Sager 5760 (aka Clevo M570U) Announced!

Since they will not begin shipping until about June 7th it is premature for a review...nobody has one yet

 

I just ordered the Sager 5760 from www.powernotebooks.com
Was very pleased with the speedy and friendly responses from Donald.

I have purchased the following:

Needless to say I am very excited and can hardly wait to get this great laptop. Was I right in choosing this Sager? I will most likely post some form of a review once I recieve the laptop and have time to use and test it all out.

 

Thanks you guys. I guess I was just kind of hoping that the review crew here at the forum might get a "preview" and hence be able to review the 5760 sooner. I drool at the prospect of getting one for myself.

 

Well, technically there is a review of this already.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2006/04/14/rock_xtreme_ctx_notebook/1.html

It is off the Rockdirect.com XtremeCTX.
But they are practically just rebranded Clevo M570U.
This is the specs of the system that got reviewed by bit-tech.net last April 14.

* 2.16GHz Intel Core Duo T2600 processor
* 1GB Corsair 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM
* ATi Mobility Radeon X1800XT graphics
* 17in WUXGA X-Glass TFT (1,920 x 1,200)
* 100GB Hitachi 7,200rpm hard disk
* Sony DW-Q58A dual-layer DVD-RW
* Gigabit LAN, 802.11a/b/g Intel Pro Wireless, Bluetooth
* Realtek HD 7.1 audio
* Windows XP Home, Roxio, Works v8, Bullguard
* Three-year collect-and-return warranty​

Please note that this is revieweed with the ATI X1800XT 256mb as the Video card.
Most Sager 5760 (aka Clevo M570U) now has the Nvidia 7900GTX 256mb as its default card and is a slightly better card than the ATI X1800XT 256mb.

(I wish it has the ATI X1900XTX myself )

and Chris583 welcome to the Pre-order club

 

Thanks Kilim,

I read that one already though. I'm on the fence about a few options, so maybe waiting for reviews are in the cards for me anyway.

 

I will definitely post my initial review of the 5760 when I get it.
My plan is to 1st checkout that everything is running right and post a Benchmark of it from 3dmark05, 3dmark06, PCmark05, SuperPI and HDTune.
(Going to use the free versions of course)
I would try the mobilemark also but I do not have it nor plan or buying it as it cost $200 to get

But ya, I will more than likely post the initial benchmarks and status and possibly update as I use it.

 

Thanks man! I'm really excited to get this beast.

The estimated 1-1.5 hour battery life of the 8 cell battery, do you think that is how estimated with just normal viewing, word processing, and surfing the web...or more intensive tasks.

I wonder if the laptop would be be able to sustain itself longer, like other notebooks when screen brightness is lowered. Luckly mine will mostly be plugged in but to be honest I am using this notebook as my college all in one PC for school work, Gaming, Photoshop, etc. I will bring it to classes where I can use battery or plug in if really neccessary...either way this laptop is the most powerful for the price, and truely the desktop replacement I was looking for. Now to pick up the perfect priced dvi LCD to accompany this notebook when in room. I already have wireless mouse and keyboard so I can use a primary external LCD and turn notebook into desktop, or open it back up and possibly have dual screens.

Sager for the win.

 

I really wish I have a copy of MobileMark2005 so I can check out the real stats on the 5760's battery life when I get it.
Unfortunately its too expnsive for me to justify to buy it
Hoepfully soemone can post a good review with MobileMark on it later on.

 

Clevo has finally put the M570U on their site:
http://www.clevo.com.tw/products/M570U.asp

In the supported processor list, the Core 2 Duo is documented:

Fantastic.

Chaz

 

Hmm it looks like some Processors are greyed out.
But I actually ONLY care about the non-greyed out ones, specificly the T7200 2.0ghz Merom?

OMG!
... does that mean ...
... does it?
<faints>

 

Query: when will the end-of-month price-reductions on the Core Duo filter into the supply-chain and will they be greater than the $100 early-order discount??? I am going to pull the trigger within the next couple of days but a $200 price drop on the cpu vs. a $100 rebate for an early-order has created a bit of a conundrm (and yeah, I am willing to spend $2k on 2x2GB dimms)...mostly curiosity...

