Some Info about W860CU (Pic inside)

OMG Kobalt, I think we are going to be good friend xD

 

Standard PSU for all countries, just the cable from the PSU to the wall socket that's different (we do offer European cables )

 

Do somebody have info about the overclocking possibility of W860CU ?

 

Overclocking the GPU wouldn't be advised with the GTX280M, its pretty remarkable to get that in a 15.6" chassis and to be honest I don't think you should push your luck by o/c further.

The CPU self overclocks depending on the number of cores in use.

 

Here is a link on Intel's Turbo Boost Technology that v_c mentioned above where the GHz speeds increases depending on the number or cores in use.

 

G860
Chassis - :: G860 Black/Silver 1
Screen - :: 15.6" 1600x900 HD+ X-Glass 1
Processor - :: Intel® Core i7 820QM Quad Core Processor 1.73GHz 8MB Cache 1
Video Card - :: NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 280M 1GB GDDR3 1
Memory 1 - :: 4GB DDR3 PC3-10600 1333Mhz CAS9 2x 2GB DIMMs 1
Hard Drive - :: 320GB 7,200rpm SATA-II with 16MB Cache 1
Operating system 1 - :: No Operating System Required - £75 Cash Back after purchase! 1
Optical Device 1 - :: 8x DVD±R/W 1
Bluetooth - :: Bluetooth V2.0 Module 1
7 in 1 card reader - :: 7 in 1 card reader 1
Keyboard - :: English US / Canadian 1
Soundcard - :: Integrated High Definition Audio 1
Headsets - :: None Selected 1
External Keyboard - :: None Selected 1
Mouse - :: None Selected 1
Mouse Mats - :: None Selected 1
Power Cable - :: European 1
Extra Battery - :: None Selected 1
2nd AC Adapter - :: None Selected 1
Warranty - :: 2 Year - European Collect & Return 1
Dead Pixel Guarantee - :: None Selected 1
Business Software - :: None selected 1
System Recovery - :: None Selected 1
System Recovery - External Image - :: None Selected 1
Carry Case - :: None Selected 1
£1,353.56 £1,353.56



Subtotal £1,353.56
Shipping (System Shipping - DHL Europe Ground 3-4 Days) £90.00
VAT £216.53
Total £1,660.09

Would make it about 1850E inc. shipping. Hmmm, maybe it's better if I'll just take a M860..

 

I know the Turbo Boost technology, but it's not interesting for overclockers, I would like to deactivate to be able to test the real overclocking potential of these Core i7.

The new i5 750 was so impressive that I hope a lot from them, Nehalem is usually a great deal for o/c ers ^^

 

G860
Screen - :: 15.6" 1920x1080 Full HD+ X-Glass
Processor - :: Intel® Core i7 720QM Quad Core Processor 1.60GHz 6MB Cache
Video Card - :: NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 280M 1GB GDDR3
Memory 1 - :: 4GB DDR3 PC3-10600 1333Mhz CAS9 2x 2GB DIMM
Hard Drive - :: 500GB 5,400rpm SATA-II with 8MB Cache
Operating system 1 - :: No Operating System Required - £75 Cash Back after purchase!
Optical Device 1 - :: 8x DVD±R/W
Keyboard - :: English UK 1
Power Cable - :: European
Warranty - :: 1 Year - European Collect & Return
Dead Pixel Guarantee - :: None Selected

Subtotal £1,180.56
Shipping (System Shipping - DHL Europe Ground 3-4 Days) £50.00
VAT £184.58
Total £1,415.14 (-75) => 1360.14

I'll sleep over it, but until now it's a dream coming true...

How much is usefull the Dead Pixel Warranty???

 

Neil, I see that you offer 1 year warranty, but EU laws have granted to consumers a two years legal warrany. Why doesn't it appear on your website ? Oo

Sorry to be annoying but I prefer being well protected for a purchase of this amount =)

 

Drop the 820QM and take the 720QM to save 142E and obtain a great CPU!!!

 

I do a lot of Photoshop work and other CPU intensive stuff. Any extra power I can get will be a great help, I would actually want the most powerfull CPU, but that one is waaaaay to expensive at the moment. Still, I think I will at least wait to see some benchmarks of the laptop and specifically the i7 CPU's.

 

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3647&p=1

 

Great prices Neil!!!! Cheaper than mySN even with a 280GTX!!!

 

Price of the 820QM seems to have gone down since you posted that. And don't forget that you will get £75 cash back, that is not reflected in the price.

 

Isn´t the W870CU supposed to be released one month from now? Just checking this because mySN seem to already have it.

