Sager 2090 Impressions

OH SNAP:
http://picasaweb.google.com/DrScratchAndSniff/Sager2090/photo#5081181491692707410

 

yes, but you are not looking at the wrong thing. GDDR3 is worthless if its clocked that low.
ifl90: http://picasaweb.google.com/DrScratchAndSniff/Sager2090/photo#5081184236176809586
asus G1s: http://1toppc.com/Merchant2/images/Notebook/Asus/8600GT_8600GS_Clock.jpg

Anybody know why the same gfx card is clocked differently?

 

Different companies clock them based on cooling, power, etc.

 

can we over clock it to match g1s?

 

woah... wtf... i agree with u ... why would they be clocked so differently???

also note that the ifl90 512 card is at 60 degrees and the g1s card is at 68 degrees... with the right driver could the speed be boosted to match the g1s, and for some reason they just majorly underclocked it??

maybe turning the speed up to the 700mhz like the g1s will only increase the temp by 8 degrees, which sounds safe--especially with asus setting them at this for the base speed. as long as that is the idle temp, for each card.

 

or if we install the video drivers from the asus g1?

 

NVIDIA has standard drivers, which you can overclock. The problem is overclocking can void the warranty and it can make the system unstable. No need for the asus drivers.

 

idk i am very new with all of this gpu stuff, but it seems like the card has potential to be better than the g1s card becasue of the 512 on board and now we know it has gddr3. once someone figures out if it can be sped up we will know for sure, but i dont see why the speed cant be turned up... and why would they underclock it so much to begin with?

 

It's probably underclocked because they wanted to be safe. The cooling might not be up to par either.

 

The ODM engineering department decides what the clocking should be, but the nVIDIA cards are overclockable.

See this Sticky in the Compal section of this forum. http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=61174

 

Excuse my ignorance...what does ODM stand for? Original Design Manufacturer?

 

As long as you are careful, and overclock as shown in the Sticky linked to in post #160 above you will be able to do it safely without voiding the warranty.

 

Yes. See http://www.powernotebooks.com/articles/index.php?action=fullnews&id=17

 

If the laptop comes to use underclocked, and we overclock it to stock, will that void the warranty?

 

It could. Use the instructions instead of just jerking it to what ever you might be calling "stock".

 

If the manufacturer gives it at a particular speed, thats 'stock' speed for him.

So changing it to speeds that may be different from the given speed to other brand 'stock' speeds would definately result in a warranty void situation..

Imo, if its given at a particular speed, there has to be a reason for it, else setting it a faster speed would have been their first choice as more speed = more performance = better sales for a product..

 

well, not necessarily. Lots of people are looking for stability, so they never have their computer overheat or anything else happen to it. Most folks just want the thing to work. Thus, to satisfy this portion of the market, manufacturers might clock the chip lower, which results in better stability, and thus better sales. That's just my take on it.

 

Probably being safer. Less chances of defects although most probably wouldn't have a issue. But this way they'll be even more sure about not doing it. It's easier to gimp them all and sale them with the specs it has. Still looks attractive. But clocking is for your own discretion. Beats a recall you know. I say if you willing, test it, watch the temp, if things seems stable, roll with it I would assume.

 

Yes, but the key is to do it gradually, test, and then raise it a bit more.

Don't jump it up to where you think it will probably go right away.

 

when i get mine im just gunna wait til someone with experience o clocking tests these gpu;s capabilities out before i go messing with it with total noob skills

 

nah, you'll be fine.

 

Noob Skills FTW!!!!!

 

Since the Asus comes clocked at such speeds as it is, wouldn't it be perfectly safe to OC the Sager to match? Is 8 degrees that big of a deal?

 

The cards might be more different than you think. Not just the insides but the other parts. I think they use different motherboards. The extra RAM might affect the heat as well. I think you'd want to test your way up to be safe. Better safe than sorry right. Or if someone on the board came back with a safely reached number. That should work.

 

Agreed. Much better to have someone else take the risk and get back to us! I hope someone does so in the next week though, when it comes time for me to make my final choice...

 

It growing close for me too. Probably Monday, if I can get a budget forecast worked out this weekend.

Damn budget...But thanks to a new job its now big enough to even think about getting one.

