Sager has confirmed with Clevo that the M860TU will not support 44W+ processors or the 9800M GTX because of the thermal budget!

Really? I suppose you've vetted every single transaction report from every entity worldwide that engages in the business of banking, and I suppose you've also audited the record-keeping procedures of every such entity and have satisfactorily concluded that none of them can be either spoofed, circumvented, or rewritten after-the-fact? And I suppose that you think filing an answer to a complaint (as opposed to taking a default judgment against yourself) is costless? And I suppose that you'd not mind having the police poke around in your private affairs in response to a facially sufficient claim of theft? If you wanna leave the low fruit dangling, don't be surprised when someone tries to pick it....

 

Hello, PCMW again?

Man, with all due respect to Clevo & CO that I apreciate so much, it is hard for me to believe that a company with a good reputation as PCMW suddently decided to lie to their customers in such a blunt way. It is possible, but the company track record makes it hard to believe.

Someone is not fully informed or PCMW is lieing, but what PCMW says had always made sense to me considering Clevo's track record.

I will not dwelve into this further anymore, but since there are two versions of the story and I personally consider that PCMW is not doing anything damaging to the consumer (as a consumer) and Clevo' track record goes in the direction of their statements, I would the chances that they are telling the truth is .5.

People have to agree that they are backing up their staments in a persistant manner, so much that feals to be a certainty

Trance
PS: As for other violations that PCMW might be incurring I will not comment anymore since is as a consumer is none of my business unless they really get fined. In the later case, if I was a customer I would worry about the company finantial ability to meet the warranties.

 

NO ........PCMW
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A person good name is all that one have. It is a question of principle in business. If I got the check I would do as Shyster described, period.

Trance

 

ok guys arguing about me and my check issues, please do not worry. not only can I handle this myself, but i have had my legal executive and her firm take care of it for me. case closed

 

i actually think nirvana may get it first as he has been hinting at this for a while. seems like knows something we dont.

 

helios is this what you were talking about earlier with the unnamed ATI card?
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7948&Itemid=1

 

well i wouldnt know since its an unnamed card, but yes, i do recall him mentioning something about an M98

 

I thought it was M6 something.
Might be mistakening it for this

 

Clevo has yet to ship the first M860TU to North America.

Oh, and I would be happy to take your bet

When it is all said and done, meet me at the secret testing laboratory behind the train station and we can settle up

 

hehe, are you sure we shouldn't relocate. I think that others are getting suspicious of our nature. No M860TU's in north america? thats crazy. lol. atleast i would have thought you would have the shells.

 

Yes, that is probably the card they are referring to...ATi is touting very high benchmark scores for it but they are only "goals" at this point since the card isn't even completely developed yet.

As the article that you linked to says "...this should take place in late Q3, if not in Q4." (well, there is another bet I would take...how about late Q4 at the earliest?) and "...The RV770 chip already has some power optimzsations and it can be ready for notebook use, but the current issue is that ATI’s new chip with 800 Shaders tends to get rather hot." (hmmm...) and "...the mobile version will definitely end up with more modest clocks, and it will only fit in quite thick desktop replacement notebooks" (the M860TU...ya think?)

Any speculation about this card, much less assurances, is VERY premature.

 

oh for sure paladin. I don't expect to see that card in there and sincerely doubt that the 9800 gtx will be either but i still like to have my hopes even if they are only to be dashed. For all those concerned about the warranty and shipping issues from PCMW, I just called them and they said that warranty shipping charges are on them, atleast to Canada. So I'm pleased that if I do end up going with them that I won't have to pay for any shipping if anything goes wrong.

 

thats the secret FACTORY behing the secret train station thank you very much.

 

you say none in north america, does that mean that my mycizmo rep could have been telling the truth when he said he has everything - the cpu's?

 

YES!!!!

FInals are over.

Im back in buisness baby...

Any new info (I havent read the last 30 pages, too busy with school)

 

summary...... no one know exactly what we are talking about

 

My humble apologies

I guess what I meant was the secret testing laboratory in the secret factory behind the secret train station...

 

While it is possible they have the CPUs, it is unlikely that they have the M860TU at this point.

 

oh, so were betting eh?

I bet that at least one person in this thread will lose their bet.

Any takers?

 

You should read them...they are probably a lot more entertaining than what you have been reading

 

On the topic of PCMW going under and warranties, I thought paladin44 at some point pointed out that Eurocom (and maybe Clevo?) back up the warranty as far as hardware is concerned (but not the upgrade part). Correct me if I'm wrong.

If that's the case, and PCMW goes under, will PCMW buyers be able to look to Eurocom (Clevo?) in the event of a hardware failure? To be honest, I'm not really that nervous. The only things that make me worry are the motherboard, the power supply and the LCD screen. Just about anything else would probably be easy to fix on my own. Maybe the motherboard would be easy, but it looks like a PITA.

 

awww, OK fine read everything

Wow......
Heated Arguments......
Wine........
Car Displays.....

WHATVE IVE BEEN MISSING!!!!

 

Okay, with the actual reseller putting money on the bet, I get a little worried.

But never the less, the bet is for a dollar right. Come on, we could even PayPal it. I can handle losing a dollar.

 

Eurocom backs PCMW, Clevo backs Eurocom.

The best thing to do is call or write Eurocom and ask them how they would handle warranty claims on PCMW laptops should PCMW not be able to support them.

 

If you figure out how that would work, please infrom us lokix, because even though im prolly gunna go with another reseller, I would like to know...

 

My Granddaddy taught me to never make a bet you couldn't afford to lose...so you are being totally sensible to only bet a dollar.

