Sager has confirmed with Clevo that the M860TU will not support 44W+ processors or the 9800M GTX because of the thermal budget!

thx for the info

@gophn,nirvana

 

Oh come on Gophn,you know I`m fully aware of the spec sheet.
I`m talking about the subtle line the m15x floates upon as being the best 15incher around, and now this Clevo is attempting to take it ,but fails ,since the overall specs won`t make it MUCH better than the other.
Who`s to say it won`t overheat or run hot? Forget about NDA, we`re talkin 1 fan here. 1 FAN ONLY .
It has the possiblities open,but not the confirmation.
Again,who`s to say the m15x won`t get updated?

The main attraction of this Clevo was the "unconfirmed" support of the 9800M GTX and quad cores.
Half of that attraction just went down the drain.

 

m15x has penryns Gophn. I'm running a T9500

 

the Penryn Gophn talked about was P-series and T9600.

 

oh, my apologies then. continue as you were

 

wow i just read this thread and thats really disapointing i order the M860Tu from pcmw. I got the CPU X9100, 2G ram, 8800m GTX, 200G 7200rpm. But i was planing on up grading in a couple months or so. Also does the X9100 go over 44+ww.

 

I believe the X9100 does have a 44w TDP.

 

What TDP will a X9100 have, when it´s mit x2 option to 3.6G Oced?

 

Who started this 1 fan thing?is this confirmed?PCMW rep said he remember 3 fans.Some one can call and ask abt it though.

 

it is 44w i wonder if im going to have problems in geting it from pcmw because at the last moment they are going to sent a email saying it does fit. In hope somehow they figure something out

 

That's what Donald said.

 

>.> I just don't see how 1 fan can cool a cpu and 8800m gtx. The m15x can barely do it with 2, although their heat sink design seems to be missing a few heat pipes.

 

All we need now is a bottom Pic.

 

I would take it with a pinch of salt

 

a lot of the design has to do with how carefully the designers modelled the airflow through the system. I did a little poking around on this a few months ago on another system, and the amount of study, whitepapers, and design software centering just on the fluid dynamics of airflow in computer cooling is astounding. One item that comes to mind when I read your question was a study done by an engineer for a PSU company to determine whether the direction of rotation of the cooling fan had a relevant effect on the cooling solution and, based on his analysis of actual psus as well as his modelling using one of the software packages available, he came to the conclusion that the direction of rotation of the fan played a large role in the efficiency of the cooling solution because, rotated one way, the airflow struck the internal components in such a way that it created a lot of turbulence and substantially reduced the overall velocity of the air moving through the psu. Another item that comes to mind is a study that determined that, under the right circumstances, the airflow from two fans could interfere with each other, thereby reducing the total efficiency of the system.

So, it's entirely possible that the mx15 designers did not do as careful a study of the airflow conditions within the internal cavity of the notebook, and that, based on mutual interference by a two-fan solution, a one-fan solution could, in fact, provide a more efficient cooling solution.

 

truth or not, you decide.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=3437853&postcount=1908

 

it just got off the phone with a rep from pcmw and they said it was a rumor started by other resellers that the 9800gtx wont go into the system. As well as the quad core. he said that the 9800gtx runs cooler and will run fine. I also asked about the hybrid graphic and he said that it will not have it. There are two models one with intergrated and one with not. I know there have been some question about the 9800gts and 8800gtx. I was told the 9800gts is less powerful then the 8800gtx. Who knows if this is true because justin and donald both have usually posted great info and know their stuff. I just dont know its he said she said going on.

 

he also said the shipment is still on time and they should meet the dead line

 

not really on topic because I want the 17 incher anyways, but as for the 9800gtx, on the engadget nvidia release thing, it said 9800s will have hybrid sli, which is a major selling point for me and I really need this for school next year so I'm asking if hybrid SLI will come with the first release. If this info hasn't been released yet, can some one tell me that too?

 

Excellent, called a few hours ago myself and he said the production manager was talking with Clevo and Intel about this. Perhaps during that time, the shipment was given the OK.

He also told me that since my hard drive is not coming in until the 30th of June, I need not worry about any delay because ANY would most likely be sorted out by that time. So, the same goes for you initial 9800GTX adopters.

 

This is simply amazing

I guess what I don't understand is that if PCMW says they have had an M860TU test unit there for some time now, and they are already building orders, then they should know that it only has ONE FAN as shown in THIS PICTURE of the M860TU.

This picture was provided several weeks ago by Clevo.

 

That's wonderful Donald. Maybe next time you can actually show us the image of the ONE fan of the supposed picture of the M860TU next time when we ask instead of waiting until we start to post nice news from PCMW before slamming it down on us.

Just a suggestion.

 

LOL!!! I suggest you guys re-order from powernotebooks since they got much more accurate informations and obviously few steps ahead of PCMW.

 

Ya you are right about that.

There goes everything.May be they have a different version?Another week of this before seeing something.

 

So, in the true spirit of "shoot the messenger" you want to blame me for "...slamming it down on us." instead of putting the blame where it belongs?

