Sager NP579x Fan Firmware Updated

Updating the firmware will have to wait one more day,I just got back from college and I don`t have any blank cd`s.And it`s too late to go get another one,so tomorrow I think I`ll film the whole update thing so that the diference between the noise will be on the same reference point.

 

eleron911: Argh! Still waiting for that youtube video before ill throw in the firmware

Dont wanna throw out what ever firmware that is installed if it will make the noise worse

 

Indeed. My new NP5793 had 07.Sg installed. Functions fn-1 and fn-3 seemed to work fine. Nevertheless I upgraded to the 07.Sh version. I didn't notice differences yet...

 

Ok guys, I should have a video up and running pretty soon.
Initial estimates: BiG improvement from .g version, way quieter.

 

ok now where do i download the new firmware from? I have the 2nd fan firmware but this newer one sounds like a good one...anyone gotta link?

edit: ahh nevermind i found it ....

 

Bad news guys. The fans stay locked in medium mode again. I went in a gaming run and they stay at medium
Good part is that they are actually quieter now.
As soon as youtube allows me, the video link will be provided.

EDIT : youtube messed up, there is no sound on the video,and I deleted the movie .
Well, here`s my conclusion. IT IS THE QUIETEST version so far.
No vibration,no other problems as such appart from ...
IT DOES NOT REVERT TO AUTO/FULL when gaming. I noticed huge temperatures again after pressing FN+3 and gaming.
Grrrr, I can`t believe they released yet another version that could lead to overheating issues!
But it`s quiet .

 

Trial and error? This has not been funny for a while but thats good news

But yea... just one last issue to sort out then?

 

I supose. But I only run med mode when I want just to browse or work on the laptop.
But there might be others who can forget. And it is released by sager,so if something goes wrong, ie. overheating and such,it`s basically their fault.

 

So why not use Fn+1 when gaming and Fn+3 when not gaming?

That is the way it is designed to be used...otherwise we wouldn't need Fn+1.

 

Well, since I`m getting old, what if I forget that I`m running fn3 mode, or I do not want to run full blast as it is noisy as hell,what then?
The fans should revert to auto or full mode WHEN TEMPS INCREASE without user input.
I mean, if they can force the fan speed at that threshold,why not simply allow the users to make their own speeds,depending on their system,and set a "global cancellation of the med speed forcing" mode for all systems?
I have to wonder what those engineers at Clevo are thinking.
They designed some of the best cooling systems in a laptop and now they deliberately force the fans to STAY at low rpm,causing overheating.
I`m utterly confused :twitcy:

 

Make it a problem...or make it a solution...it is your choice :wub:

 

Well, I already turned it into a problem, it`s up to Sager to MAKE the solution,since all the users here have different systems, different GPUs,different threshold for the fans to kick in.
I mean come on, I`m idling at 30/26 CPU, 32C GPU. I can definitely run an even lower rpm fan thing.If they would just let me.
But they have to unstuck the med speed thing.
Once again, I apreciate they`re doing this.
My laptop starts getting better and better because of Sager

 

Well it seems that is getting closer to a final version

But indeed, some sort of security for it not to overheat. So like said before, an absolute threshold, for a specific temp, lets say 70° or something and it should be forced on full or something when running med, or revert to auto when hitting >60 for 5 secs or so. Any combination, which will make a build in safty for us "stuppid" users Must admit that im afraid that I could forget having it on Med and just begin gaming like crazy

 

I forgot it and hit 70C for the CPU,and it got me worried. I never pass 66C for the CPU, and 68C for the GPU.
I MEAN NEVER.
But with med fans,well,it went to 73C(GPU).Thank God I was curios enough to check the temps when playing UT3 and remembered about the fans.As soon as I hit Fn+1 temps went to 64C (CPU) and 59C(GPU) .Full blast definitely doest the job,although I can`t hear myself speaking after that :laugh:

 

Hehe, and thats why we NEED that extra security It could easily had been me and I would probably not have been curios enough to check temps

 

Im not sure what you guys are asking for? A firmware update that keeps the fans quiet and on low but also keeps the GP and CPU cool at the same time?? This obviously can not happen. Why not use the loa-medium fans, use vista power manager and use 1/2 your cpu for browsing, and your machine will be pretty quiet. Whne gaming use fn + 1. I dont understand why this is so hard for you guys to understand. If you want a SILENT machine get an EEE pc or something!

 

I guess it`s hard for you to understand what we are saying. But hey,that`s you.
You got it all wrong and you`re the one who`s pissed off? It`s your problem if you want to worship the laptop,leave the rest of us to try and improve it.If you have nothing constructive to say,don`t say it.
But since I am a nice guy, I`ll put it in plain English for you:
We want a firmware that keeps the noise level as the one rendered by the .h version of the firmware ,and REVERTS to full/auto mode when temps increase.
Easy enough for you?or is it so hard to understand?or maybe you did not notice that if you set fn+3 mode,browse,then start a game, the fans` speed does not increase to compensate for the heat?

