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If you go strictly by stock 3DMark 11 GPU score, it's between the GTX 570 and GTX 580 category. 5,4k with a 2 year old CPU! Pair it with Ivy + mature drivers and you should get at least 5.8-6k That's amazing....

 

HD7970 works with the M15x. Benchmarks are also posted in the M15x section.

 

means everyone can upgrade!

 

Why is the screen resolution in that test set to 1280x720 ? Is that standard for 3dmark 11? Cause for previous versions it was 1280x1024.

 

560 ti is only 5800, this thing is only 5 percent weaker than a 560ti, that's just incredible. 7990m will probably match gtx 580, if these specs are all legit this is amazing for laptop gamers. I'll be able to Max out any game while in the comfort of my bed lol. Especially in d3 and bf3 this will rule. Me 3 will be nothing to this ha. I'll be playing d3 for the most part though . Hope resellers have this ready to ship on April 24, my money is ready to be taken.

 

Any update on the 680M release date/specs?

 

When any of that comes out, it will be so everywhere you won't need to ask.

 

Yeah, 3DMark 11 Performance preset is 1280x720.

Eh??? The 560 Ti scores like 4200 in the 3DMark 11 Performance GPU score. This is a lot more powerful.

 

That's awesome. Might think about an upgrade for the end of the year.

 

Exactly. here are some numbers for 3DMark11 P. we are looking at the GTX 570 at least, maybe even the GTX580 with mature drivers and ivy bridge CPU.

 

Was checking out the Vantage page. Think we'll hit the 20K GPU score, at stock?

Reference 7870 is at 24,255, 7850 comes behind with 19,863.

edit: brb, bout to go bother that M15x owner for a Vantage run

 

Whoa, if the 7970M reaches 560Ti levels we're talking about a beast here. That means it can probably run Metro 2033 :O

 

I think it'll hit it no problem. The 7850 only gets 4983 in 3DMark 11, but 19863 in Vantage.

AMD Radeon HD 7870 2GB and HD 7850 2GB Pitcairn Review | 3DMark11

I think it'll get around 21000. It's clocked at 85% of the 7870, but scores 87% in 3DMark 11. If we take 87% of the 7870's 24225, that's 21075.

 

Yep, should be around 22k easily at stock. It'll beat the 560Ti even the 448 core version. Just give it a nice CPU juice and mature drivers.

 

SlickDude got a 7970m he got P5600 in 3dmark 11 in the gpu. Lovely result. All stock, now we just need to OC the thing this , hehehehe

Vantage run
http://forum.notebookreview.com/alienware-m17x/658084-amd-7970m-available-buy-3.html#post8460297

11 run
http://forum.notebookreview.com/gam...658185-amd-7970m-vs-gtx-680m.html#post8460234

Lovely simply lovely

 

5600? The second link shows he got 5987!! Clearly the 920XM was holding it back when it got 5451.

Just...insane. But wait, the desktop 7870 got 6100 and this is right on its tail even though it's underclocked 15%

Is it due to better drivers since the 7870 first came out?

 

I just looked at the gpu score not the total score

and his temps are furmark run, 10min, 68c. thats some serious cooling.

 

Hmm? Which one are you looking at?



It shows 5987 for the graphics score.

 

combined score, I admit that I rounded it up

 

Oh okay. And yeah, 68C in Furmark. That's equally as impressive as the performance. Probably a ton of overclocking headroom. I think for sure we'll see 15% overclocks to put it right back to a full 7870 at 1Ghz and then some.

Such a nice surprise from AMD. I'm so glad they're being so aggressive. Now lets see what Nvidia counters with.

 

That Vantage score is actually ok and perfectly possible and it is also in line with what can be expected from this card, but nowhere near those 50-60% calculations I've seen been thrown around here.

 

Some considerations:
If that's the level of technology and performance reached for notebooks enthusiasts gpu cards, the future is bright.
We're looking at a gtx 570 desktop performance...thing is that a performance like that was utopia two years ago.