 

Nice to know

Which CPU would you take for the M860??

 

How can we get a 75 pounds cashback ? =o

Did I misunderstand ?

 

To be honest, I haven't done much research between the difference of the T9600 (2 cores @ 2.8ghz) and the Q9000 (4 cores @ 2.0ghz) in Photoshop. I don't know all that much about the Q9000. But I would be leaning more towards the T9600, and 820 turbo boosts to the same frequency as the T9600 when using only 2 cores. But still has the flexibility of a quad core as well, that's what makes it so tempting.

@v_c: Actually, that was already post-changes. The only price that didn't change before the update was the price below in the configurator it self. When checking out, they CPU price was already corrected. So the specs I posted with that price are correct. You are right about the cashback though, didn't take that one in account.

Still, I'm going to sleep a night over this. No need to rush it. I am only a student, so I have to becareful with making expensive choices like this.

You get a cashback if you don't order an OS with the laptop.

 

You just saved me 75 pounds xD

I hope Neil will reply quickly to my question about legal warranty so I can make my order =D

 

The frequency is not the only thing that matters: the architecture is (should be) better, and make more at lesser frequency. Check benchmarks that will be around pretty soon

I'm a student/programmer, so I would love a Quad Core able to work great even with Single Core or Dual Core applications...

 

It's the case with the Turbo Boost tech, it has been created especially created for it (auto o/c when less core are used)

P.S. I'm also a programming student =) (computer science to be exact)

 

To answer both your q's Cafine:

The 2 year warranty is part of an EU directive, it's not a law in its own right and is only applicable in EU member states that choose to sign up to it which is why rcompanies in countries like Denmark,Finland and Germany have to (by law because their counrty sighed up to the directive) offer a minimum 2 year warranty.

The £75 cashback is refunded to the card or bank account the payment for the laptop originated.

Here some reviews and more information on the new CPUs following on from Justin's post earlier:

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1084/1/

http://hothardware.com/Articles/Intel-Core-i7-Mobile-Processor-Launch-Review/

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3647&p=2

Last one has an 870CU as the mobile i7 platform and explains CPU Turboboost

 

Sorry, but this is what we can read on your government site :

http://www.consumerdirect.gov.uk/

I'm not against you, I'm just a student-consumer that want to have the best from his hard-earned money

This a communication of EU about the application of Directive 1999/44/EC (because yes, it's a law, applicable to all EU members, the only difference between law and directive is that a directive fixes a goal and give the countries some delay to modify national laws) : http://ec.europa.eu/consumers/cons_int/safe_shop/guarantees/CSD_2007_EN_final.pdf
(Please read page 10.9 about Article 6)



And on the official Europe website about customer rights :

 

But paying that much just over a 5% speed increase is madness.

 

Geez that thing is huge for a 15" notebook.

 

...wait till you see the M15x.

 

No problem Cafine, I'll try and explain it in more detail for you.

The problem with all EU Directives and law is that they are all very misleading and complicated - makes our lives as an EU trading company increasingly complicated:-( They also have a habit of changing law and creating new ones to try and increase EU law harmony which keeps undermining our perfectly good UK laws but that's a different story!!!!

You are correct in that the Directive is EU Law and it is applicable to UK law however nothing new has been created in relation to this because the Sale Of Goods Act already offers 6 years of consumer protection. Unfortunately, as per usual with all EU Directives and legislation, it's all very missleading.

What it is refering to is very different to a manufacturer warranty and covers terms like "fit for use" over a longer minimum period. It is talking about consumer rights, it does not mean that manufacturers have to offer a 2 year minimum warranty - the manufacturer warranty is completely seperate to consumer rights. They do overlap but they aren't dependant on each other if that makes sense. For example the Distance Selling Act overlaps with Sale Of Goods act but they cover different circumstances, the DSA is also more concerned with consumer protection which is what the EU directive is concerned with.

 

Cafeine, based on the information you supplied, there is a distinction between the "guarantee" - which pertains to the "conformity of goods" - and the actual warranty offered by a vendor, such as Kobalt.

i.e. "The use of the term ‘guarantee’ can be somewhat misleading as many consumers relate this to manufacturers/ retailers guarantees on goods"

As Neil mentioned, some EU nations have adopted legislation which may directly influence the nature of the warranties offered (i.e. mandatory 2 year minimum, specific legal wording, specifying which language(s) may be used), but the information you gave merely states that the EU directive was essentially already a subset of UK legislation dating back to 1979 (the 6 year statutory limitation).