 

Well, they have done it in earlier versions, so they should be able to get that part working again, atleast I hope, just for safty precausion, as I would rather not having yet another lappy that dies to overheating (Well its very unlikely but still), because I forgets to push fn+1 or restart after using fn+3.

If they can't get it to revert to auto as earlier, atleast they should be able to make a threshold where it will override and kick full speed, IMO it should just be adding a line in the end of the fn+3 cycle that states it to go 100% fan speed if lets say temp goes over 65° for 3 secs or just as simple as if temp goes over 70°, kick to full fanspeed, that would atleast make sure, that no one by accident fries their lappy

 

As somebody who studied programming, I really have to agree with you on this one. It should be a matter of a few more coding lines,but you also have to take into account the sensors,data acquisition,translation etc.
Man, I wish I knew low-level programming right about now...

 

Don't worry people, they are working on it but it hasn't been released yet because it is still being debugged.
EDIT: Oops! I am claiming "brain cramp". I answered the wrong question here...I was answering the question of when will the 45nm Quads be available in the NP9262.
The correct answer for the fan firmware is that in Fn+3 mode the trigger point to spin up to high speed is greater than 70C. It IS there, and will kick in long before there is any danger of overheating. It is designed this way for more quiet operation so that they don't kick on high until they really need to.

eleron911, I would recommend learning how to use the space bar before worrying about learning low-level programming :wink:

 

I use the space bar! My good old friend said it`s the final frontier of the keyboard . :twitcy:

 

Indeed, that would be quite handy

Atleast then, we could have a chance giving them a coded example of what we are looking for

 

Wait, wait, I have a space-bar around here somewheres! Ah, here it is:


We better get back on the straight-n-narrow before our "artwork" gets deleted for being too OT!

In terms of the subject that is presently on the table for discussion, to wit: the fan firmware, has any thought been given to whether or not the problems might be due in part to physical limitations in the fan itself? It may be that the motor only takes voltage changes in steps (making it a cheap fan), and that working around that is taking a lot more creativity than just a few more lines of code?

 

Artwork *ummmmhh*

That sounds nice Looking forward to the release

 

No seriousely, I`m making a call to anyone with programming experience or firmware editing.
All I need is some pointers,and I`ll play with my own laptop...
I just realised, almost 25% of the posts in this topic belong to me.
I must be a fan fan,get me?

 

Oops! I am claiming "brain cramp". I answered the wrong question here as you can see from my edit of my original post which was intended to answer the question about 45nm Quads in the NP9262.

The correct answer for the fan firmware is that in Fn+3 mode the trigger point to spin up to high speed is greater than 70C. It IS there, and will kick in long before there is any danger of overheating. It is designed this way for more quiet operation so that they don't kick on high until they really need to.

So, eleron911, can we give this a rest now?

 

No.
I just did a quick test with UT3 , CPU hit 81C and GPU hit 74C and the fans did not change. How do you explain that?
81C for the CPU is the danger zone for me . And steps away from overheating.

 

Great work with the space bar !!

Keep going...don't forget the processor has its own danger zone and will shut off when it hits it so there is no danger of doing damage...it will protect itself.

 

I don`t want it to shut off, it means that the fans allowed it to go into critical mode.
And that means overheating.
That`s why the fans are there,to kick in when needed,not just as a final step before shutdown. I think what I`m asking is justified.I don`t wanna browse on fn+3, then game,and 20min later poof , shutdown.
It`s a gaming laptop,not an old woman

 

Give it a rest man...

If you want to game, use the default mode or Fn+1 mode.

You are correct in that this is a high powered machine and as such you need to change the gears according to the power zone in which you want to operate.

I think maybe YOU might be the old woman here...not the laptop

Bottom line is Sager/Clevo is done revising the firmware and considers it to be operating as designed.

 

So you`re saying that it`s designed to need manual fan adjustments for gaming , on a gaming laptop? Fine then, I`ll take that as it is.

 

I think paladin44 already stated that they are working on a new driver currently. That should settle it shouldn`t it?

Sorry to interrupt you guys but I have another question concerning the fans. Its rather offtopic but well, I go for it anyways...

Since I live in a rather hot/humid environment I wanted to ask if you ever utilized additional nb-coolers like the zalman nc-2000 etc. I am thinking about getting one to get additional cooling.
Actually where does the NP5793 take the air in and where does it blows the heated air out? Thank you very much for your help guys.

Lets start and pull on the rope in the same direction again

Paendrag

 

Paendrag, please re-read my posts #470, #476 and #480

I have never felt the need for a cooler, but you may well find one useful in your climate. I would still recommend waiting until you have used the NP5793 before deciding whether to buy one.

