Sager NP579x Fan Firmware Updated

So unless I'm reading it wrong, auto mode is now the better mode to use, since it has the slow fan speed of medium but it also no longer ramps up and down?

Sounds like perfection. Can't wait for the summer.

 

Yes that is right. Auto mode uses the medium mode when starting and adapts to gaming.

 

Thanx for clearing that up and yea i did

Just coz i dont post spam all over the place and have 1000+ posts != "not..very active"

 

Now now... stop attacking eleron!

 

Well, im not the happy trigger poster type either

Also, not every day I got the time to spare to jump by the forums

@Warrior1986 - Indeed, the new automode is all im using Might be using the fn+1 when putting it through some extensive MatLAB calculations, but other than that, automode is the one to go for

 

back to the firmware, does anyone have any hard facts about the latest firmware, such as what exactly the functionality is at what thresholds?

I'm looking for like:

FN+1 toggle state 1= 12,000,000 rpm all day long
FN+1 toggle state 2= 3,000 rpm until thermal hits 60C then 6,000 rpm

something like that.. I asked sager, but i got the description of the previous firmware releases, and no data, just curious if one of you nice and helpful resellers knows

 

I dunno dude. I don`t really care how they work as long as they keep quiet in normal operations.
But you`re more likely to get a 1/2 fan speed at the beginning and pretty much NEVER full speed,unless you force it.

 

This is a great thread, I just bought an M57RU here in Oz and I was astounded by the silly fan behaviour. Pretty bummed out as it was terribly distracting using this machine for work in the office.

But after reading this, I tried the Fn options and yep mine has the "constant mid-speed" fan option, which is great! Seems like it's the version before 'h' from what I've read. The default setting still yo-yo's up and down.

However my only complaint is that the fan used for this constant-mid setting is a very whiny-sounding fan! It has this high-pitched sound that really grates. Why couldn't they use the other, more quiet fan for the constant mode? Or is this just my lappy's fan and I should get it looked at?

 

You can update to h you know to get rid of the yo yo.

 

Also, for everyone viewing Elerons Videos, be sure to take note that the videocam picks up more noise usually than our ears

 

Hmmm.... good point... but it was really silent!!

 

I'll add to the current firmware release love, I just installed it, upgrading from a version before this thread was even around.

It sounds great, no more ramping up, although honestly the sound before didn't bother me too much. You can still hear it, but it's more of a constant, quiet hissing with no whine.

 

Cool, so does that mean it's only the "primary" fan that is now on constant? I mean the one that starts up when you first turn the machine on. That's the quiet one, it seems.

The whiny fan is a secondary one which kicked in on top of the first one... so there were often two going, one whiny and one fairly quiet.

Is that the case? That would be very good indeed! I wanted to put a matchstick into that damn whiny fan!

 

I guess so, I haven't really noticed the difference between the two fans, except sometimes a fan would speed up for several seconds causing a slight whine. This no longer happens.

 

gah.. been trying to find links to download the firmware, but can't find any. Where is everyone getting theirs from?

 

Try the supportpage on www.sagernotebook.com -> http://www.sagernotebook.com/information.php?information_id=7

Now click on NP5792/3

then scroll down to the fan firmware, all the way at bottom of the window

 

The whine you people mention is from the CPU fan. The CPU can get hot or cold in a matter of seconds/minutes,whereas the GPU cools /heats up slower.

 

I just received my M571RU-U today, installed everything and the new firmware... fn+3 gives a slight whine, but i guess like eleron said it's the cpu fan. pushing fn+1 gives two options - one is hardly noticeable and the other is full blast? am i correct in saying that or is it auto and full?

 

One is auto,one if full blast.
If you OC , I recommend playing on full blast. It`s safer and the lifespan of the laptop will not decrease.
I only use full blast when I run CPU intensive games, like UT3 for example, since the GPU stays well at 65-66C on auto mode

 

I don't think i will OC, plus the games i play should not be too intensive, fn+3 should be fine (what's this mode called?)

also is there anyway i can see the fans rpm's in Windows? Everest doesn't seem to report them, neither does GPUZ..

 

Mine also... is that a bad temp? What's a healthy temp for the GPU?

 

Healthy is anywhere below 75C if you`re not cleaning it on a regular basis(every 6 months of so) and 85C if you clean it monthly and reapply AS5 every few months.