Considering how much well the 570 still performs at stock with those serious games such crysis 2...I do expect the 797xm and 68xm to have a blazing fast jaw dropping performance.

The first 3dmark scores are unbelievably good and awesome, now if only we get to see some benchmarks with dirt 3, f1 2011, crysis and crysis 2, metro, lost planet 2...

Oh also if the cycle keeps repeating probably nvidia will release a similar gpu that will score around 1-3% better based on some tests/games like it happened with 580m and 6990m.
As always AMD has the hardware but lacks the driver support. C'mon guys it's incredible that even with high level desktop cards some games keep struggling like Rage, Skyrim (althought it runs smooth but not on par with nvidia counterpart with weaker gpus) etc etc.

If it turns out to work in p150hm I will not wait for nvidia and switch to AMD for the second time in my whole life.
The gtx 570 performance in a 15" was exactly my sweet spot and what I was looking for.

 

not sure if this is the right place but when the 7970m amd gpu is released(hoping this week) do you think it would fit into clevo 170? been reading on this card in m17x thread and some guy has it. its meant to be a beast of a card

 

that was actually what we were hoping 5300 in 3dmark11, it got better results than the estimates. I dont know whats the big deal

 

Seems that it's working fine in m15x so I expect to see it working on 150/170hm as well since the mobo is similar.
Gtx 675m proved to work fine based on mythologic tests althoguht the bios sees the gpu card as "empty".
Maybe the bios isn't limiting the gpu installations at all. There's a good chance indeed.

 

it probably should work, and the 675m is just a 580m. just with another vbios.

and the m15x board is completely different from what the p150hm/70 have.

 

Over-enthusiasm I guess. Though truth is synthetics don't tell the full story. For instance, the 400M series fair much better in Vantage than the 200M series, but in real world game testing, the difference is not that big.

 

I know its completely different, by from a point of technology used, its similar, sandy bridge cpu with the same intel chipset.
Also dell proved in years to have a strict bios control over gpus, so if it works in it, theres a good chance it works in our 150/170hm as well, thats the logic im using.

Also about the 675m, i know its a rebadged 580m. What im pointing out is the bios behaviour when you install a 675m that has a different board id than the 580m.
To have it "supported" the same id should be enabled or added to bios.
The bios tho sees the gpu slot as "empty" which leads me to believe that theres almost no control on what gpu you install in it.

So my hopes to see the 7970m working in clevos are high.

Also on a side note, do anyone knows if p150/170hm shares the same gpu heatsink between amd and nvidia cards, or they differ?

 

Nah you wanted lower results to signify a more down to earth attitude. Those scores are actually awesome and right on what they were expecting. Im always a realist or pessimist, depends on the pov, however the results and estimations were on par. And from the 3dmark11 scores that I got from the 7870 downclocked to the same levels, yeah... they guessed really good.

NO, the chipsets are different. They arent in any way similar. The m15x uses a arrandale cpu, not SB.

the ID is derived from the vbios.

They are high because there is no whitelisting and we have prema on our side as well.

You should know that from your other thread

they share the same heatsink.

 

I thought the systems were similar, well i never had an m15x to begin with. Thanks alot.

Uhhh...i know that, what im pointing out is the whitelisting/blacklisting by system bios, which you pointed below. Thats what i meant.
Sorry for the confusion.

Yep as i explained above, you nailed it

Thats great, thanks.

 

I was talking others over-enthusiasm, not mine. But none the less, I get your point.

 

I can hear the throes of agony prevalent everywhere, as the disillusioned fanboys spout their last nonsensical "arguments" and "reasoning" as to why its impossible for an Amd mobile chip to massacre their venerated yet plague-ridden, criminally overpriced, throttling, under-performing trash, like the 580m/675m. This goes for its ilk as well, including the 480, 560ti, and even the 570. Welcome to the True Elite Mobile Gaming King 7970m, and goodbye to the days of outrageous temps/tdp consumption, exorbitant prices, throttling, and ultimately lacking graphics cards.

