Sager has confirmed with Clevo that the M860TU will not support 44W+ processors or the 9800M GTX because of the thermal budget!

Hello everyone, So I just got off the phone with PCMW again and spoke to what seemed to be the most knowledgeable sales rep so far so I would like to thank him for all the information I recieved.

In concerns with the 9800GTX support he is 100% confident that it will be kept and that if any modifications are needed they will be done. He did say that they were in direct contact with the Clevo team to work this out and that they will be putting it out there.

For those that are ordering the 9800GTX I was told that those users will have an upgrade path for the new ATI card as well.

PCMW will be carrying the M570TU and I was told it would be out probably mid to end of June as well as a laptop with crossfire in it!

I know that Donald from powernotebooks has told us that the 9800GTX will not be supported but the sales representative I spoke to told me that PCMW has direct communication with clevo and their R&D team and that they are working on solutions for the 9800GTX. He very politely told me that sager resellers probably do not have as much access to the clevo team but I obviously cannot be certain about that.

So after all this I will hold onto my pre-order with the 9800GTX and hope for the best results. If it comes down to the card not being supported then I will go with the M570TU but as far as PCMW is concerned they will have the card in the M860TU.

 

I really doubt what representative of PCMW said. "PCMW will be carrying the M570TU and I was told it would be out probably mid to end of June as well as a laptop with crossfire in it!", if you don't what is crossfire already, it means dual graphic system like Nvidia SLI. So, dual 3850 in M570TU? I don't think so.

 

I enjoy that they are "The most knowledgeable" when they are merely the ones giving the best to hear info. I sincerely doubt that they are in better contact than sucha large and influencial company as sager.

EDIT: That is not a shot at you auburn, just a statement about PCMW and peoples moral as a whole. Not trying to make an argument or be offensive to you. You've been more than helpful to me learning about this lappy

 

Just to be fair, by definition a Sager reseller is not going to have as much direct contact with Clevo as PCMW might; however, Sager certainly has direct contact with Clevo and, given the longevity of the relationship, has at least as much, and possibly more, contact than would an outfit such as PCMW.

Second, notwithstanding the PCMW rep's speculations, since the Sager resellers in question are under NDAs, which they clearly respect, neither we nor the PCMW rep have any way of knowing exactly how much information Sager and/or Clevo has, or has not, passed on to the Sager resellers - for all we know, they get to watch videotaped replays of every meeting a PCMW rep has with Clevo.

Third, the phrase "working on" is one of those squishy phrases that has to be handled with extreme care. Generally, in ordinary conversation, it carries an additional gloss on it that expresses confidence in being able to complete what one is working on; however, that gloss is not inherent in the literal meaning of the phrase.

For example, if I told you that I am currently "working on" a free-energy perpetual motion machine, would you be interested in investing in my business as a limited partner, or not? I didn't think so, because the subject-matter is so ludicrous that you're not willing to extend me the benefit of the gloss I would normally get in ordinary conversation.

For what it's worth, I hope that the PCMW crew has the brains and the inspiration needed to find a solution; however, at this point I wouldn't get my hopes up too high.

 

sorry it wasnt clear nirvana. the crossfire laptop is not the same as the m570TU. It will be a completely different laptop. No offence taken. I just posted what I heard for everyone else to speculate about. I dont have my hopes up but because i have the preorder in already I might as well stay until I hear it from them or see something better from someone else. And shyster your working on a free energy product? I've been trying for years... no luck yet...

for something very different but still cool:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/06/antiquated-hardware-used-to-masterfully-remix-radioheads-nude/

 

It would be epic if they came through, but it doesn't seem to be a safe bet.

It's not like these guys are the Best Buy geek squad. They seem to know a little about laptops.

 

Well, at least that's what I tell the wife when I need some spare time.

 

hmm, PCMW only seem to say what would make me happy. its like they are being held by gunpoint to never spill a word of bad news.

 

OMG! wtf was that! I thought i broke another one of my parents computers when that played!

 

Crossfire laptop? that will be the day...

 

lol, sounds like thos probiotic yogurt adverts where they make up phrases that make no sense in the english dictionary. "contains L casia Immunitass"
theres no such thing!!!!

 

I can tell you that this statement is completely false. The only companies dealing with Clevo direct in North America is Sager, ProStar and Eurocom.

With everything they have stated thus far, I am sure they are on the verge of manufacturing their own video cards too now? It is getting deep...

 

PCMW will be carrying the M570TU and I was told it would be out probably mid to end of June as well as a laptop with crossfire in it!

if this is true, then would they not have it for preorder by now, just like they did with the M860tu. I think someones fibbing! (i refer to PCMW)

.....i really wish they were on these forums so we/I could give them S**t

 

Well they also may have learned their lesson about PO's...

 

PO's? ........

 

Pre orders......

 

Oh boy, I guess it's a good think there's no PCMW rep around, he'd get way too flamed

 

PCMW gets their computers from Eurocom... rep told me

 

Well isn't that a big surprise
So Eurocom's bogus shipping dates actually influenced directly PCMW's marketing strategy.
Where is John Shore when you need him?

