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You see, the 7970m is already here while the 680M is still months away. So, right now the 7970m is the king. Things will change in a few months when both the 7990m and 685m are out but I assume, each time the new card is out, it'll recapture the crown.

 

Even if the 680 is better, when it finally arrives, it still won't beat the 7970m on value going by past performance.

 

Btw wasn't the 6970m on par with the 6990m? I've missed that lineup but I've seeing people's saying that's basically the same card with lower clocks, much like it happened with 485m/580m (I'm talking about performance, Not the technology, as 485m and 580m have different hardware after all)?

What if both AMD and nvidia do the same this year as well? Maybe the 7990m/685m will be just a clock bump..

 

I've been looking everywhere but I can't seem to find a comparison between AMD's switchable graphics and Nvidia's Optimus. I assume that both will be available with the new cards? Are they similar in how they work? Is one better than the other?

 

So is it the worth waiting till end of summer, september, and get the gtx680m or buy the 7970m already?

I'm really in need of a new laptop, been considering a Sager, and the NP9270 is the one I've been eying for some time. What's your thoughts and recommendation?

 

The 680M is rumored for June, so it's not that far away.

 

I would bet my life on AMD and nVIDIA has some kind of gentlements agreement on something regarding their hardware specifications. Somehow... I am sure of that

 

Personally, I would say the only reason to wait would be for a 7990m or a 685m. I don't think the 680m will beat the 7970m and in the off chance that it does, it probably won't be enough for a 2 month wait as it's not expected out until June or July. I don't plan on waiting myself.

 

We should know for sure in a couple days, but it seems to me that mythlogic got the switchable graphics working with the 6990m, so I don't see why it wouldn't work with the 7970m. I believe they got it so it's automatic as well.

 

Yeah the release will be somewhere between June and september, but I doubt we'll see the release in the beginning of the summer.

Now I've never had a Sager gaming laptop, but I know some brands like AW have upgradable/replaceable GPU, how about the Sager/Clevos (NP9270)? Been thinking to get the 7970m now, and at the end of the year getting the 680m or 685m if that is possible now.

 

Possible to swap gpus but very expensive for what would be a modest performance gain. The mxm cards cost a couple of 100 at least.

 

Yes, there are rules and agreements for sure. It looks almost like they are a single entity, split in half to suck out our money more effectively

 

Minus Nvidia posting profits and AMD posting losses

 

You are totally wrong.
6990m has 1120 shaders.
6970m has 960 shaders.

Also, core clocks are different.
6990m - 715mhz
6970m - 680mhz.

As for the second statement "Maybe the 7990m/685m will be just a clock bump" - wrong again.
gtx680 will have 768 unified shaders
gtx580/675 have 384 unified shaders

Same with AMD - different shader count.
6970m=960
6990m=1120
7970m=1280
7990m=? (maybe 1536 shaders, Im almost positive on this).

 

Happy to see someone shares the same thinking as me. There's definitely something behind all of this.

nVIDIA releases something beats the living damn out of everything, and before we all know suddenly AMD suprises the hell out us. Coincidence? I don't think so

 

I see thanks for clearing up that.
I was asking because I've seen a lot of 6970m users bashing 6990m users with statements like "you spent much more for the same performance that I have but I paid my cards way less" and I wasn't really getting why.
So either those saying 6970m is basically a 6990m can't afford a true 6990m or they are plain stupid.
Anyway as you may have noticed I knew I was wrong, I was just looking to sort out my curiosity on the subject since I never owned any of those cards.
Thanks again

 

I don't get it... who says that?

 

some users say that the 6970m can overclock way past the overclock potential of the 6990m and get more powerful results from their cards than the ''newer'' guys in town.

 

I remember the 6970M being around 10-15% weaker then the 6990M o.o

 

6970m is trimmed down 6990m, but 7970m/680m is already full spec core, so if want a shader bump.....must use tahiti/gk104

and remember es sample have two extreme:
buggy/hot/big power draw......(most of es)
performs good/cool/little power consumption......(very small amount, but the chip is too rare or cost too much so manufacture not going to mass product it)

 

No one, ever, at least not on NBR. Who could say that, when the 6990M directly replaced the 6970M, and came in at the exact same price?