 

Uhm.. why the excitement over this Clevo.. in the Sager forum.. Clevo is made for Sager?

The Rock looks like the same notebook too..

 

The anticipated price drop of the Core Duo processors on May 28th is ALREADY included in the Pre-order price of the 5760.
This is the main reason why the 5760 is going to be shipped AFTER the price drop occurs.
This info also has already been added in the original post in this thread.

With that knowledge, this gives anyone interested in buying the 5760 a good reason to buy now instead of later if the specs they want is already available.
(Unless you are willing to play the waiting game for the 7900GTX 512mb to "supposedly" be available by July ... and then of course there is also the long wait for Merom)

And OMG willing to pay $2k for total of 4GB RAM (2x2gb)?!?!
Can you be my daddy?

Most Sager laptops are just rebranded Clevo's.
the XtremeCTX by Rockdirect.com are also rebranded Clevo M570U.

Many Boutique shops and resellers get their systems from the Original Design Manufacturer? (ODM).
The ODM then sells them to resellers like Sager, Rockdirect, Alienware, VoodooPC, etc.
The resellers then mark the systems down to what they feel like and also add whatever touch they may want to it (ie: Alieneyes by Alienware, custom paint job by VoodooPC, etc.)

This is why you can usually get the best deal in price if you find a highly rated reseller selling the same type of laptop for less.

Example:
The Alienware M7700, VoodooPC Envy u-709, Sager 9750 are just rebranded Clevo D900K.
Of course the Alienware and voodooPC are astronomicly more expensive than the Sager and its the exact same machine.
If you want a custom paintjob for your laptop, you can still save TONS of money by going to a place like SmoothCreations to get a 1 of a kind custom paintjob for your laptop and buying your Clevo from another reseller.

 

Kilim has pretty much nailed it LazloInSF...except that Sager, Alienware et. al. are OEMs not resellers (see http://www.powernotebooks.com/articles/index.php?action=fullnews&id=17)

Sager knew they wouldn't be shipping until after the price drop, so all of the NP5760 pricing already has the new processor pricing in it. Just look at the increase for the 2.0GHz over the 1.83GHz for example.

So, the only thing you will see happen to NP5760 pricing is that the $100 will go away on June 1st.

The rest of the Sager models will begin reflecting the new processor pricing after the close of business this Friday the 26th.

 

Thanx Kilim and Donald...will be getting my order in before Friday COB...

And Kilim: need that much memory for an app I am designing / engineering in the development phase (while traveling) -- in production it will grab many multiples of that when it starts up -- and the RAM is being bought w/ OPM (Other People's Money)....

 

I just love it when anyone says OPM........that is my favorite kind to spend

 

My wife says the same thing :budget:
Too bad for her OPM means my wallet

 

Question:

Does anyone know if the Audigy ZS PCI notebook card issue with the 5720 has been resolved for the 5760?
I remember a few people posting complaints about its incompatibility with the 5720 due to some sort of chipset incompatibility.

 

Since no one has an NP5760 yet it has not been tested with that PC card, however with the onboard audio system, there is REALLY no reason to use that card anyway.

Kilim...did you miss my Semper Fi earlier...? Let's just say that my "conflict" was the Cuban missle crisis...do you remembe what year that was?

 

Cool.
I have a Logitech Z5500 5.1 THX Speaker system in my apartment so would like to take full advantage of it
I think I read soemwhere actually that the 5760 is using a differnt chipset or soemthing for the sound, so it should be not incompatible for those planning to use an Audigy Z Notebook card.
Also, the Onboard Audio for the 5760 is diffrnt or bttr thna the on in the 5720?


@Semper Fi

OMG, I don't think I was born around that time nor my mom out of HS.
I just turned 30 this last March, had a limo take me, my wife and a coupel peopel to Mideaval Times in NJ an then got silly afterwards

I do kinda miss the USMC.
I think its the comraderie I miss the most.
Life is just too boring in "Reality".
But I got other hobbies now to hopefully keep m occupied

PS:
Did you ever get to see Chesty Puller or Archibald Henderson?

