Sager has confirmed with Clevo that the M860TU will not support 44W+ processors or the 9800M GTX because of the thermal budget!

Clevo had never said that M860TU will support 9800m GTX. It was Eurocom manipulating us.

 

I don't think Eurocom said it either, did they ?

 

it was on their "future" page, under specification, since then we all started talking about 9800m gtx.

 

I see.
Well,as South Park says, Blame Canada

 

Neither otherwise besides what Clevo told officially to Sager and Sager told us through Donald. What we heard before is that it would support the 9000 Series.

Eurocom had previousely sold units outside the Clevo specs so I'm giving them the benefit of the doupt.

Eurocom does not speak for Clevo as far as I understand, they speak for themselves and backup their statements to the customer by themselves.

The technical hurdles about tweaking the unit to support something outside the specs of the ODM I will not comment on that since I don't have the unit neither the skills to say one thing or another.

Trance

 

not for this time as it is nearly impossible for them to customize the 9800m GTX enclosure by themselves.

 

Who told you that the enclosures will necessarly be different? Can you backup that info with some technical data?

People mod notebooks all the time (granted not all people). Take Audigy for instance, he seamed to have very interesting ideas about how to had another heatpipe to his lappy fully avoiding a second fan.

Trance

 

every laptop have different enclosures for 8800m gtx so far, m15x, m1730, np5793, np9262, they are all different.

 

How about someone mod a liquid cooling + quad core + SLI 8800m GTX + hydrogen battery + touch screen + illumination keyboard + titanium case on NP5793 tomorrow? would you call that "officially supported by NP5793" as well?

 

and keep that in mind, PCMW are retailer, not manufactory, if any s**t happened, their supplier will not honor the warranty.

 

hmm, it seems like i dont have permission to view my own posts.....

 

No one does, its a search problem....

 

Yep,again some database error thingy.
Thought they said they're moving to something else rather than vBulletin since we literally have millions of posts...

 

weird......because I just did it 5 seconds ago.

 

yeah. we also use Vbulletin for small clan sites and adverts.ie

 

Ok, people, I give up. There is no common sense if people don't in principle trust something or someone.

But up to today you have no data to backup the fact that they ever lied to their customer(s) or failed to deliver their promisses. If they did, not more then any other company.

Yes it is true that their claims don't mach Sager'rs. Also Sager(s) seams to be inline with Clevo.

We will, see if they deliver those specs or not. If they do not and Clevo comes up with a solution in the next 2 months, someone is lieing to someone and it is not PCMW or even EUROCOM.

If otherwise Clevo comes up with with the support due to some change from NVIDIA then I'll say that you were all right and EUROCOM in my book will have no credit whatsoever in my book.

Trance
PS: By the way. I was thinking in terms of the enclosure for the 9800M GTX to be the same to the 8800M GTX. But people choosed another interpretation that would favor their mindeset. I just think that it is a shame that this forum is being used to promote one company and that is Sager against all other evils. Gladely that shows only at product launches.

 

trance. one of the features that the 9series (9800m) have is that they take up less space, so obviously it needs a different casing.

and why do you say give up? no one is arguing with you.

 

PCMW is actually does manufacturing. atleast the sales rep told me they do. again you guys can decide whats true or not, but why would he lie?

 

@Trance, there are tons of evidence that indicating they are deceiving the public.
1) Intel are announcing Centrino 2 on 14th July the earliest, no ones are allow to sell any Centrino 2 related product before that, no matter you are as big as Microsoft or as small as PCMW.
2) Sager is the largest corporation in North America who deal directly with Clevo. http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=3422080&postcount=1692

 

They do part of the assembly (CPU, RAM. Video Cards and a bunch of other modules they buy from Clevo such as the wireless lan card). They buy the barebones from Clevo.

But again, that is actually a minor detail overall since in EU a lot of companies do that. Has I said before, spicing up the CV.

Trance

 

1) So they missed the date by a month. So what? Didn't Intel ever missed a date? Didn't Microsoft or Sony or whatever? Heck didn't even Clevo?

2) Who cares if they are the largest. If that was a case well put no one would ever by a single Sager, but Acer(s) or DELL's. As far as I know EUROCOM also deals directely with Clevo.

Yeah maybe they are guilty of being Canadian since all other "similar" American companies have failed on precisely those points that you so much criticize them of. You actually do more then criticizing them, you call them liers.

Trance

 

9800M gtx is going to be smaller. Also we are making comments based on what Intel and Clevo said, if you could find any false accusations toward PCMW, let me know.

 

wow. what's the point in arguing? It seems to me everyone is set in stone with their belief system right now.

Trance, just let them bash PCMW to kingdom come. You aren't going to change anyone's mind right now.

Maybe when (or if) PCMW proves their worth by releasing this laptop to their pre ordered people before everyone else AND is the only company allowing a successful upgrade to 9800GTX and quad core. Then, I believe, you can state your case.

But at that point, I wouldn't suggest it, I think too many people would be in regret if PCMW did deliver.

 

1) Also we are making comments based on what Intel ...

