batch of vBIOS which renders every system unbootable in case the firmware is messed with. (We idiots bricked our own test systems unintentionally while testing a bugged version a day before release).
It would be very easy to even perma brick every system if simply a dumped copy of my work is used instead of the original clean files etc...

BUT, that's not me and I don't want to have to resort to become bad just to conquer evil.

The old systems we are used to, where there is one price tag for everyone simply doesn't work also user can't respect or appreciate the work behind something that is just handed out to everyone. e.g. they ripped off my free work while beta testing even before the public release.
I am currently learning from users behavior, while trying to implement a new way that serves the majority of user without tempting them to do the wrong things. I want everyone to be able to become a part of the Team and that takes a lot of thinking outside the box and fine tuning in order to accommodate everyone's needs as good as possible.

We have to have a system that gives everyone a chance to become better , instead of worse, out of their own free will and not because they are forced to.

 

In my religeon, it is said that even gods had to pick up their weapons to kill the evil, not once but thousands of time. Dosent mother nature even does that? A porcupine HAS to use its venomous stings to protrct himself from being eaten!

That's nature's rule! To conquer evil, you need a evil! However as per your talks, you're simply bot that kind of guy(i believe)! If you wont do anything, people WILL try everytime to steal your bios! We care for your work, hence we are worried of your work's security, sir!

 

So , there is no way to get your vbios for now , right ?

 

According to those holy scriptures fighting the evil is the appropriate behaviour during a golden age where good and evil can be separated. During the age of vice good apears to be evil and vice versa and the scriptures advise to conquer with love (Prema) instead.

Also don't worry as all my files are uniquly signed so I know exactly where files come from when someone breaks his promise.

 

Well, then thats a diffrent thing now!

 

Where do i find premas new side i need a bios for my alienware

 

There are none.

 

Of course there are some, or else i wouldn't have asked

 

No new premasides or vBios, they are all private and people who got the BIOSES from Prema aren't allowed to send them. I was refering to that, not to the vBios. You can download stock ones from Alienware I think.

 

There's a reason BIOSes are primarily designed with a write protection for the SPI , to prevent users from intentionally (or by some accident) bricking their stuff.

Part of the manual process in updating the firmware (from the OS side) is running a tool that resets the EC, sets the SPI as read/write and confirms that the SPI is set back to read only AFTER the BIOS update is complete. If you're observant, that's about 3 ways to get an end user ****ed over by some "smart flashing software" which, for whatever reason, may fail to validate these steps (be it due to a bug or implied developer stupidity, Lenovo and Acer's BIOS flashing procedures topping this list in stupidity alone) and often resulting in a hard brick should any component fail. Part of having dealt with @Prema is the fact that he does the flashing process himself, ensuring that all processes run without fail. That one step where his expertise comes in has saved many from their own stupidity.

Secondly, that kind of information (identifying a system by BIOS version, board number, etc) is at best read from the DMI tables, and there's a rule to that: Do NOT trust DMI-provided information BECAUSE it *assumes* that the OEM populated it correctly. As a Linux systems engineer, I'd be a millionaire by now for every board I've had to work with that reported wrong (and obviously broken ACPI tables) because few vendors bother filling it in correctly, if at all.There's that Foxconn case a while back that brings the bile back everytime its' mentioned.

The second part expands on the write-protected SPI block. Remember that bug where some Lenovo laptops got bricked by Ubuntu 17.10's installation media? Now, take that trivial issue and amplify that effect by ~10,000X and see the clusterfuck that awaits. When it comes to firmware, there's no room for assumption, or human error caused by walls of obscurity that rely on such assumptions. Because at times, the most trivial fix is often what's needed to unfuck a situation, and people who write such shims know full well the risks they take in doing so.

 

AND THIS IS WHY we can NOT have nice things!!

Can someone PLEASE Ban that joker from this forum? I don't want ANYONE ever taking advantage of Prema ever again!

 

Since the Prema bios is so powerful, does it come with any sort of instructions on what to/not to do? I'm pulling the trigger on the P870TM1 here this week and considering I've never overclocked a system, I was just wondering if some sort of "read me" guide is included since it's non-stock, or is it just a matter of asking/researching what each option does and how to use them in combination with each other?

This machine will be a workhorse for school (C++/unreal/unity game programming) and AAA gaming so I would like to get a bit more performance out of it than what the stock options offer, without blowing it up due to my ineptitude.

 

Step 1: If you don't know what a BIOS setting does, ask.
Step 2: Common sense matters. A lot. With great power comes a great ability to screw things up really badly (Especially for some tasks such as overclocking).
Step 3: Grouping. Some settings are related. For instance, you can't have secure boot without UEFI boot, etc. Learn what these combination settings are so you can learn how to quickly change settings without breaking functionality.
Step 4: Assume that the stock settings you'll see in the BIOS are defaults *uness* otherwise specified. For example, on newer Clevo's, they undervolt the CPU by -100mV, whereas Prema's mod undoes that setting.

A bit of research will be beneficial in the long run. You could use this as a starting point.

 

Most important things in a Prema Bios:
1) CPU Core clock ratio.
2) Cache Ratio (for those who care).
3) Manual/ Adaptive / Offset voltages / negative/positive offsets
4) Power Limits 1 and 2
5) CPU Current Limit (aka VR Current Limit / ICCMAX)
6) Cstates, Speed Shift
7) CPU VR settings->Core I/A settings-> IA AC DC Loadline (lowest non-zero value (1) for no VID boosting, Bios set VCore=true Vcore BEFORE Vdroop, which cannot be read without a "Vcore" sensor. You can safely set this value up to "25" (0.25 mOhms) to counteract minor vdroop but do NOT touch this setting if you don't know what you're doing. Hint: if you don't know what this setting does, leave it on Auto. This setting can be dangerous so it may or may not be available in Prema Bios. (Kaby Lake/Skylake intel reference setting =1.80 mOhms, 8700K/Z370= 2.10 mOhms).
8) for those with OCD: Intel ICC settings->Set Spread Spectrum to 0% for 100.000 mhz BCLK, if it's available.