 

Both the NP5720 and NP5760 use the ALC880 Audio CODEC / WOW ASP supported by the Azalia High Definition audio on the Intel chipset. Therefore I hold to my position that the Audigy card will not give better audio performance, particularly since both Sager models have 4 Multi-purpose audio jacks for complete 7.1 surround sound performance. The Audigy card is only useful for laptops with inferior audio...and that cannot be said of these Sager models.

OORAH!

All former Marines miss the comraderie I think...well most of us anyway.

Chesty Puller spoke to us one year on the Marine Corps birthday...what an amazing man. Now the Archibald Henderson (Commandant from 1820-1858) comment REALLY HURTS...that would make me over 100 years old

Now, please don't hold it against me just because I am "slighty" past youth...but no where near the century mark

 

Ok, so the sound card is good.
How about the speakers?
compared to a Toshiba Qosmio for example or any other with good subwoofers?
In a word, will the sound come out nice and deep or the usual laptop tincan?

 

The sound out of any laptop simply cannot match a GOOD set of speakers or headphones (none of that cheap stuff now...). It just doesn't make much sense to have that powerful of an audio system and not use good speakers or headphones except for business productivity applications. If you are looking for excellent sound...always go external.

Also, see Chazman's post at http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=1398069#post1398069

 

Ok, thanks for thelink, I knew that, but I'm interested in the inbuilt speaker quality, for multimedia presentations, and ocassions where external speakers are unavailable.

 

The SRS WOW technology built-in to the NP5760 is very nice; the sound systems seem to be pretty much standard across the Sager higher-end notebooks (Intel High-Definition). What the SRS does is it boosts the sound outward, creating virtual surround sound. It works very well. I don't use my internal speakers often, but when I do, they are pretty good for a laptop.

 

At least I didn't ask if you was part of the offensive against the Barbary Pirates in the "Shores of Tripoli"
Or if you was there reveling with brew in hand in Tun Tavern in Philadelphia.
Just playing with ya, just had a brainstorm on good ole USMC History.
(To those that didn't know, the USMC was born in a bar called Tun Tavern in Philadelphia )

As for the Sound of the 5760.
That is excellnt to hear.
I really doubt I will have my sound blasting when I use my laptop at work, where I spend most of my game time lol.
But its good to know that when I start gaming in other places I can have good sound quality

 

Any word on battery life or noise level?

Also, different sites give different weights. The official Sager site says 7.5lbs, but other sites say as much as 9lbs.

 

Our calibrated digital scales weighed the NP5720 in at 9.4 pounds...count on it.

Does anyone ask what the noise level is on a Maserati? If you are pushing it to the max while gaming you can expect it to have the fans going full blast and it will be noisy. If you are just typing or surfing it doesn't make much noise at all.

 

Given that the 5760 has the same cooling as the 5720 did, take a look at some of the reviews for that model and see what they say about the noise level. Do a thread search for 5720 and a few reviews should pop up. We also have an 'official' aka front page review on this site as well; use the search function at the way top right to find that.

 

Just wanted to thank Chaz, Paladin, and Kilim, for all their hard work and willingness to share valuable information with all of us (I have learned a lot thanks to you three).

Just gave you all rep points but have no idea how exactly it works...

 

So the sound quality itself will be good, but I read that the 5720 had a background hiss from an overdriven amp IC. Will the 5760 have that too? Or power supply noise?

Are the 8 output channels independantly usable in software, or only usable for surround applications? It'd be really nice to have a set of channels for each virtual deck and one for cue, when DJing.

I know the 5760 isn't even here yet but I'm merely asking for speculation based on te 5720.

 

I was also wondering about that hiss.. whether it had been corrected.
Guess we won't know until Paladin gets one in stock that he can play wi.. i mean, TEST.

 

The 5720 issue was never a confirmed issue as it would change with different head phone sets. That is it depended on what external device the user was using, and it was not an issue inherent with the NP5720 itself. This is why I have said in previous posts to use GOOD external speakers or headsets (no cheap stuff!)