To all the believers over the past few months, it was a great journey, with an incredible payoff, and the ridicule and fear-mongering days are finally at an end. Will be ordering my M17x R4 shortly with the 7970m for an insanely cheap $200 upgrade. I now wish those still frothing with rage and foaming at the mouth, good luck in waiting for their imaginary 680m. Mayhap it will be available by the end of the year, and if miracles happen it may be under $1000. Its even possible that it can max overclock to reach stock 7970m levels, as long as you can live with ++++100tdp, and 90c temps (assuming no inevitable throttling).

You can now feel free to go to your speculation threads and get comfy for the long haul, but if you still must linger and thrash about, be aware that your in the presence of The King.

 

^ lol that was....intense.
Well i guess a true nvidia fanboi will not bother too much about the price tag assuming the 680m will be a performance monster like the 7970m at this point.
I always preferred nvidia over ati for alot of different reasons, but if the 7970m turns to be this good (waiting for game benchmarks) at a reasonable price i dont mind jumping to amd wagon.
Maybe im the only one on earth who really loves physx and cuda for different reasons (video enconding/decoding, gpu accellerated functions in some professional programs, better opengl drivers, physx enabled features and so on) but i can live without them i guess

Amd is pulling itself way ahead this time, but only time will tell. The same happened with desktop counterparts, but then the gtx 680 came out, and probably something else will see the light in a short period of time as nvidia is teasing.

This will be an hot summer, non the less, doesnt matter on which side youre on...

 

The only thing "hot" about Nvidia mobile Gpu's, will be its temperatures, and I guess the sizzling unpleasant sensation, as your pockets are burned to shreds. Also it may be a looooooong summer of waiting, so make sure to have a lot of fans at the ready, its insurance anyway for when you desperately try to cool your 4600 scoring monstrosity the 680m (obviously assuming no A/C due to the probable bankruptcy you'll exerience after mortgaging your home to buy your so called "Flagship Gpu" lol).

 

You sure hate nVIDIA don't you?

Although you are correct this will be after the summer.. We won't see anything of the 680M nor the 7990M until July, August or early September.. that's my call for sure. If lucky it'll be July- early August. Why would they release two beasts now? They got plenty of time to suck the money out of us

 

Maybe I'm misreading, but are you saying it didn't do as well as people made it sound like it would? Because to me it seems like it's even better. What are the 50-60% references to? Compared to the 6990M? Because it almost doubled the 6990M's 3DMark11 score. Again, I have a feeling I'm just misunderstanding your point and looking for clarification.

 

I hate nothing besides lies, propaganda, criminal rebranding, overpricing, overheating and throttling. It happens to be this is in line with Nvidia's current ideals and goals, and it seems to be going splendid for them, as evidenced by their insane quarterly losses.

I was outraged to have suffer through endless drivel and propaganda, which are an insult to all the knowledgeable and honorable members of NBR. A prime example was the rumors being spewed that the 7970m would equal the 580m/675m, when the 6990m had already long since surpassed it. However a brilliant theory has dawned on me, so I will now attempt to reconcile those outrageous claims.

7970m= 580m/675m ??
Fact 7970m= 2x throttling 580m/675m performance
Fact 7970m= 1/2 580m retail price
Therefore
7970m= 580/675m

If you can continue living in fantasy land then I'm sure you'll see hows those claims were verified. Also note that this is The Amd thread, and as such we will support our Mobile King Cards no matter what, if anyone has a problem with that, they can go to their plethora of threads and continue spewing their vile propaganda.

 

No no. It is doing just fine.
My problem was this:
In the desktop market, the performance at the same TDP has increased between 25% and 30% for AMD cards. Since it's the same architecture and die-shrink that is making the performance jump from the 6990M to the 7970M as it is for desktop cards. I just could not see how it would be possible to see performance increases of 50-60%.

For instance, if you factor the most optimistic performance jump that AMD has shown possible at same TDP between the 6000 generation and the 7000 desktop generation, which is 35% and the fact that the 6990M was 95W, then getting a 19k Vantage GPU score is perfectly feasible, maybe even more with a very good CPU (overall a 41% performance jump from the previous generation). But this is not the 50-60-100% performance increases that I've seen written around here.