 

lol well then that could be why the whole thing started.. one word eurocom.. were they not advertising this even before pcmw was..

 

I did not know that (or else I forgot). In that case, the statement by the PCMW rep that PCMW knew more than the Sager resellers because they - PCMW - were in direct contact with Clevo is rather specious since this makes PCMW merely a Eurocom reseller, and thus no further up the food-chain than a Sager reseller. For their sake, I hope that was just self-serving bloviation from a rep and not the party line (this coming from a known bloviator ).

 

From about a week ago

See my post: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=3415383&postcount=1573 where I stated that Eurocom was backing their warranty (because Eurocom is their supplier)

See my post http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=3422080&postcount=1692 where I stated that they were neither Clevo direct nor Intel direct.

Any statements by them to the contrary are simply false...as in...not the truth.

 

Indeed. As I've frequently maintained, I'm often not the brightest bulb in the bunch.

 

lol i hadn't seen that post either. like I said this is what the rep told me, so i'm glad that your clearing up a bunch of other lies if that is indeed what they are. (there is evidence to support it)

 

sorry, i have to throw this out there:
Edge 15.4" Super Notebook EXTREME WEEKEND POWER-UP SALE ($400 instant rebate included in price) GUARANTEED LOWEST PRICE!

on pcmw site... I don't know what to say but it made me laugh for some reason.

 

Lol yeah saw that, they also changed the ship date and said only price match for 2 mos.

 

However I tried to configure the laptop exactly as I used to do during their original promotional sale, and the price difference is higher than $100 (more like $250). I guess either the base price or the options were increased.

 

Yeah that or if you had your student discount etc.

 

The old price was without student discount as well.

 

when i preordered they gave me a 300 dollar discount cas it was after the weekend sale but im going to call or send a email and see if i can get that addition 100 taken off and student discount because i didnt know about it before.

 

I can tell you this,

Either ppl in PCMW are mad or brilliant Time will tell.

I believe that the 8800M GTX WILLLL BE SUPPORTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Probably not now. Why you may ask? Well there is a lot of business to do yet with the 8800M GTX (stocks etc etc). When the 8800M GTS is announced in some other mainstream 15" lappy WE WILL HAVE A MOTHERBOARD REVISION to say the least.

It does not make much sense technically the 8800M GTX to be supported and not the 9800M GTX. I mean, 45nm with a few more Stream Processes might increase just 5ºC at the most when compared with the 9800M GTX. Indeed Clevo may already have the solution PCMW probably know it! It just putting pressure for they to come out with that instead of delaying it.

You may ask why Clevo is doing this? IMHO the answer is simple. By supporting only the 9800M GTX in the d901c there is motif for people to buy the d901c instead of this new one (die hard gamers). Considering that 9800M GTX in SLi might be impossible to put it in the d901c, not due to heating but due to architectural motheboard problems (FSB limitations), well it makes sense.

C'mon guys, 8800M GTX in SLi just came out 5 months ago (considering the shipping dates not the announcement), do you really believe Clevo is ready to kill it? I don't. Indeed, would the M570RU just be the brother M860TU? Hum I don't think so either.

This will give Clevo time to get a better mobo for the d901c that supports the 9800M GTX in SLi and then everything is going back to normal.

Time will tell.

So whoever buys the first batch of M860TU will for sure soon see their tech decapitated (before the end of the year) IMHO. This with absolutely no sound technical reason also IMHO.

A note about Crossfire. I don't know if people noticed, but Clevo is launching the M761JU with this specs:

AMD Turion X2 Ultra dual-core processor
ATI RS780MN chipset
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3470 Hybrid X2 graphics card
15.4" WXGA+ display
802.11b/g WLAN
2.0 MP webcam
Fingerprint reader
HSDPA 3.5G wireless

http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4443

We are now having the first Hybrid X2 card coming from Clevo. X2 is part of CrossfireX!

Trance

 

well it has been about a month since the big sale. it only makes sense that they change it to 2 months now

 

Notice,

I 'm abasolutely sure Donald, Justin and Paladin are telling you the truth. The truth of Clevo policy for now. From all the distributors Sager is the one fully inline with that. The rest is under NDA between them and Sager. Nothing wrong with that.

I think also that PCMW are also telling you the truth. The truth about what Clevo can actually do for you NOW if they want it in business terms! This most probably without voiding the NDA.

Remember the Quad Core story around the Clevo not supporting it in rev1 mobos in the d900c? I wonder if any of the customers that got Quad Cores with rev1+EUROCOMHACK mobos actually had any problems.

That is Thermal Budget for you.

It seams that PCMW is willing to do the minor hack once again

I also think that both PCMW & Clevo should not be in this forum although they sell Clevo's. Simply becouse their strategy is not fully inline with them, in order words they don't speak for Clevo.

I can see they supporting the 9800M GTX (if not shut up buy Clevo) by doing the minor hack and then people in this forum start once again telling - "WARNING, WHAT THEY DO IS NOT SUPPORTED BY CLEVO". A couple of months later, "CLEVO FOUND THE SOLUTION".