Air is brought in through the bottom and exhausted out the back. For detailed pictures please see our Picture Gallery

 

Must say that im with eleron911 here, I dont see why it is intented, that it is allowed to raise beyond 80°C, which I would consider pretty high and yes, ive had PLENTY overheating issuses before and I will not stand by seeing this turning in to yet another overheating lappy. Just because the firmware is intented to let it raise beyond 80°... For me 80°C is critical, and there it should by no mean get to, EVER, with the cooling system it got.

Yet I havent seen mine jump beyond 60°C and would not like to see it pass 70° (Still haven't installed any other firmware, than what it got from factory). And if fans dont jump even if it reaches that high, there really must be something thats not right... Atleast I wount be using it...

I appreciate the time clevo/sager/whoever is envolved is putting in to this, but really, you cant expect users to remember which mode they are on, specially when there are no way seeing it (other than hearing).

paladin44: Dont want to be a pain in the arse, but can you then tell something about when it will force the fans higher ?

Edit: I just dont want another fried lappy from Clevo

 

@paladin44

I am a moron. Sorry. Should read throughly before posting...

I am getting my Sager NP5793 soon. Hope it won`t fry when temps here are rising beyond 35 degree celcius... but I guess I am playing anyways only in the evenings after work...

I`ll get a nb-cooler. Even if the diffence is only 3-5 degrees, I think this investment won`t be a wrong one...it gets really quite hot here...

And thanks for the pics...

Paendrag

 

Well I dont really fear that it will fry, but just for safety, it would have been nice with a threshold, that would override any user input

Just this time ill rather be safe than sorry But if you remember to shift or if you dont use fn+3, I doubt that you would EVER get close to overheating, the cooling system this notebook got, is surprime

 

I have used a Zalman NC1000 in the past with my nx9420 and it worked pretty awesome.
But remember,AS5 ,cleaning the laptop and placing it on a solid surface are among the best things you can do to keep it cool.
@M3z3iAs , Paladin44 already stated that Sager intended to let the temperature go up to 80C , so they must know what they`re doing, otherwise they wouldn`t have released yet another firmware that forces medium speed permanently

 

Ok, are you ready for this??

We have stepped over one of the improvements with the latest fan firmware. Please do another test with the default setting (no Fn adjustment) and let me know how you like the way it works now. I think you will find that it does not ramp up and down like a Yo-Yo anymore

 

I just tried the new firmware and that seems to be true
Thanks for pointing that out - the new default is better than the extreme ramping.

 

so the fans have no fn + 1, 3 now with the new firmware? They stay on medium all the time? What are the gpu, cpu temps now after this during gaming, encoding??

 

That is not at all what I said.

Fn+1 and Fn+3 are still there to do what they were designed to do. It is just that the default setting has been adjusted as well.

The point is you now have 3 gears from which to choose, and you should try them all to find what works best for you.

 

Thanks Paladin

@eleron,

Can you pm me all the links to ur vids so that i can add them to the faq?

 

Sounds like good news then ?

 

@Hkman , I don`t think my earlier videos can help somebody buy the 579x, it might scare the ones who don`t understand.The fact of the matter is that the unit is awesome,but the earlier firmwares were terrible.
Donald is right. Once the gpu fan kicks in, it doesn`t stop. So no more ramping up and down like a yo-yo It`s nothing personal Donald, but I am very picky and I expect top quality from the places I know I can get it.And Sager has done nothing but amaze me once more with their interest in customers.
However, hkman if you want, I`ll do another video tday,about how the new firmware behaves, and we`ll call that the deciding factor,neh? `cause for me, temperatures,noise level and quality factor are more than satisfactory
Granted , you have to switch between the speeds,but who knows, maybe in the future one firmware will fix all of that.

 

I'd love to see a new video myself!

 

sorry, little off topic, but how do you actually install these drivers? I read that you gotta "flash" it. I found guides on how to flash BIOS, but not this firmware.
Wouldnt want to break anything, does anyone have step by step guide on how to do this?

thanks

 

I'd like to know also.
Also with this firmware is the 5793 finally quiet enough to use in a library to just browse???
Thanks.

 

Go back and read posts #47 and #48 for installation instructions

 

Just 'cause it's the weekend and I'm goofing off and playing around with doing tricks on posts, and since this thread is now almost 500 posts long, here are the two referenced posts:

• Post #47: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=2908048&postcount=47
• Post #48: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=2908048&postcount=48

Okey-dokey everyone?

 

Yes, you can use it in libraries also now.At first,people may notice you,but the low level speed of the fans quickly blends in the background.
I wouldn`t take into a church or monastery though
I`ll upload the video tomorrow,since I don`t have my USB cable for the camera,I`ve had to lend it to my girlfriend for some cave and stuff pictures.