 

do you mean by "clean" is to dust off the inner of the notebook??

 

By clean I mean more than one thing:
-do not eat near your laptop
-do not smoke near it
-do not take it in a dust prone zone,like where there are construction sites or in the desert
-do not keep it on a fabric,they tend to acumulate dust and the fans would absorb it.
-clean the fans and the vents areas as those are the ones with the most dust on it.

Also as reminders :
-keep the back of the laptop raised some 2-3 inches so that the air under the laptop,which goes inside via the fans would not be warm
-always keep the laptop on a solid surface, if possible on a notebook cooler(yes,raised also)
-monitor your temps especially if you game a lot.
-re-apply AS5 every few month to ensure longer lifespan of the laptop
-don`t drop it,scratch it,or abuse it. It`s an electronic device and they are prone to disaster without proper maintenance.
That should help to have a laptop for a few years,4 or more.

 

That's a sobering thought... spending over $3k for four years of use.

 

Isn`t it? I`d like all my laptops to last for thousands of years,so that humanity will know how Eleron911 took care of his laptops and made sure the right firmware was available

 

2 thousand years in the future, two people stand over an excavation...

"Hey, I think I found something here, Zorbon". He brushes off some dirt, revealing a somewhat polished, aluminum surface. "It has some sort of label" After spitting on his thumb, he gently rubs away, revealing some archaic letters. "Sa..ger. What does that mean? What is this thing?"

"Well, Cluteus, as you know I happen to be somewhat of an expert on ancient civilizations. See the lack of dust, dirt, and a general aura of cleanliness about this item, even after being buried for thousands of years? It's obviously something the primitive humans used to eat food off of. "Sager" was most likely the name of the person who owned it".

 

lol.. but we can at least be sure that WoW will still be backward compatible with last-millennium's PCs.

 

antic with the newest firmware is your sager all good for use in quite rooms?...

im thinking of picking it up from P4laptops but i'm scared it will be 2 noisy for class and may be forced to go with the hot little m15x alienware

 

Well, just my opinion, but at 17" and the weight, it's not an easy thing to carry around. IF you're going to be very mobile with it, I'd suggest a 15" laptop, and perhaps one not so expensive, unless it's insured. But that's just me.

This is really a desktop replacement machine, or something for enthusiasts and LAN gamers, where you care more about how it performs than how loud or heavy it is.

That being said, I'm on the 07Sg firmware still, and it's kind of quiet... the fan, while running fairly gently with Fn+3, unfortunately generates a kind of high pitched background buzz which I find a bit annoying. Not sure, but possibly replacing the fan with a better quality one might fix that. Clevo definitely have room for using better fans.

I'd say noise-wise it's acceptable, but just barely. The slight buzz might bother some people. Took a while for me to get used to it, though knowing they could do better is annoying in itself.

 

i wonder if a retailer like Xoticpc would throw in a better fan for a nominal fee. That would surely make it an easier sell and calm most worries

 

- antic:
have you not tried the 07Sh one? Automode should be fixed for that one - you dont have to actually use Fn+1 or Fn+3. And I think I remember that other people talked also about a buzz with 07Sg, but not with 07Sh.
Maybe give it a try, see if you like it better

 

I guess I'm kinda reluctant in case I prefer the current Sg mode. If someone has the Sg ISO file, I'd greatly appreciate it, just in case I want to go back. Or am I able to back up the current firmware somehow with a tool?

 

the new firmware is perfect man, its all you need, very quiet with fn + 3... try it

 

the auto mode for me still goes up and down even when i leave the laptop doing nothing? fn+3 is ok at times but i like the quieter auto mode but without the ramping up and down of the fans... its suppose to be eliminated with the new firmware but it appears to still go up and down.

 

arenji, you took the words right off my keyboard.

Just installed 07Sh from 07Sg and there's no difference. Fn+1 still ramps up and down, even does a cute little "rowwr" like a cat, as the small fan kicks in with a burst before it settles to an even speed.

In a word - I hate this crap! Fn+3 is no different to last vers. The problem with Fn+3 is that the fan is noisy! No way around it, these fans are the noisiest, whiniest things I've ever heard on a laptop. Almost as whiny as me.

Seriously, if I realised the fans on this thing were going to be so buzzy, neutotic and annoying, I'd have thought very hard about buying this. That's just me though, as I need to do a lot of normal office work with this. Non-office/non-library people will be more interested in performance, which of course it has in spades. It's just very noisy about it!

