Sager has confirmed with Clevo that the M860TU will not support 44W+ processors or the 9800M GTX because of the thermal budget!

I think eleron was saying a race car is loud...maybe i'm incorrect.

 

It was actually an ironical statement, the RU is among the noisiest gaming laptops out there, surpassing even the XPS1730.But it's the sole exception so far, the D901C is dead silent on idle...

Pretty much,yes.I`ve made youtube videos with the thing and it's a noisy one.Can become defthning if you focus on it too long

 

oh heh, I see, I don't know why I misread that

guess I'm a little tired today

 

SO it's pretty much confirmed the m860tu can't use the 9800GTX?

It's still an option at PCMW...

 

yeah, we don't know what to do. I mean Donald is posting the truth but PCMW could maybe possibly try to fit it in? its unlikely but I guess we'll find out if they ever update us. I might go to the m570TU instead if it doesn't have the 9800GTX. thats what I'm after.

 

well if you read the thread name again, it says SAGER confirmed that they will not use the 9800GTX in it. sager is only really the north american seller of clevo. The part can phisically fit in the laptop, but sager was not hapy with its overall heat output on it. That doesnt mean non sager resellers like ones in europe will not try to put in this card. So we will not actually know untill say after julyish when the laptop hopefully comes out. maybe about 2 weeks after the release when some people have done some benchmarking, we ma still see the option to put in the 9800m GTX.

 

have they confirmed yet that the 570TU will even have the 9800m GTX?

 

sager is not the only north american seller of clevo, there are also pro-star and some other else.

 

ueah i know that, but they are pretty much the main one.
again, these are words from sager, not clevo, so we may see this laptop with the 9800m GTX in the future. no one hold their breaths though.

 

umm, the thread title is "Sager has confirmed with Clevo..."

i.e. Clevo told Sager it ain't gonna fly

 

umm, the gramatic term could mean either way. even if clevo told sager as you say, there still is a possibility that the 9800 will work. for instance, there is that CPU used in the 9262 that is not supported by clevo, yet it still works fine in the system.
I really doubt anyone will sel the M860tu with the 9800, but im just saying its possible. I dont think i would want it now though as it only has one fan. Even though its a big fan, im still not too trusting of just one fan cooling everything in the laptop.

 

Not really, but let's put it this way: Sager and Clevo agree on this. That is what "Sager has confirmed with Clevo..." at least means

edit: besides, you can ask Donald for clarification. my hunch is that he'll agree with my interpretation

 

sager has agreed with clevo. That could mean that sager phoned up clevo and said "umm yeah, we are not too happy with putting the 9800m GTX in this laptop. we dont want to be held responsible for any accuring faults because of this GPO in this chassis"

so either way of thinking works

It doesnt mean it wont work though. I though most of you here would see this as almost everyone here does some sort of OCing even though it is not supported by the manufacturer/reseller.

 

Heliosvector, every GPU have their own enclosures, and only Clevo are making them at this point. If Clevo said M860TU doesn't support 9800m GTX, that means they are not gonna manufacture the specific enclosure. Now you might say, we can use the one from NP5796, sorry they are different.

 

also this picture had made it very clear:

stop dreaming everyone. they would put 9800m gtx on if they could. which manufacture don't wanna show off the newest technology on their products?

 

this example is relatively unfair, CPUs do not require specially enclosures like GPU do, as long as they have same socket.

 

you've hit the nail on the head nirvana, if they could get the 9800 in there they definitely would. they lose money by not doing so, so they must therefore have strong reasons not to

 

im not really dreaming as i would never put that into a one fan system. im so scared off by all of this that i am canceling my preorder with PCMW. Im going for the M570TU now. I am also talking to that custom fan company about a quieter system.

 

what would be the pint of having the 570TU then? it kind of deminishes the point to have that laptop if the M860TU can have all the same parts. only upside to it is a slightly bigger screen with smaller battery life.

 

Argh!!!!

Even if the m860tu did have the 9800m, Many people will still opt for the 570tu, regardless

 

fair enough, but clevo still kills a category of buyers by not supporting it in the 860tu. think of it this way -- with regards to these two laptops, let's break things down into a fairly simplistic model. a person ordering wants either:

17" laptop with 8800, or
17" laptop with 9800, or
15" laptop with 8800, or
15" laptop with 9800

by killing the last option they unnecessarily turn away a specific set of customers. by keeping it there they keep that set of customers, plus the customers who fit into another of those categories anyway.

yes I know that's a fairly simplistic way to look at it and hinges on the idea that clevo makes an equal profit on all their 17" vs. all their 15", inter alia, but still. It may turn some away from buying the 17" with 9800, but they'd still be buying clevo and lining their pockets. Those customers aren't lost. By killing the 15" with 9800, there, they ARE losing some customers.

 

it would help make a diferenciation between the two markets though ^_^

 

I apologize if my grammar wasn't clear.

"Sager has confirmed with Clevo..." is intended to mean that Clevo told Sager the 9800M GTX will not be available in the M860TU (Sager NP8660).

Not now, not ever, not for anyone.