In short, from the info given, it doesn't appear that the actual warranties offered in the UK have, at present, been directly affected by the EU directive. What "conformity of goods" means for you should your one year warranty have lapsed and you have a problem is - based on the info given - unstated.

Note, I did not read the full pdf - perhaps it's more clearly articulated in there.

edit - Neil already responded.

 

I have ordered mine people, waiting will be more than difficult because I'm so excited to be able to touch it =D

Oh and don't hesitate for kobalt, their prices are awesome and their service seems very good ^^

 

spec? 10char

 

G860 1
Chassis - :: G860 Black/Silver 1
Screen - :: 15.6" 1600x900 HD+ X-Glass 1
Processor - :: Intel® Core i7 820QM Quad Core Processor 1.73GHz 8MB Cache 1
Video Card - :: NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 280M 1GB GDDR3 1
Memory 1 - :: 4GB DDR3 PC3-10600 1333Mhz CAS9 2x 2GB DIMMs 1
Hard Drive - :: 320GB 7,200rpm SATA-II with 16MB Cache 1
Operating system 1 - :: No Operating System Required - £75 Cash Back after purchase! 1
Optical Device 1 - :: 8x DVD±R/W 1
Bluetooth - :: None Selected 1
7 in 1 card reader - :: 7 in 1 card reader 1
Keyboard - :: English UK 1
Soundcard - :: Integrated High Definition Audio 1
Headsets - :: None Selected 1
External Keyboard - :: None Selected 1
Mouse - :: None Selected 1
Mouse Mats - :: None Selected 1
Power Cable - :: European 1
Extra Battery - :: None Selected 1
2nd AC Adapter - :: None Selected 1
Warranty - :: 3 Year - European Collect & Return 1
Dead Pixel Guarantee - :: None Selected 1
Business Software - :: None selected 1
System Recovery - :: None Selected 1
System Recovery - External Image - :: None Selected 1
Carry Case - :: None Selected 1

Subtotal £1,358.56
Shipping (System Shipping - DHL Europe Ground 3-4 Days) £50.00
VAT £211.28

Total £1,619.84 (-75 from OS cash-back)

And I'll be adding a Intel Postville SSD to boost this beast =D

 

Grats on the new machine! Let us know when it starts to ship

Duane

 

Will NotebookReview be getting a review unit? I hope so xD

Duane

 

NBR will be reviewing this model.

 

Cool! Can't wait

 

Aight, so right now Kobalt is the cheapest in Europe and I'm keen to place the following order, as soon as I get an answer to the questions at the bottom.

G860:

• Chassis: G860 Black/Silver
• Screen: 15.6" 1600x900 HD+ X-Glass
• Processor: Intel® Core i7 820QM Quad Core Processor 1.73GHz 8MB Cache
• Video Card: NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 280M 1GB GDDR3
• Memory: 4GB DDR3 PC3-10600 1333Mhz CAS9 2x 2GB DIMMs
• Hard Drive: 500GB 7,200rpm SATA-II with 16MB Cache
• Optical Device: 8x DVD±R/W
• Bluetooth: Bluetooth V2.0 Module
• 7 in 1 card reader: 7 in 1 card reader
• Keyboard: Dutch/French AZERTY
• Power Cable: European

• Operating system: No Operating System Required

• Warranty: 3 Year - European Collect & Return
• Dead Pixel Guarantee: 30 Day Zero Dead Pixel Guarantee

Subtotal: £ 1,485.56 (~ € 1,633.42)
--------------------
Shipping: £ 50.00 (~ € 54.98)
VAT: £ 230.33 + (~ € 253.26)
----------------
Total: £ 1,765.89 (~ € 1,941.65)
Cash back: £ 75.00 - (~ € 82.46)
--------------------
Total: £ 1,690,89 (~ € 1,859.18)



Neil@Kobalt, if you have the time, can you answer me the following 2 questions ?:

1. Do you have an ETA for the dutch/french AZERTY keyboards ? (I realy need an AZERTY one ^^)
2. I noticed that there is no option to place an Intel Turbo Cache memory of 2/4 gb, is there a reason for this ? (I want a 4 gb one in my system ^^)

thx,
/Prophex

 

Hi, we should be able to get hold of all the different language keyboards at launch (i.e. the start of October) but I will be able to confirm this closer to the time. There's no reason to assume there will be a delay but we didn't want to promise they will arrive at the same time as the chassis.

RE Turbo Memory, the Capella platform doesn't support it so it's not conpatible with the 860CU or 870CU. It will support Braidwood which is Intel's replacement for Robson but the last I heard it's been delayed. Unless Braidwood turns out to be much netter than Robson I wouldn't bother to be honest - we didn't sell many Robson modules because all the feedback was that it made pretty much no dofference to 99% of users!