 

actually it was here that I heard, however its not true as you put lightly

 

Darn it...... Powernotebooks have the ATI 7970 upgrade for $200..... $100 more than the Nvidia 675..... I thought ATI was going to be cheaper!

 

That's extremely disappointing if true for all Clevo resellers. AW has it for $150 less than the 675M but Clevo has it for $200 more? Why the $350 difference?

Edit: it's a $250 difference, not $350.

 

It's hard to say what the actual price is just based off Alienware's prices. They may have a deal with AMD to get as many cars out onto the market as possible, or (probably more likely) they're just overcharging for the Nvidia cards.

 

dont forget on AW 675m cost 350$ more than 660m, and 660m probably must cost same as 670m

so on AW 7970m only 150$ more than 660m=670m

 

We dont know the deals that went between the companies, that usually defines the prices. Ok 99% of the time

 

The way I see it, it means that the price difference between an NP9150/70 with a 7970M and M17x R4 with a 1080p screen and 7970M is much closer than usual. But with the M17x, you get graphics switching for better battery life (also helped by the bigger battery compared to the NP9170). It also has an HDMI input.

 

I didnt said it was bad for business

 

Who says you don't get graphics switching on the P150EM/P170EM?

 

Interestingly, notebookcheck updated their benchmark list. The 7970m was listed right below the 680m before, but now it's listed well above it.

Mobile Graphics Cards - Benchmark List - Notebookcheck.net Tech

 

Any idea if 4gb variants are coming soon?

 

Well the price is a bit higher than I expected. I'm probably going to have to sack something from my build to keep it within budget.

 

I admire you being so sure about it, but I seen it twice from two different users in some threads in Gaming section.
I don't recall exactly the topic but it was a about AMD drivers and cards.
Since then I've had this curiosity - and since im a total noob about amd cards - I thought it would be cool asking

 

I know it's there for Nvidia cards, but I haven't heard anything about AMD.

 

Mythlogic got it to work with the 6990m, so it should also work for the 7970m.

Alienware already offers GPU switching on their AW models, so it is possible for AMD.

 

as a x7200 owner, i am naturaly asking the following q:
1)Will there be the need for a bios update or something ?
2)Morning is the launch day for 7970m. Where can be 2 pieces ordered from ?

 

yeah I don't believe we are going to see a 7990m there was no 4990M 0r 5990M in the past so

 

OK, so if Im right, the 6990m scores in the 3500-4000 range on 3dmark 11 correct? And the new 7970m scores in the high 4k low 5k range? Sounds like in reality the improvement stock is only about 25-30% improvement.......pretty much what I expected.........games that still play at a low framerate with a 6990m are still going to play at a low framerate with the 7970m in reality. Doesn't sound like a worthwhile upgrade if you have a 6990m overall, definetly not if you have a pair in xfire for pretty much all games.

 

No.

Single 6990M scores around 3300, single 7970M scores 5600

Vantage GPU - 6990M = 13K, 7970M = 20K

 

ignore ntrain, he lives in bubble

 

Math isn't his strong point...

 

Yeah... benches show 50-60% performance gains. I expect about 40% gains in real life tests - as in games.

 

did you saw this? lol

 

Holy crap that's amazing.

 

Slickdude posted some actual game fps.

He mentioned bf3 was running in the 50's ultra maxed (1920).

Everything else is in the high teens to low 20's. That seems to be a little
better than a 20-30% improvement.

 

The 7970M looks like a great GPU, and I really wish it was going to be available before the end of May. I just can't wait until June to get a new lappy, so i guess I'll have to go w/ the 675m and upgrade later. Too bad...

 

yeah to me it looks like a little more than 30% improvement over the 6990m maybe 40% maybe more and that is with drivers not optimized

 

It's going to be available within the next week.

 

Sadly not according to xotic. Im thinking more about ordering an Alienware now so I don't have to wait...