Do you guys still believe in Santa Claus?

 

LOL PCMW got pwned/????

 

I think people are starting to move into fantasy land here, as Donald is implying. Even with picture evidence, they still don't want to believe

 

No partner. I'm not attacking you for the image or providing us with it. Thanks very much. What I find ever so convenient is the timing of the presentation of the image. Weren't we asking for an underneath image of the Clevo m860TU for a while now, the only image of the laptop we haven't seen yet?

Why, if you did have that image weeks before, chose now, after a few responses of the calls and confirmation of PCMW were stated, to show it to us?

I just feel your moves are being carefully and strategically orchestrated based on these actions, that's all. Perhaps you are right, as your track record clearly shows, but your presentation seems very devious.

Let me put it to you this way. The same information could come from Justin, but in Justin's manner of presenting it, and I would have no problem with his word, in fact, I'd clear believe him.

You....I do have a problem. Sorry.

 

This is getting a little out of hand and get on Topic. This information would mean that the clevo will run really hot as with one fan it probably will not be good enough to hold the fast fast cards. With that being said and the fact that 44w processors wont be used that even means the x9000 penryn, currently in the m15x and the x9100 released last month wont fit in. The x9100 was specifically designed for the 1066 fsb of montevina. This is making me really think i'm going Alienware.

 

Looks like your right, they very different designs. Clevo's design is more open uses a single large fan instead of two tiny fans and the heat sinks are much much larger.

 

Agree again.. I turn back and find Justin comments more accurates, discretes and respectfull

 

That's a good point, I didn't even realize the X9000 is 44W. That said, the T9600 is 2.8 GHz and at 35W, so it should provide the equivalent.

 

Your assumptions are totally inaccurate.

This is still under NDA. I had to get authority to display this picture publicly and have been trying to do so for some time now.

Originally that authorization was withheld, but after seeing all of the false information being put out there by PCMW, Clevo was motivated to disclose not only the truth about the fact that they are not Clevo direct, the truth about the video card and the processors, but now also the truth about how many fans there are, and the truth about whether PCMW actually has a test unit, or any units at all.

Any assertions that my motives or methods are or have been devious are completely false. I have been consistently giving true facts, but could only do so as limited authorization was given to me.

 

Donald and I are both supplied with very limited information due to this being under NDA. There is only certain info Clevo & Sager want or can release at this time. We have to both obtain authorization on what "info" we can release. His timing may seam convenient but it is as he stated.

I understand it is disheartening and disappointing for some of you to hear this information, but what Donald has listed is correct. We are both trying to clean up the mis-information that has been provided and keep everybody up to date with the most current and accurate information we are able to provide publicly.

 

Alright Donald. I respect that. But let me tell you something, let's just say for pure speculation that PCMW just disappeared but somehow I got a refund for what I paid on the laptop. I would go with XoticPC and not PowerNotebooks. Why? Because of how you answer potential customers (or slander competitors customers). Look at your initial response to me for an example.

A customer representative would have said, "I'm sorry, but I believe you have been misinformed, allow me to explain." or as Justin has already told me "I understand your opinion and respect it. However, I must bring to your attention that...."

You tell me Your assumptions are totally inaccurate. C'mon, that's something I'd tell a friend down the street if I was a bit peeved at him, but never to a potential customer (and until the point of purchase where the money from someone cannot be refunded, we are all potential customers).

That is my problem with your responses. That is why, at this point, I don't trust you. All you have to do is just not be so aggressive or offensive with the comments and I'd have no problem with what you say Sir. That is all.

 

@GRB, this is not an equivelant, the X series is an extreme card, thats unlocked multipliers unlike the standard T processors.

 

sure, but it's not like you can take advantage of that in the m15x anyway (the laptop already has enough trouble as it is going at 2.8)

 

If I may weigh in on this, frankly, I would say Donald has acted as professionally as possible. Just reread his OP; does it offend you? does it come off demeaning the consumer? I don't think so. He's been simple and straightforward in conveying this important information. His subsequent posts as well, I would find, are equally respectful and courteous especially given the fact he's sustaining unwarranted personal attacks on his character.

That's all moot anyway, Justin has just reaffirmed that he agrees with what Donald has said and that it is indeed true.

 

that's also true and a point well presented lol. Who is to say thought that a stable bios update wouldnt make the x clockable at some point in the future. June 24th Aliennetwork Release maybe heh! there is supposed to be a revision coming.

 

Well, A couple of points:

-This fan situation only came up a day ago
-He(donald) and Chaz had warned all of you

 

Very true, very true. Tough to say; AW is much less forthcoming with information than are our Clevo resellers. All it does say, though, is that the m15x at least won't be any less powerful than the m860tu in the processor section, with the potential ability to be a little better (though at this point, it isn't).

Though who knows what impact the DDR3 ram will have on the m860tu's CPU/general performance.

 

Telling the truth is not slander. Furthermore, both he and Justin have been warning you, he more than Justin. They are trying to cheat us. He knew that, and as his duty he tryed his best to dissuade others. He never once really "advertised" PNB.