 

clevo doesnt seem to have any majour competition right now though, wich i think is a little unhealthy. since no one in their right mind would get the low quality overheating m15x that would have been the orriginal comp, clevo is left alone to shoot whatever they want at us.

 

well that sorts that anyways ^_^

 

AW people would then tell you that no one in their right mind would buy the ugly m860tu with cheap keyboards and no noticeable performance increases despite being released six months later. (some example comments made on the AW forums)

It's a matter of opinion and all depends where you're standing, of course (disclaimer: yes I do own an m15x but I try to be neutral )

 

wimax support, DDR3 support, clevo history cooling support, non STEAL ME! support, non laggy keyboard support, non creaky chassis support, non wobble screen support, faster FSB on both ram and cpu, lower power consuming parts and lighter overall size.

(I know some of those points are not proven yet, but i wanted it to be a longer list to make it seem so much better)

 

heh though I think it was said that the 860 won't have wimax support due to the delays

anyway, my point only is that there are two sides here, both with their advantages and disadvantages. to you, your analysis may take you to the 860, to others, it'll take them to the m15x. my only point is that the unfortunate (potential) loss of quadcore support and (definite) loss of 9800M support does cut down the 860's advantage list down quite a bit, and I think we can all at least agree that the 860 did lose much of its edge. as to whether that makes it still better than the m15x or now worse is opinion.

 

yes i do agree to that. maybe i just hate AW so much for not being able to send me a laptop after a month of waiting ( i could get a car built faster lol) and how unhelfull AW support is.

just a backlash to your comment, I said it has WIMAX support. I didnt say it had it. eventually when wimax is done, it will be possible to upgrade wireless on m860tu wher-as this is not possible on the santa rosa m15x

 

that's true, you're right on the wimax.

 

yay! finnaly using my brain works! im alsways weary of using that thing.

 

Well, in my opinion, if anyone puts the 9800GTX in an 860TU, it'll be killernotebooks. If it needs a new enclosure, he has experience in modding the things...

However, note I said IF anyone does, I am in no way stating that it is going to happen

 

it will be really interesting to see what temps the 860 runs at with the 8800 and see how close/far it is from the line (and whether clevo's being overy cautious or whether it really can't take it)

 

Knowing what I heard about Clevo, they are probably being overly cautious. Aren't they normally always conservative with their stuff before someone goes and overclocks or adds in a new component?

 

Clevo is conservative, however a CPU change (Original Quad Cores with the 9262) is much different then a Video Card (9800MGTX). A CPU is readily available on the market, where Mobile GPU's are a different ball game. (Getting the GPU, Custom vBios, housing, etc..)

 

just curious Justin, would you happen to know that type of information (heat specs) by this point? I'm not asking you to divulge or even hint at the answer, I'm just wondering if that's the type of thing Clevo would have told you by this point.

 

The amount of information that is available and that we are able to provide to the public presently is very limited. I will check into it and see if there is any additional information I can provide.

 

Maybe somebody else already noticed, but I just saw it right now : the PCMW website now offers nVIDIA Quadro FX 3600M as option on Edge.

Is that even possible? As far as I know the 3600M is based on the 8800M GTS but it has an higher power consumption than 8800M GTX (70 W vs 35 W).

I know I should be diffident of that type of announcement by now, after all the mess of the past days, but FX 3600M in a 15.4' notebook is kind of a dream coming true for me.

 

i know eurocom is offering a quadro card too but cant remember if its the same one.

 

Eurocom used to offer the FX 1600M. Now they offer the HD3870 instead.

 

omg, i dont know what 2 say......

 

Sure we are having fun with this notebook, eh?

 

the amazing thing is that we can still order the edge with the 9800GTX on pcmw website

 

yeaaa... that does kinda trouble me..

 

even more so is this 3870 thing...

WTF eurocom, just WTF....

 

ROFL,I told you guys,this laptop will make it into history

 

For its cutting edge performance or overly hyped performance?

 

For the rant about it

 

lol,they are sick

 

Yes it will probably support middle/high range card 9800M GTS but will be barely upgradeable due to temp budget restrictions.

But concider this, since ASUS in their G1S/G2S line usually use middle to high range cards we will for sure see ASUS lappies at the same price as the one listed by PCMW with the same specs. Notice that the G*S were blockbusters in the mobile gaming market.

Traditionally I suspect people usually by these high end machines from Clevo & Co becouse either they can't find it elsewere or can't find it cheaper elsewere.

In Europe especially the Clevo systems will be more expensive then the ASUS making it unsellable.

So I have some doupts if this will actually be such a success concidering the card limitation.

As for support of Quads, it will be soon (this year) the standard of any high end laptop so I don't see any advantages on the short term (wait for christmas, 4 months from August) beside probably pricing in the US but not in EU.

I don't think Clevo is conservative at all. It might be on the eyes of the posters on this forum, but definitely not conservative in the high end market as they are the first to support new and high end technlogy.

A company that builds the d901c can't be called conservative (as playing safe) if you know what I mean.

If this system could support the 9800M GTX they would for sure make anything possible to support it as without it lacks the edge over the competition coming in August to March.

No wonder why PCMW is pushing yet this capability.

Trance