Sager has confirmed with Clevo that the M860TU will not support 44W+ processors or the 9800M GTX because of the thermal budget!

Ahh, Paladin, sorry, totally my fault.

It didnt say it on the box, just hte m570tu box.

Sorry

Xephon, where did you get the info that PCMW started 2 ship?

 

And you are admitted to the BAR in which state?

Sorry Xephon, if you answered this question in the multi-state portions of the bar exam this way...it would be marked incorrect.

Agreed that it doesn't necessarily mean that the product will be lacking said feature...however that is not at all the point.

The point is that Sager has confirmed with Clevo that the M860TU will not support 44W+ processors or the 9800M GTX because of the thermal budget. That is not an omission, it is a clearly stated exclusion.

 

No problem No apology is really necessary.

Yes...the M570TU will support the 9800M GTX.

 

hang on if it cant suport the 9800M GTX.... how can it suport the 8800M GTX... people said the 9800M GTX would be cooler...

i guess not.

the 9800M GTX was not launched with the other 9XXXm.... hummmmmmm

i wonder what will happen i think im just going to go for a m15x.. sager use pritty dam big cooling solutions and if they cant get a Quad core in a 15inch i don't think any one will.


be nice if Nvidia leaked some more info about the 9800m GTX but... hummmmmmmmmm ponder.... mabye its hottber beacuse it suports that hybrid Sli thing.. so it has 2 GPUs but the actualy 9800m GTX gpu is the same speed as the 8800m GTX..

so many questions and so much money <_>

 

I have to say, with all due respect, these are my sentiments exactly.

I am now, after the news that PCMW represented the product without any knowledge of its ability to hold their offered configurations, looking at other options while still remaining open to the idea that PCMW may make this right. I would, if not for the way this has been handled, be willing to wait and look at Power Notebooks offering of the product against others. Oh well, I guess business from a "fool" is not the same.

With a product this generic you really have to be careful how you represent your business, because you can seriously do some damage by insulting potential customers.

 

its gonna be hotter due to the # of computer cores running (96 vs112)

 

I didn't say that they were shipping. I was referring to another poster commenting on PCMW receiving a shipment of the processors.

None.

Practically all contracts have a construal clause. In light of this, I'm sure you could find some dated piece of statutory law for a very limited disparity in my claims.

 

wow, came to the party late but uh this just kinda ruined my summer. Thanks for the news paladin. maybe i'll go for the m570TU

 

SOrry for being such a pain, but can you link to the post?

 

If everyone has a long enough memory then you should remember when Clevo did not support Quad cores in the original D901C. A few companies did get them to work with the D901C even though it was not 'officially' supported.

Then we got into the whole debate about long term stability of the initial units with a higher TDP processor than was supported at the time. And how if one did buy one of these units he/she would be the smart move to buy their 3 year warranty. As Clevo would not honor it and it would fall back squarely in the pants of the reseller.

Again, this could be the case here. It may not be 'authorized' but some will push the limits. I for one though would not put out money until they said they could actually deliver me the product.

I only remember one person who purchased one of the quad cores in the original D901C. He left the forum though, I wonder how his unit is holding up 6 months later?

A bit OT but its almost the same situation, again.

 

I really don't want to look through the last 50 pages of that thread for it...

 

That is not at all true sir...my comments only refer to you.

Truth is a perfect defense to any claim of defamation. As a student of the law you should know that. I have only spoken the truth here...and that sir totally obviates your claim of any defamation.

I appreciate that you certainly have a right to your opinion, however your legal references here show a distinct immaturity with your understanding of the law.

I would recommend that you do not try to cross swords with someone who was admitted to the BAR and State and Federal courts before you were born.

I would further recommend that unless you have something positive to add, and that you can learn to add it without pomposity, that you spend your time learning some manners rather than exhibiting your ignorance here.

 

wu jen I hope your right about this case and that it somehow gets shoved in there anyways.

 

Very Nice post Wu Jen!!!!

Anyways,

Admist a hot debate,

Anyone up for some milk and cookies?



Or how about a game of cricket?



Ok, um sorry......

 

First, forgive me for not addressing all of your points. Undoubtedly, you disagree with the semantics of my assertions.

Dear scholar, please enlighten me on how I am wrong. For some odd reason, I doubt your claims of personal qualifications. This is only for the fact that you feel the need to add some type of authority to your argument, when it is so apparently flawed.

 

once again we bleed for the bleeding EDGE, vedya i'll challenge you to a game of cricket. now what are the rules?

 

I am in pain right now, my mouth laughing too hard.

 

I dont know.

I was expecting another indian or a WikiBuff (nice term, eh?), aka Shyster , to enlighten me.

Why not soccer or hockey???

Instead of pucks and soccer balls, lets use bundles of cash!!!!

 

Ok, let's see if I can follow this argument. You say:

Then you say:

Then you say, when asked for your source:

So you are arguing that somehow an unverified report by some other NBR member's post, that you do not identify, said that there is a claim made by PCMW that some kind of shipment is on the way, which you claim is the PS Montevina processors but we really don't know whether it is the M860TU shells, or the processors, or???...validates your claim?

And you challenge my credentials??

Pass the milk and cookies

 

okay well those sports I can play. how about

with wads of cash.
Paladin don't make him cry.

 

@Donald,
lawyer = liar
not so smart lawyer = ..............(umm I can't think of a good title yet)

 

at least sager is responsible with their "thermal budget" unlike AW... better to have a not-so-blazing fast notebook than a so-fast-it-overheats notebook.