Intel delayed the dates. It had previousely set a earlier date and changed it. Yes EUROCOM will also need to do that.

2) 9800M gtx is going to be smaller.

Haven't seen a board MXMIV or MXMIII with a 9800M GTX on it, so I can't comment on that.

Trance

 

I think we have to give PCMW the chance to fulfill their promise before bashing them away.Btw they have a $400 off promotion this weekend.

 

OMFG! no one is bashing them! its just stating facts! its tru they are going against the supposed rules from intel to not release before montevina is released. for all we know, pcmw have a special dead BUT WE DONT KNOW. if it comes out on time, GREAT! if not, then atleast we have reasons to blame.

your points dont make much sense as we have no evidence except word of mouth from either side of the story. quite frankly, maybe you are all just arguing, its just that people like nirvana keep cool.

 

You probably didn't follow this forum long enough. the point is that after Intel pushed back the release date from June 1st to July 14th, PCMW still insisted the M860TU will ship by mid June, which is un-logical because that is simply against Intel's policies. Until yesterday, their rep had confirmed that " there is a slight delay due to shipment re-routing, the machine will now ship by late June" <----- I bet PCMW will say mid july when they hitted the dead line again.

Well I wasn't saying that we should buy from sager since they are bigger company than PCMW, but PCMW rep lied to their customers that they are in direct contact with Clevo. Please read the following posts: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=3452489&postcount=351
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=3453137&postcount=362

I am not sure if you understood what I am trying to say. the golden principle, no companies are allow to sell Centrino 2 laptops until Intel announced them. but PCMW stated over and over again that they will be able to do so.

 

I wasn't arguing, I had my mind stayed at 5C

 

Oh brother. So much arguing for nothing ,give PCMW a break now, they're not the bad guys ,they're just trying to get more customers, and sometimes they the truth, but in a way, aren't we all ?

 

I wouldn't care if PCMW shippment date its delayed. I dont care neither if they said one shippment date and finnally they got into shipping in 2 or 3 weeks after... So what if it is delayed? Just focus in what really maters, the unit coming in excellent conditions with the spec we chose and withou any heat or any other issue... I suggets to start evaluating that (once the units begin arriving to our homes) instead of arguing about if PCMW made a mistake about the shipping date or whatever...

And even If I can call to clevo to ask some questions I dont Know why PCMW couldn't jsut make direct contact as customers as retailer or as any label you wanna put to them..

 

Honestely, personally I wouldn't care less if the unit is ever comercialized. I'm not interested at all in buying the laptop.

"Just focus in what really maters, the unit coming in excellent conditions with the spec we chose and withou any heat or any other issue... I suggets to start evaluating that (once the units begin arriving to our homes) instead of arguing about if PCMW made a mistake about the shipping date or whatever... "

That is what I've been telling all along. I just got in when people started saying they were deliberately lieing to the public when I had not seen real evidence of that. For me it does not make much business sense if they are lieing so blantely, maybe they aren't really that smart I don't know. They know a great part of business is about reputation (that is why people invest in marketing), if it get ruined the business goes with it too.

But I do think since they (EUROCOM) already issued a press release and they are already on the news if they don't deliver the 9800M GTX on this notebook they are asking for trouble. Since PCMW seams to be with them, they will also get it.

As for Intel policies I don't have knowledge of that particularly as I haven't read or saigned any Intel document regarding that aspect. But accepting pre-orders before actually the product is released to be sold is quite normal. It happened with PS3, XBOX360, happen's with games etc etc etc. What I think is that no shop is allowed to ship it to clients before the date instructed by the supplier.

Clearly EUROCOM and PCMW realease date is wrong as they cannot ship the units in two days without violating Intel policy. But I'm sure they will correct that. If that is a case to call them liears is up to you. But delays is quite normal on IT unfortunately. I personally hate delayes.

Indeed IMHO if it wasn't the support for the 9*Series and the Eurocom/PCMW statements this notebook would probably pass unnoticed on this forum. So merit to them at least for that.

I rest my case. Hope you guys are right and the 9800M GTX never gets into this lappy, otherwise this thread did more bad then good.

Trance
PS: I'm not arguing as of fighting. I just saw this phoenomena happening in the past by the same time d901c and the M570RU was launched. The result was that they did delivered what they promissed, they got delays (who didn't), but in this forum they haven't got much rep for that. I wonder why?

 

Actually, the M860TU got noticed as an alternative to the m15x

 

Right on brotha! i dont care much either cuz i have no need watsoever, but is interesting to witness finally a company going TOO far. We always know one or two companies will push the limit without clevo's backing. This time its seems as they physically Cant! Im just curious to watch the business strategies unfold, not the technological side.

 

your changing avatars too fast! slow down!

 

why did you quote me? this statement had nothing to do to my angry rant.

 

Oh sorry. I was just agreeing with you on that point.

Trance

 

I think the laptop woulda gotten the same amount of press without the 9800GTX. It would still be the only 8800GTX in a 15.4 aside from the m15x (if an oven with a screen and keyboard counts ).