 

Ok that's nice. But I do see 1 problem. I've read on your forums that the reduced introduction price will only be available for the next week or so. So would it be possible to pre-order this system with for example a UK keyboard, but ask to place an AZERTY one inside before shipping it ?, so that I can also benefit from the reduced price without having the risk of waiting untill the new keyboards become available, but then not have that nice pricetag.

Ok, that's to bad. No Turbo memory then I guess. ^^ (Altho some other resellers do seem to offer it. lol. Guess they are not as bright as you guys)


PS: If you want to avoid the forum, I can always start mailing you in person, if you prefer.

 

It's possible, it's the solution I chosed too ^^ (I'm from Belgium)

I'm just waiting for a price with an Intel SSD, I will order as soon as I receive the offer if it's interesting =D (wich I'm sure it will =p)

 

Huh, how come it says: shipping 50 pounds at Kobalt for you guys? It says I have to pay 90 pounds. I live in the Netherlands, but even if I choose Belgium, it says 90 pounds. That's nearly twice as much. That's just weird.

Subtotal £1,313.56
Shipping (System Shipping - DHL Europe Ground 3-4 Days) £90.00
VAT £210.53
Total £1,614.09

 

That's strange Oo

Indeed for me it's obviously 50 pounds for the slowest !

 

If you just choose the cheaper option it ships next day to the whole of Europe. We use TNT now but the website still says DHL so please ignore the more expensive option. In case anyone has ordered with the more expensive one I'll get the sales guys to check and refund the difference.

I'll get it changed asap tomorrow but as far as any orders go the £20 UK shipping and £50 Europe shipping are both next day delivery

 

Well it's not the 'more expensive' option I chose, it was just the basic option 90 pounds. The more expensive option is 150 pounds. I can't select any option that gives me 50 pounds like other people do. Anyway, if the shipping is really 50 pounds, and I might be able to get a tax refund at the end of the year because I am a student...this laptop does get really interesting after all.

Anyway, any updates on the battery times, or are they still unknown?

 

All sorted now, TNT 1-2 working days £60 for most of Europe. There's nothing that will make it £150 unless you are outside of Europe.

 

hi neil, just wana ask, is there fingerprint sensor on the kobalt G860? doesnt say on your specifications site, but it looks like it's present in the pictures. and also, the power adaptor listed on the additional AC adaptor is stated as 220W, so i would assume the G860 comes with a standard 220W power adaptor. but i've seen some info posted here that the AC is rated at 120W. which is correct? and finally UK delivery has been updated to TNT but the delivery price options are still more than 20 Pounds. thank you.

 

You mean £50 ? Or it just increased by £10 ? =/

 

Just noticed that Pro-Star is only shipping with the 1080p LED.

 

It's 120W.

 

!ORDER PLACED! (25th of September 2009)

G860:

• Chassis: G860 Black/Silver
• Screen: 15.6" 1600x900 HD+ X-Glass
• Processor: Intel® Core i7 820QM Quad Core Processor 1.73GHz 8MB Cache
• Video Card: NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 280M 1GB GDDR3
• Memory: 4GB DDR3 PC3-10600 1333Mhz CAS9 2x 2GB DIMMs
• Hard Drive: 500GB 7,200rpm SATA-II with 16MB Cache
• Optical Device: 8x DVD±R/W
• Bluetooth: Bluetooth V2.0 Module
• 7 in 1 card reader: 7 in 1 card reader
• Keyboard: Dutch/French AZERTY (<- I mailed them about placing an AZERTY one in before shipping it)
• Power Cable: European

• Operating system: No Operating System Required

• Warranty: 3 Year - European Collect & Return
• Dead Pixel Guarantee: 30 Day Zero Dead Pixel Guarantee

Subtotal: £ 1,485.56
--------------------
Shipping: £ 60.00
VAT: £ 233.83 +
----------------
Total: £ 1,777.39
Cash back: £ 75.00 -
--------------------
Total: £ 1,702.39 (~ € 1,850)



Just waiting for confirmation now, a mail assuring me that I'll get an AZERTY board in my notebook and info for the wire transfer. Then comes the long wait for actually getting it. Can't wait ...

/Prophex

 

Order placed too, and I got the confirmation email from PayPoint =D

I have chosed exactly the same laptop, except for the SSD (I took Intel 80Gb SSD) and the 0 pixel warranty (too expensive ^^).

Can't wait =o