As for PCMW talking with Intel and Clevo R&D. Well maybe that is not entirely true. Maybe it is EUROCOM talkin. Maybe they actually have a good engeneer that EUROCOM trusts to talk with Clevo R&D. But this is a matter of CV (Curricumumn Vitae), who doesn't flower it up a bit to get their Dream Job? What matter is results, and that is hardly shown on the CV. THEY DID DELIVER QUAD CORES WITH REV1 MOBOs ON THE D901c, even when Clevo was telling us all it was not possible due to THERMAL BUDGET (Justin, Donald, Paladin were telling us that it was not possible on REV1 mobos)

I'm not saying that I agree with spicing up a CV to that point (there are other ways to do it), and that in this respect Justin, Donald and Palading aren't straight talking and that should be appreciated.

One thing is true. We are just perfect pawns. Perfect becouse we "desire" so much the next tech that we can sustain anything.

These are also facts IMHO.

Myself, I'm just enjoying the SOAP OPERA.

Trance

 

By the way. Who actually started this mess was IMHO Clevo. What was the company that told us that M860TU would support the high end NVidia 9*M Series and the company new that expectation were high.

Since usually in high end in Clevo world means the highest of the cards, well maybe they should have been more specific. I wonder why were not.

Trance

 

Can't agree with that at all. Even if Clevo made that statement initially, it never made it into production, and OEMs/Resellers like Eurocom and PCMW should know better than to advertise something before checking with the manufacturer as to whether or not it will actually be produced. The "cause" of the hoo-haa was the advertising and taking of pre-orders by Eurocom and PCMW, apparently based more on speculation than fact, not any statements made, or not made, by Clevo.

 

@Shyster,

I understand, but who started advertising in trade shows was Clevo before any press release (very strange indeed in terms of good practices). Anyway this latest point of mine is moot I agree.

I think they did contact Clevo (PCMW or EUROCOM). Wether it was positive or not they seam to have the resources to tweak the units. Remember that EUROCOM seamed not to need Clevo approval for the QUADS in rev1 so why would they need it now? They have sold units with Quad Cores (amongst other resellers). Never one customer came to this forum arguing that their unit was faulty or it lacked warranty.

"OEMs/Resellers like Eurocom and PCMW should know better than to advertise something before checking with the manufacturer as to whether or not it will actually be produced"

I also remember all the nonsense people talked about around warranties if something not Clevo approved does not have a warranty given by the OEM ir Reseller (or as if the OEM could some how escape from that contractual obligation).

I think it is strange that any OEM talked about in this forum besides Sager is a villan at product launches if you know what I mean. Especially since customers of PCMW talk well of them. They were selling Quads on rev1 mobos too.

It seems like Clevo/Sager is the all well intended God protecting customers of all evil by being "conservative", as if they aren't running a business.

PCMW, EUROCOM and others have previousely delivered units outside the specs "officially" told by Clevo to Sager and even posted on Clevo site. Not one customer that bought those units came here complaining about malfunction.

It is also true that they have changed specs before, but hey is that forbidden or an indication of scam?

I'm just giving them the benefit of the doupt.

Also I note that Sager (POWERNOTEBOOKS, XoticPC etc etc) are all today selling units outside the Clevo official specs (posted on the Clevo site). So it is not something uncommon even for Sager.

Trance

 

well for one as nirvana stated once, a gpu requires a certain housing while a cpu just needs to fit into the slot. So if clevo dont make the housing, wich they wont as they are not supporting the 9800m GTX, it would make it much more difficult for PCMW to perform this "hack".

 

I'm just dropping by to say that it's the 7th of June, only 2 more days till PCMW's ESD ...

 

lol.. they will not make that.. i dont believe it

 

yeah, that's still a factor. I think all of this discussion will be moot anyway until we see how well the m860tu runs with the 8800M GTX, at which point we can all see with our own eyes how close this thing is running up to the wall. If the 8800 is maxing out at 90 degrees in the 860, then I can guarantee you the 9800 won't make it in without a serious revision. If it's maxing at 75-80 degrees, then maybe it can fit. Until then, who knows, but I'm gonna give the benefit of the doubt to Clevo & Sager.

 

Lol I'm glad i cancelled, sent an email on wed, got this reply back today..
We apologize for the delayed reply; we have been experiencing routing issues during a recent server upgrade<---- ???. The pre-ordered Edge units are expected to begin production by the middle of June for shipment by late June / early July at the latest. We will keep you posted with any updates on the matter and thank you for your business. Your order has been adjusted to reflect the new CPU option and OS. Have a good weekend.

So come late june/early july server bug maybe ?

 

so wait you cancelled and then got a email about them changing the cpu??

 

Ya i canceled yesterday and got this email today which makes me wonder... Sent 2 emails saying im canceling and calling again on Monday to make sure it is canceled.

 

yeah man that would worry me.. i would 100% keep up on that to make sure its cancelled then..

 

Emails are hard to deal with.
CALL THEM, that never fails

 

makes me worry that it will be difficult for me to get my money back from them since i already paid by wire transfer

 

They already acknowledged that they wont make that dline.

 

we all believe 8800m GTX will be supported, even Sager and Clevo had confirmed that.

 

I think he meant the 9800GTX.

 

Donald = Paladin