 

Yeah. That will be really funny either way

Trance

 

Sorry my mistake, just edit it.... See?, everyone can make mistakes, lol

 

Who? me? Since when?

About stating that there is no evidence now to call them liears and as i read on this thread scammers? I mantain all my statements none of them are contradictory in this context. IMHO the things you are currently charging them as guilty are quite common (delayes). As for the rest time will tell if they will deliver it or not.

Trance

 

to reinforce theis point, i never eve knew about the 9800m GTX when i found out about clevo and their upcoming montevina laptops (M860tu mainly)

 

I would like to hear some more news developments on this thing tho. Do they normally keep you in the dark this much right up to its actual release?

 

That's about right.
Sager might tell us more about it in July unless PCMW ships units before.

 

DFTrance, I have been trying to avoid responding to your posts because they are mostly filled with speculation, along with some pure misinformation, and sprinkled with just enough truth to make them very confusing. However in the end I decided to respond because some people might interpret the absence of a response as acquiescence to the veracity of your comments.

Notice the Subject of this thread "Sager has confirmed with Clevo that the M860TU will not support 44W+ processors or the 9800M GTX because of the thermal budget"

PCMW said that the M860TU would be available with X and QX processors...Clevo says it won't.

PCMW said that the M860TU would be available with the 9800M GTX...Clevo says it won't.

This is after all Clevo's machine, not PCMW's. When Clevo says they will not offer this model with support or warranty for either component, and then PCMW, a reseller of Eurocom, tries to sell it with those components, there is something missing...i.e. the truth.

For those who do not understand how it works for the nVIDIA cards, let me explain that it is Clevo that develops them for their models using technology and licensing from nVIDIA, and Clevo is simply not developing the 9800M GTX for this model, and neither Eurocom nor PCMW have the capacity or the license from nVIDIA to do it.

This is not simply taking an existing Intel processor and putting it in a socket as Eurocom did last year with the Quad in the D901. This of course was in spite of Clevo telling them not to, and Clevo voiding the warranty on any laptops to which that was done until Clevo released a new motherboard revision that was designed to accept the Quad in a way that they could warranty its long term use. At least there you already had an existing processor that fit the socket. Here you have to develop the card, authorized by an nVIDIA license...and that is not going to happen for the M860TU.

Notwithstanding this PCMW continues to falsely advertise that it will deliver the M860TU with the 9800M GTX, and continues to take orders and people's money.

Now, for the Intel part of this. This is a new platform launch...not just a new model or new processor launch...and Intel has the right to control the launch date of their new Centrino 2 (Montevina) platform, and to prohibit any advertising, selling or pre-ordering prior to their authorized launch date. One of the reasons they do this is that in the event of a delay in the launch (as has happened here), they can control when everyone starts advertising it and selling it.

All Intel direct vendors, from the Multi National Brands to the smaller OEMs and Channel resellers are bound by the Intel NDA to conform to these rules.

Notice that PCMW is the only reseller in North America violating that prohibition...Eurocom isn't even doing it and they are PCMW's supplier! However we will leave the remedy for that violation up to the Intel police.

PCMW originally said that they had an M860TU that they were testing, and that it had more than one fan. They also told customers that they were already building some orders. Neither of these things are true. They have yet to put their hands on their first M860TU...see http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=3443706&postcount=221

PCMW also said they were Clevo direct and were working with and talking to Clevo's R&D team. This too is false. Their only connection PCMW has to Clevo is through Eurocom, and I can assure you that protocol would prohibit any such direct communication between Clevo's R&D department and PCMW.

PCMW also said they were Intel direct and therefore had access to the new Montevina processors before anyone else in the world, and would ship the M860TU with the new Intel platform before anyone else in the world. This too is false.

See http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=3422080&postcount=1692, http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=3453683&postcount=368

PowerNotebooks.com is an Intel Channel Premier Partner so I checked with Intel to see what they knew of PCMW. Intel has no record of doing business with this company. Of course Intel knows about them now...and they are NOT happy!

Those are some of the major points, and this post is already too long and repetitive of information that has been posted previously so I won't get in to the minutia...but I certainly hope you get the point.

Any "spin" of these facts to conclude anything other than the fact that PCMW has been falsely advertising, and communicating false information through email and phone conversations would also be false...as in...not the truth.

 

Long and detailed, that should clear things up

 

AM I the only reason every1 is saying PCMW is a eurocom resellers? Cuz im pretty sure thats wat a rep told me. I hope someone else has confirmed. Too much pressure if i misheard!!.. AAAAH!

 

No, PCMW get their units from Eurocom...

 

Paladin is always right.

But I am still curious to see what PCMW will ship out?

 

HAS any1 CALLED them to be like WTF are u gonna do now? cuz i always randomly call them to bother them about upgrading my D901c lol. Maybe ill call to just bust their chops about it and see wat they say.

 

Nope; you were right, as Paladin44 confirmed.

EDIT: Uh-oh, looks like I've been a malign influence on Paladin44, he's starting to post e-books too. The one saving grace, though, is that he writes superb non-fiction.