 

http://www.hothardware.com/Articles/Intel_P45G45_Series_Chipset_Launch_and_Technology_Preview/

 

One thing, if Clevo is not supporting the QX9300 because of its 44TDP, then they more than likely will not support the X9100 either. Because it has also a 44TDP. The T9600 will be the top one in this category to be able to fit in with its 35TDP.

I don't remember but wasn't there an issue with the M570RU being able to use the X9000? I.e. because of its 44TDP?

Did they ever iron that one out? If they couldn't do it in a 17" then they probably won't be able to do it in a 15".

 

Wu Jen the QX9300 is now 35W

 

according to speculative guesses made by who again?

 

There was no known issue in the m57ru.

Mine is running an X7900 with no probs.

 

be right back. going to try Racedriver GRID

 

so confusing....so is the new clevo "new" or not?

 

Yes.

WHy is it confusing???

Do you not know the rules of croquet???

 

I seem to remember there being an issue with the 1st revision Mobo's. Same kind of TDP problem that the D901C 4.x ver mobo not being able to take a Q6600 had.

Was that the M570A? Or the M570U?

 

yes I know croquet i think.

 

so it can only suport the 8800m GTX and a T9600 many people will be anoyed... its basicaly just a SR performance with DDR3 lol no hybrid no quadcore...

its performance will be the same as a SR based sistem then exactly prob due to the FSB being lower due to the limited CPU suport.

Seems like they should have stayed with SR like alienware did.

also Vedya do u have the source of that information on the 112 of the 9800m GTX vs the 96 of the 8800m GTX... i dont mind if u dont beacuse i read alot of stuff thats impossible to reference .. but if u have a link that would be great..

looksl ike the 9800m GTX will be a 17inch only GPU unless Alienware has the balls to risk another down clocking fiasco lol.. makes sense really beacuse the 8800m GTX's run cool enugh for more space in the biger Sli'ed 17inch gaming rigs.

 

It also makes perfect sense to not support the 9800GTX, what benefit would there be for the 17 incher then? FOR ALL THOSE WHO WANT A BIGGER LAPTOP, HAVE THE SAME THING AS THE 15 INCHER ONLY BIGGER!!!!!

 

The m570A???? That was like 2yrs ago or something lol.

Z's m57ru has the previous gen mobos, the ones supposedly not supporting the 8800m and penryn and so forth, but it works perfectly.

@Heathkidd- Its on their website.

 

To keep it on track...the 9800M GTX will not be supported, but the 9800M GTS will be.

Please read a few pages back to see that at this time no one seems to be able to point to any benchmark or tech reports that indicate whether the 9800M GTS will be similar, stronger or weaker than the 8800M GTX.

So, since we do know that the 8800M GTX was a substantial improvement over the 7950 GTX I think we can expect, although not prove at this time, that the 9800M GTX will be a substantial improvement, hopefully in a similar way, over the 8800M GTX. Agreed?

We don't know for sure whether the above is true, but just giving it the benefit of the doubt for the moment, would it be much of a stretch to expect that the 9800M GTS performance will be similar to the 8800M GTX?

Sure, it is just conjecture at this point...but until we know for sure I am reserving judgment on whether the 8800M GTX should be priced significantly above the 9800M GTS.

 

There is an absolute benefit. Gaming WUXGA 17inch screen pwns an resoltuion gaming on a 15inch screen.

Case Closed.

 

Heathkidd, the title said "Sager has confirmed with Clevo that the M860TU will not support 44W+ processors or the 9800M GTX because of the thermal budget", the quad core aka QX9300 consumes 35W.
also I am curious about the source as well, as the links hunterpatch provided don't work.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=3437034&postcount=18

 

True, surely there are benefits, but im tired and only think of things the way i thought when i posted

 

What is your source for this?

 

Weird, it worked earlier 2day...

 

didn't few guys said that intel optimized it to 35W?

 

yeah but that was based on rumours.

 

I say its 2W.......

get the point?

is their official proof?

 

The issue was with the D901C and Quad Core processors. Clevo still does not warrant any Quad Core installation unless it is mobo ver.5.x if my memory serves, although there were some that ignored this and stuffed Quads into ver 4.x.

The issue with the M570RU was with Extreme processors which required the new case of the M570RU-U and the BIOS that will allow overclocking.

 

this is rumor? damn i thought it was real.
http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/05/15/intel.quad.for.portables/

 

nice find. now how bout a link that says paladin is pulling an april fools and the 9800GTX is still coming to M860TU.... oh my crushed dreams.

 

in all due respect i would take the word of Clevo .... seeing as they build the things ^_^

clearly they are not happy with eather a quadcore or 9800m GTX running in there 15inch sistems. Which honestly is prob a good idea when u look at the continuing m15x issues with the x9000 and 8800mgtx

 

clevo didnt say that it didnt support the quad core, just said not 44w+TDP

 

That says: "Core 2 Extreme QX9300 was originally flagged as a 45-watt chip limited to desktop replacement notebooks and slim desktops but is now said to use just 35 watts..."

But they don't say who is saying that.

I would like to see that from Intel, but Intel isn't officially even talking about the QX9300 yet so we really don't know exactly what the production version will be for some time yet.

However Clevo's testing with ES versions shows that anything above the T9600 that is scheduled for release at the Centrino 2 launch will exceed the thermal budget.