 

+1

I still wanna see if its worth it to go asus for like 200 bucks more ... i cant decide. i hope the oclocking to "stock" speeds works out, then this thing should dominate the g1s, (with the same specs that is)

i hope

 

Agreed, we need to determine if the compal 90 can be safely OC to the speeds of the g1s. I for one, don't think it is capable of being OC by 300mhz. From 400 to 700 ( stock asus).

 

Truth be told, I don't think it's needs a full 300mhz to match performance. There isn't that much a difference in the test as is. So if you move it marginally you should be able to match performance before getting to 700mhz. <shrug>

 

But despite the underclocked video memory, who here believes the Sager NP2090 is right for them?

I do.

 

GOOD POINT why am i freaking out over tiny numbers... who wants to pay 300 extra for the flashing green LEDs on the g1s

 

Yeah, I was just looking at the G1S for the first time. Ugh, that is one ugly laptop. And the lights at the side? I grew out of that phase like five years ago.

 

Actually I think all I have to do is play with the config that's right for me and check my budget. I came from G1S to waiting for V1S to Dell announcement of the 1520 to thinking, this might just do the job. I think you can nudge the clock, and get better than G1 type performance. Probably more with a cooler.

 

I've ordered my NP2090 yesterday. I had given up on the G1S a while ago. Its looks, its price and the fact that it could not be bought without Windows were all serious issues as far as I'm concerned.

 

Where did the guy with the 2090 go? He needs to upload a few videos.

Like, now. Seriously.

 

Yes, please, that would be nice. Download FRAPS and show us some Oblivion.

 

Well, like someone else mentioned, after he's done all the benchmark tests, game stress tests, 3DMark tests, and various other tests, we want him to make us sandwiches too. Let's add videos to the fray, shall we?

Cut the guy some slack, he might be busy in RL which is always more important than Internet socializing.

 

You guys are getting sandwiches, but I'm getting fries. Fries are easier to make right?

Anyway, thanks for the information so far. Can't wait for my laptop. I'll definately try and get some videos of mine. Mine is probably going to arrive while I'm on vacation, but my parents will watch my baby for me.

 

Regarding the clocks, I suggest everyone read http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=135909 before deciding anything or OCing.

enjoy

And a thanks to minxshin

 

Here they OC'd it to almost 500 and it got 3800 in 3DMark06. I think the sites down right now.

 

I was thinking you wouldn't have to go all the way to 700 to match the card. I thought I saw something about someone going to 575mhz. <shrug>

 

Good job lost, thanks for the preview


As far as the system performance goes, I'm not sure you need to OC at all, it's not like 3DMark scores are anything but bragging rights, it's all about game performance, and to be honest instead of OCing you might be better off just lowering a few settings. Just like in a desktop OCing can lower the total life, and in notebook that has to be increased, I think I'd rather keep their stock speeds.

That's just my opinion though and what I can live with

 

i think someone may have mugged lost and took his 2090...thats why hes not posting anymore...

 

Maybe he mugged himself....and collected his insurance policy to buy more 2090s....

 

The site is back up and that's nice. He only has 1 gig of RAM in there at that. I think you can break 400 and probably not have to press memory as hard if you have more. Probably lower the GPU a little and nudge up the processor.

 

Try uploading to photobucket; larger photos are allowed there

 

The benchmarks were run at 1280x800 so not really all that impressive. You will need to go alot higher then 500mhz to break 4k at the standard resolution.

 

so,whats the standard resolution for laptops??
coz nowadays laptop screens are all wide anyway

 

I suppose 1200X800 for 15.4" notebooks...and 1440x900 for 17" notebooks since those are the resolutions you find if you get notebooks from places like Dell and Best Buy.

 

Bain, the reason people buy the Sager NP2090 or the other branded versions of the IFL90 is because you cannot get the higher resolutions when you buy mainstream laptops from BestBuy. BestBuy sells to the mainstream user and not the power user. You will find that most people here on the forum are power users ("enthusiasts") who are interested in more high end laptops than what they could find at BestBuy.

My point is to suggest that one should select resolutions comparable to what the chain discount stores offer has no relevance to the power user enthusiast.