Unfortunately I can't really comment on the 3dmark11 scores since I haven't worked with 3dmark11 in order to understand very well how it works.

Overall the 7970M looks like a great card and the price is amazing! I am going to buy a 3D version of the P170EM, but if the price of the 680M is not right and the performance is not at least as the 7970M I will just order one with the 7970M (still the 3D version of it ).

 

I ordered in Portugal bro, not US.

 

I'm as excited about the 7970M as you, but this is thread is for the new GPU's in general, AMD and Nvidia alike.

 

*thubs up for SlickDragon*

So how much TDP is the 7970m going to have again? 75W or 100W?
I think if the 7970m ends up being 75W and the 7990m around 100W, then Im going to pick 7970m for the sake of battery time.

Also, if AMD keeps up with its good prices and good cards (like it did with the 6900 series), Im never going back to Nvidia again. I still remember the "display driver stopped responding" stuff that happened with the Optimus on the GT540m. I also remember how the Diablo 3 beta recognized only Intel's GMA and wouldnt use the GT540m. Agian, Optimus is bad for my nerves.

I preffer manual switching for the graphics. I also preffer competitive pricing and fair performance over PhysiX that I cannot use due to the Blizzard games not taking advantage of it.

Cant wait to config my next lappy with AMD cards again.

 

At those performance gains, it's 100W - I guarantee you that.
But I wouldn't worry about battery life, modern GPUs know how to downclock in order to save battery.

 

15% less on the core but everything else is the same as the HD 7870 inlcuding memory bandwidth, clocks and shaders. It means the actual performance difference is less than 10%. So 6k in 11 and 20k in Vantage GPU - Whoa!

 

I guess NVIDIA has to change plan and go with
GK104 now to compete with that beast.
Finally some competition going on here.
Good for us!

 

Yeah, they might be able get their 5-10% edge but given the price difference, most people not gonna bother waiting. Even if the 680M beats the 7970M in BF3 and other Nvidia friendly games, the sheer compute performance will still be lower. You can see it in games poorly optimized for both camps. (e.g. Metro) where the HD 7970 beats the GTX 680. Also, glad to see that tessellation has been greatly improved on the red side, so titles like Crysis 2 no longer pose threat to the REDs.

 

Jeez, the nationalistic like thinking here is a little disheartening.
You all should strip the name and manufacturers of each of the cards away from it and always compare it on a specs/price basis. Brand loyalty is an impediment to competition and development, not a way to induce it.

Having said that, it sounds like 7970m will soon be the best option available.

 

I heard a lot of people saying that the 7970 beat out the 680 because of the 2gb vs 3gb of VRAM. They were saying that Metro managed to overload the card.

 

My faith in AMD is restored... this is freaking insane o.o i can't beleieve...

VRAM memory has very little effect on performance - it relies on the architecture itself.

BTW - where was the source that 7970M is coming out on the 24th?

 

dont come up fast, since we dont know gk106's performance per watt
maybe 680m stock core 1ghz mem 1.5ghz...who knows? at least those who under nda all say 680m>=7970m

 

This.
Also remember that nvidia has been teasing something since a week, probably something desktop related - but - we dont know if they will announce something in the mobile world as well during their announcements.
Speculations point to a probable gtx 670/690, with a new kepler core different from the 680.
If they keep on doing what they did in these years, probably the mid level desktop card - lets say, the gtx 670 - will be the base for the mobile cards much like it happened with gtx 560 ti and gtx 580m.
All the things considered, the 28nm process and the kepler architecture together could bring a good high end mobile card much like AMD did with the 7970m.
We dont have anything in hand besided some leaked benchmarks that didnt prove anything at all, since we dont know if those are photoshopped, or coming from an ES which can differ from the real product.
Im not taking nvidia defense here, but we need some concrete infos/proof before calling the 7970m the "king" of the mobile cards (lol).
Its easy to call it that way when theres nothing else on the market. If nvidia fails then (even from a price-tag perspective)....AMD take my money and STFU.