A good explanation of the background buzz of the fan on Fn+3, is like the slight hum of a fluoro tube - once you notice it, it won't go away and will drive you mad. Mad I say! :twitcy:

 

I don't think i could take this into a library, i guess this was expected with a machine as powerful as this inside a light weight chassis (for a 17")... It's not noisy as in unbearable but it could take time to get use to, one thing i can say is that the cooling system is great on this machine, the graphics card got to as low as 37C even on idle, which is unheard of for me - in comparison to my desktop which cant idle in anything less than 50C. Temps remain under 40C most of the time too...

It's a shame the ramping up and down can not be eliminated, and would have been nice if the thresholds could have been adjusted even in the bios or somewhere using software, i think i will leave it on auto, the fn+3 is ok at times but like antic said it is slightly whiny although constant.

 

Yeah this lappy sure wasn't made for times of quiet contemplation. Maybe someone will try swapping out one or more of the fans for higher grade ones and we'll hear some good news. I'm sure that once those physical fans are replaced with better ones, it will be so much quieter.

 

I have to be honest, I think I'm gonna hold off on the 5793 for a bit longer to see what shakes out with the firmware. Does the 9262 have the same noise level? I've heard that it runs very cool for what it is, not sure about the fans though.

 

Yeah i have to agree, but i don't think i will be replacing the fans as of yet even if there were to be... i think a new firmware would be nice, the thing is it spins up when i don't think it needs to especially when the temps are quite low, the auto mode seems to be the most viable, the quietest parts of auto mode seems to be the best level, i.e. when im just browsing but this can't be controlled.

 

How are you getting spinning up and down? They fixed that problem in this firmware in auto mode.

 

i`ve said it before.
It`s an adaptive fan speed firmware.
When the laptop starts,there`s no fan speed. Then you hear the CPU fan starting and staying at a low rpm. Then the GPU fan kicks in and stays at a low rpm.
They both increase when NEEDED.
If you`re doing some CPU demanding activities,the CPU fan will adapt. So will the GPU. That`s why you hear them "sort of ramping" . It`s a healty find. But on browsing alone , you won`t see temps higher than 40C.
The "chainsaw" effect is due to the gpu fan staying ON at ALL TIMES, regardless of speed. It maintains a constant rpm therefore a constant temperature.
I can`t be any more clear than this. It`s the best firmware to date,and as others said, it`s a gaming laptop,it can`t be quiet as a EEE PC.

 

yea true, i never expected the machine to be completely silent, but i also didn't expect it to be ramping up and down so often, the thing is even on idle, it goes up yet the temps are under 40C... unless it didn't flash properly... im sure it did though, as i couldn't control the fans before when i first received the laptop.

Downloaded the firmware, burnt to disc, then boot from disc, and a loud beep, had to manual restart... then done... is that right?

 

Yes.Post some temps from Riva Tuner, if it ramps it will show. I`m very curios. I know I posted mine some time ago but I`ll post some more soon if needed.
It kicks in at 39C and makes the temps drop to 32-33C on regular use.

 

Im using Everest to see my temps... and GPU is now at 43 and i haven't performed any intensive tasks aside from browsing the internet - ramps up and down, 39C is easily reached, isn't this a bit too low of a temp to make it the threshold?

On a side note my hard drive is at 56C - is that an ok temp? went to 58 earlier...

 

The Momentus works between 0-60C normally. Your HD temp is fine.
Do this for me. When you will open the laptop tomorrow(it has to be cool,meaning that is wasn`t on for a few hours), start monitoring the temps with RivaTuner(because it has a built in chart log) and after 5 min, right click on the chart and reveal the max temp and then choose one in the stabilised area.(or idle if you prefer) . That will give me an idea of how your fans work.

 

No, the 9262 is cool and silent. Big fans, large heatsinks and better airflow in the case. The 9262 stands apart from anything I have worked with.

 

This is 'how to' monitor temps with Riva Tuner since many people have had problems with it.

 

Hey all,

Can people confirm that I can install the newest EC firmware from the Sager website on my Rock Xtreme 770 (NP5793 model) with the 1.00.08 BIOS and X9000 cpu ( as in its got 3 fans ) without breaking anything?

 

No problems... just update it and enjoy some silence