Furthermore, I am as upset as all of youse. WHy, if ya want, you can cancel you PO. Big Deal. However, I already bought from them, and this inicident is kinda telling me to reasses their credibility.

 

man oh man. this thread was so so long. it took me an hour and a half to read these 25 pages. from fighting to discontent, to more fighting, to more discontent. ....

All in all...i'm pretty saddened. No, let me re-phrase...I'm incredibly saddened...

I saw the perfect laptop - I put in my pre-order so happily and now to find this out...not fun.

I'm going to trust both Donald and Justin on this one although i've held out as a pro-pcmw supporter since they had their sale - I think they should not engage in these kinds of business practices.

I too called them up today and was told the same thing other ppl were told when they called them up "our managers are discussing with intel and clevo as we speak". So this just tells me tha they are a little late to the party - everyone else knew but nobody wanted to believe it.

I guess i'll just stick to the p6831 and buy it a faster processor + get a asus eee or something to make me happy...

Man this sucks.

 

^-----^

You forgot the croquet part.

 

I dunno, im liking the one fan thing. That is one huge fan, and one nice lookin heat tube and heatsink. If it works well, i bet its nice and quiet, and will still power a mighty strong lappy nonetheless. Might not be the monster we thought it was, but it will still be quite a beast

 

But i a little doubt it will be quiet.....

 

Why don't we all stop the nonsense and start acting a little more like the adults we are (or pretended to be when we signed up), hmmm? In particular, the disgraceful attacks on Paladin44 should stop NOW.

Anyone who's read enough of Paladin44's posts on this forum knows that he can be a bit prickly and come across a bit stronger than we were expecting, and maybe moreso than he intended. Also, just like almost everyone else on this thread - you know who you are, all you early birds - Paladin44 sometimes makes mistakes; however, he has always played fair and acted in good faith and has never led anyone down the primrose path; regrettably, the same cannot be said for everyone else in Paladin44's position - the temptation is very strong, and it takes courage to stand your ground and not give into that temptation, as both Justin@xoticpc and Paladin44 have done (and most other resellers, as far as I know; Neil@kobaltcomputer seems to have taken the position that discretion is the better part of valour, as I've heard nothing about them precipitously offering systems, nor wading into this frothing tempest in a teapot).

The proof of the pudding, if such is needed, is in this statement from Paladin44:

Now, I can hear the doubting Thomases saying, "well, that's all well and good, but it's a bit self-serving, isn't it?" No doubt, it is; but it is well-served nonetheless. Does anyone in their right mind, anyone who has even a modicum of exposure to the market for cutting edge high-tech equipment doubt for even a second that Clevo, like every other ODM/OEM would do everything in its power to prevent the early disclosure of their upcoming models on the eve of a huge industry convention at which all of the best meet to wow and surprise their peers and the hoi polloi with their latest models? Do you think Clevo would be so cavalier as to just give pictures like that out without restriction?

Furthermore, even if we make the outlandish assumption that Clevo was passing these out like cheap porn in the high-school boys' room, don't you think that Justin@xoticpc would have called Paladin44 on the carpet if, as we know he didn't, he had falsely claimed that the picture was under NDA and had instead, as we know he hasn't, held onto it until now just so he could, do what, make you feel even dumber than you already do about getting snookered? Since Justin@xoticpc hasn't done so, then, by accusing Paladin44 of misfeasance, you are necessarily implying that Justin@xoticpc is also part of some big conspiracy with Paladin44, and who knows how many unindicted co-conspirators, to do what... make you feel like a fool?

Is that really the case? Is that sort of behaviour in any way consistent with the many thousands of posts Paladin44 and Justin@xoticpc have put up here, and the hundreds of hours they've spent giving advice and assistance to anyone who posts here, whether a customer or not, without any expectation of remuneration, other than the hope that, perhaps, some extra goodwill will come of it? Last I checked, goodwill don't make such a good soup by itself, you need hard cash, too.

Most likely what's got certain folks here all het up is the little bit of triumphalism that sneaks in-between some of the lines of text Paladin44 has posted here - an implicit "I told you so" if you will - but really, be honest here, who among us would not feel at least a little bit of righteous vindication in his situation? For quite a while he's been patiently counselling everyone to not get their hopes up too high, and to wait for formal public word from Clevo before concluding that a particular component will, or will not, be compatible with a particular Clevo system. Furthermore, if you read carefully, you may find that there was a certain implication that the actual facts as known to the resellers, but restricted by their NDAs, were negative, because the tone of the posts was more uniformly downbeat this time around than they have been with other similar matters where the ultimate resolution was a little more to the liking of the NBR posters.

Ok, I've said my two bits' worth, so I'll get off the soap-box and stop the lecturing.

 

hear hear!

 

What part of croquet do you find to be childish Shyster???

But seriously you guys be more mature.....

 

Well, I'm not too keen on the uniforms - hoop skirts don't work with my figure , and the pink-flamingo bit is a little ... cruel in this day and age, dontcha think?