The software question "Are the 8 output channels independantly usable in software, or only usable for surround applications? It'd be really nice to have a set of channels for each virtual deck and one for cue, when DJing." depends totally on the capability of the software. If it is able to direct 1 deck to the front channel, and 1 deck to the rear channel and so on, then the NP5760 (or NP5720) will obey those commands.

 

Question:

Does the 5760 USB/Firewire ports able to power USB/Firewire powered peripherals?
I am guessing yes but just want a confirmed answer.
I am planning to buy an External HDD and planning on it to be powered by either the USB port or Firewire and NOt with a power adapter for portabilities sake.

 

Laptops almost never power IEEE 1394 ports (Firewire is an Apple/Mac term) on the theory that their battery life is too precious. That is why you almost always see 4 pin ports instead of 6 pin ports on laptops.

However they do power USB ports.

 

Being that this is the first time I've ordered a laptop, I havn't thought of this before...

I just looked at the wrist-rest on my keybord for my desktop and realized what my wrists have done to it rubbing for months on end.

Has anyone created somthing like a clear plastic square that can be appled to the two wrist-resting areas on either side of the touchpad so my wrists wont wear down the texture of the plastic to shiny patches or even worse, rub off the paint?

 

It will come with a plastic protector. If you want to use that, just don't remove it. It should last for a while.

 

I have a question. Are the 8 (?) audio output jacks on the 5760 able to handle different external speaker systems? For example, can it handle 2.1, 5.1, and 7.1?

I had a laptop dock that had 5.1 outputs but could ONLY do 5.1. I really wanted to use my Monsoon 2.1 system that I really liked but couldn't.

I do remember Chaz mentioning running 2.1 on his 5320, so I'm guessing it works that way, but thought I'd ask.

 

It has 8 Channel output w/o External Decoder - 4 multi-function audio ports (see the Specifications), but yes they will handle all up to the 7.1 speaker system.

 

Thanks yet again Paladin!

 

Paladin,

I was just wondering about the feasibility of the Merom processors being worked into the NP5760 anywhere near their release in August. I know it's always a matter of getting it to work with the product first, and therefore impossible to predict a timetable--but do you have any rough estimates on that end?

 

There is about as good of a chance of that happening as there is that you will actually see the Merom shipping or on any shelves by August.

Folks, the probability that Merom will be anything other than a "paper" release by the end of August is very remote.

 

Paladin,

Thanks for the quick answer. I guess I should have worded my question better. What I really meant was this: Does Sager tend to work new technology in quickly as is it is released (regardless of any unforeseen delays, etc.) or are they relatively slow adapters?

I know speculation is all I can hope for but with your expertise and experience, I would love to hear your take on this.

 

Since Sager gets their machines from Clevo, it depends on how fast they pick up new stuff. Release dates for machines with newer technology lag a bit with non-major vendors for a number of reasons, but it's not that far behind.

Chaz

 

Sager has always been at the edge of the envelope with new technology so they are almost never behind anyone else when it comes to actually shipping new technology. While Dell and others may advertise it and start taking orders sooner than Sager, rarely get beat to the shipping dock.

 

Ok, thanks Paladin & Chaz,

Your comments make a lot of sense. I can always count on you guys!

 

Check this latest article out in this same website:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=1405326#post1405326

Here are some info that looks interesting to me:

And also let us not forget what is shown in Clevo's website about the M570U Specifications:
http://www.clevo.com.tw/products/M570U.asp

It pretty much shows in the Clevo M570U site the T7200 as a possible NON-Greyed-out option
It looks like we may be surprised by a possible upgrade in our future

 

Thanks Kilim! You always have your finger on the pulse of information when it comes to your soon-to-be delivered baby.

Any idea if the NP5670 is MXM or not? Just thought you would have researched this...

 

It is not MXM, but it is still easily swappable by the end user.

 

TBH I do not know what MXM means
But thank god Paladin is around to answer that.

Im only human you know ;p