However wagering money is probably not a good idea. Maybe pushing a peanut down the street with your nose would be a better idea, and we can get eleron911 to film it

 

Paladin44's advice about calling them up and asking is best because, unless they've specifically agreed to take on PCMW's warranty claims, they may have no liability whatsoever for any warranty claims.

I believe that what Paladin44 was referring to earlier when he said that, e.g., Eurocom would "back up" PCMW's warranties was not that Eurocom would assume PCMW's obligations under the warranties made by PCMW, but that, solely as between themselves, Eurocom has made warranties to PCMW regarding the systems they sell to PCMW, and if/when PCMW gets a system back under a PCMW warranty, PCMW then has grounds under the warranty made to it by Eurocom to make a warranty claim against Eurocom (which, ultimately, probably has a warranty that was made to it by Clevo when it purchased goods from Clevo; however, again, that warranty may be solely for the benefit of Eurocom, and none of Eurocom's customers are likely to be able to make a claim against Clevo solely on the basis of any warranties Clevo made to Eurocom).

Basically, there's a difference between PCMW having the right to go against Eurocom for protection from claims by consumers, and consumers having the right to go directly against Eurocom on the basis of the warranty, if any, Eurocom might have made to PCMW.

 

doesnt each part have a warranty directly with the manufacturer? could you not claim that way if you knew what piece of hardware was broken?

 

Thanks. Something tells me that in the event of PCMW's bankruptcy, the warranty question will be complicated and sorted out by lawyers. Call me cynical, but I doubt that anyone who answers the phone when I call the 800 number will know the real answer.

I suppose we always assume some risk when we buy a warranty, just more so with early-stage companies.

I don't think the M860TU debacle should affect PCMW's liquidity that much. It would be worse if say, they sold 1,000 defective laptops and had to recall them.

 

Not necessarily, and particularly not in the case of a component part that was purchased by another manufacturer and incorporated into the finished good that the consumer purchased.

In the U.S., much of the answer would depend on what state you live in, or rather, what state's law governed the claim. In many states, unless you've suffered personal injury from a defective product (in which case your claim lies in an action for product liability not warranty), you cannot make a claim for economic loss against a so-called remote manufacturer (e.g., the company that sold the hard drive to Eurocom that Eurocom then assembled into the notebook computer that you purchased from PCMW). Also, in many states, a remote manufacturer can disclaim some or all of the implied warranties that are typically implied into a sale of goods transaction by operation of law.

For a somewhat technically detailed discussion of warranty claims against remote manufacturers in the construction industry, take a read through this article written by the Texas law firm of Brown McCarroll, L.L.P.

The ability of a manufacturer to exclude or avoid implied warranties when that manufacturer supplies component parts to other third-party manufacturers for incorporation into finished goods that the third-party manufacturers will then wholesale to various retailers for retail sale to the public is another one of the reasons why there is typically a price differential between so-called OEM goods, like OEM hard drives, and retail goods - the manufacturer has less exposure for subsequent losses, and thus can still earn the same profit by selling at a lower price.

Basically, unless the remote manufacturer supplied the component goods in a state that imposes implied warranty obligations on the remote manufacturer, or included some sort of written materials with the component part that were intended to be passed on to the ultimate purchaser, or owed duties to so-called third-party beneficiaries under the sales contract with the business to which the remote manufacturer supplied the component parts (and the ultimate purchaser happens to be within the class of protected third-party beneficiaries), it's doubtful if you'd be able to make a warranty claim directly against the component manufacturer.

 

Sure thing chief,any time

Corrected that for ya.

 

Pushing peanuts it is.

In terms of warranty, this whole discussion has way to many what ifs involved to really accomplish anything. On second thought, much of our discussions on the M860TU threads are that way, so, continue.

Got to pass the time some way.

 

In three years, we'll all be itching for a new system, so maybe a catastrophic failure that would be too expensive to fix would provide just the right justification for a new noteboook.

I have an old AMD Winchester system that just will not die. It's still surprisingly fast, on XP SP3. Still looking for a reason to replace it....

 

why do you quote for no reason?

 

OH GOD!!! did anyone see this! uses 9800m GTX. I did not see that coming.

 

there is a pic of a hammer.

 

What are you talking about man?

 

Ta. Thanks mate.

 

Ya. Its ugly as hell.

I cant see it

 

I don`t see no hammer. O|-_o|O

 

thats odd, i can see it.... ah whatever.

wait you think its ugly? yeah the flames are ugly, but the rest of it is amazing!!

 

I think its ALL ugly. Too flashy. Design makes it look like a toy. Like those kindergarten laptops you buy at Costco for 40 bucks for small children.

I does not look sleek and sharp.

I vote this uglier than the XPS 1730.....

 

The XPS 1730 is not ugly, saw one yesterday...wow

Hey,can somebody give me the link to that flashy pic? I still can`t see. (right click on pic, properties,copy address).

 

Sorry, but I hate the way the Qosimo looks. As Vedya said, it looks like a giant toy. Plus, I'm just biased against clear plastic in almost all cases-- I think it looks tacky. The only time I want to see the innards of my computer is when I'm fiddling with it

 

That thing looks like the little play-puter we got for my daughter when she was 2 y.o. Yechh

 

9800GTX wow!!

 

I thought the 9800m GTX was not out yet?

Well, at least now we can get some benchmarks once and for all.

 

Personally I don't see what all the OOH AAH about the Qosimo is-- the 570TU will probably be a better laptop, and most likely better priced as well.