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I definitely think it'll have some odd 20~40% performance increase but a 75%+? Well if that's whats going around, just take my money. Just take it.

 

did you actually read the thread that was linked to you?

 

Why deal with actual proven reality, when you can close your eyes and the type random letters known as your opinion into the keyboard instead?

There is clearly a conspiracy afoot.

 

The 7970m seems like the first card of the new design this summer, with the GTX 680 and rumors of a fabled 7990m, and as such will see a large improvement even if we don't have the independent evidence just yet (I think we'd be shocked to see anything less than stellar). But the timing of the 7970m is much better - Coming out right around Ivy Bridge release which comes right after new Clevo machines.

I imagine people who hold out for better cards than the 7970m are going to end up paying more, getting it later, and having it be a small performance increase over the 7970m (though both will be vastly better than the 670m-675m).

In my mind it seems like the price, timing, and jump in performance makes the 7970 the obvious choice instead of buying a 675m now or waiting for the 680m later.

 

When you play the game of thrones, you win or die. There is no middle ground

Cersei Lannister

 

Nvidia is supposed to unveil something the 28th of April, the fact that they have been so silent puts them on track anyway since the 7970m is supposedly available by the end of may.
What if they had this planned from the beginning? I mean, having in mind to launch something in the same moment when the 7970m comes available to resellers?

 

I think that is their gtx 690 for desktops.

 

They know everything about each other, now regarding nVIDIA's unveil.

I would assume it's some desktop hardware, probably a GPU (ofc) but as it stands of now they are trying to overshadow the power of the AMD's mobile breakthrough with their latest and newest show on the desktop market. Simple, yet brilliant

 

Presale of GTX 670 is happening right now. Release 10th May. This is our GTX 680M and I`m pretty shure Nvidia won`t use too much time to unleash the GK104 680M now that AMD is out with their 7970M

 

From what I gathered, while lurking in the chinese forums, is that then 7970M that has gone on sale now was earlier meant to be the 7990M...so guess Nvidia didn't see that coming and may now release the 685M (gk104) as the 680M.

It's just my own 2c, but hey if it holds...LUCKY US, eh?

 

Hm interesting. Wonder what made AMD skip the original 7970M. I too think Nvidia have a Plan B and a backup plan incase something happens, like this direct jump to 100W.
You just got to love this competition right? Thank god we have two companies pushing each other

 

The early 7970M from end of Jan. was just giving 5-10 frames max above the 580M...
Yaeh, Nvidas plan B is to blame TSMC...LOL.

Just kidding

Hope we see the GK104 going mobile in the 680M

 

Agreed. The only reason I'm sticking with nVidia is because I don't expect them to roll over and let the 7970M dominate this generation lol. The same would go with AMD had nVidia come out first, naturally. If we're talking about more than a month between releases, whoever releases last has to have the better product in one dimension or another, whether it's price/performance ratio or straight-up performance. With that in mind I want to get the most future-proof system my money can buy, particularly since the government will be subsidizing a large chunk of the purchase thanks to some serendipitous circumstances.

My self-imposed deadline for a new system is by the end of the summer, so I have something shiny to take to my last year of uni. If the green team lets out their latest before then, I'll happily place an order as early as possible since I doubt there'll be any more major top-end releases until the holidays.

Oh, the upgrade will be so SWEET. My sigged system is like a puppy in the face of gigantic DRAGONS with 7970M or 68XM tatooed on their foreheads.

 

I hope they release a part that is 20% faster than the 7970M.

 

sincerely I wasnt buying that, my guess is that they saw a 7870m or something like that and thought it was a 7970m

There is simply no reason to avoid the 100w tdp right now, its out there, go use it. There are other chips in your desktop line up that can make up for the lower end cards

 

Ok, so you've asked me if I've read it here it is your "proof"

Couple of posts saying how they've ordered it, believable and only one person with pictures installing so I'll admit slick has it installed, and bunch of other posts about "wow that's amazing!!" or "that's great screen shots!!!"

Your right what the heck was I thinking. My bad, I guess I'm just illiterate or didn't have the time to go through 50 more pages of "wow good job!"

If you think I'm being ignorant go for it, people doubt things they have skepticism, ignore my posts if you think its outrageous.

 

There's really nothing to be skeptical about. The performance reported is exactly what is expected from the specifications.

 

Not really. No one expected that power. Now please lets wait and see until the real reviews, benchmarks and some actual real people get hands on.
Can't stand all of these speculations etc etc replies going back and forth

 

"Real people" like those in the Alienware forum, at this very second? It's almost like some of you're questioning their integrity and honesty, by continually disregarding that they're already providing real benchmarks and reviews of the card's performance.

I don't understand. Please clarify your positions.

 

+1 for 7970...sorry guys. Just working for that 5 post limit

 

What machine are you looking to buy?

(I'm throwing you a bone)

 

You sure a Manmad alright.

First of all I do not have to clarify anything, but I will do due to pure kindness. You seem oddly obsessed to be correct, so I will try to explain.

I am not questioning their integrity. I'm slightly confused towards the real benchmarks using the bugged VBIOS that can't even overclock the 7970m (last time I checked), now I don't care what they've achieved back there in the funny Alienware corner of the world. What I want is to have some legimate benchmarks, with real WHQL drivers and a freaking working BIOS. Now as SlickDude80 said:

I hope you understand

 

You yourself agreed that it would be at least 40-50% faster than the 6990M in post #314 of this thread. We've pretty much known all along that the 7900M would be based off of the desktop 7800, and I calculated a "7990M" would be 50% faster than the 6990M.

What I didn't expect was that AMD would go all out and make the 7970M 100W and that they didn't have to downclock as much from the 7870 compared to the 6990M and 6870.

 

My expectations have absolutely nothing to do with my personal disapproval of the benchmarks and funny business they've got going on AW forum, not offense intended, just saying, they play around, lots of power, just don't take it too seriously.

But agreed, didn't expect the 7970 to be 100W at all, I would at least expect them to save some power towards the 7990 (if they even supposedly are considering to release such a thing).

 

I heard Nvidia is more reliable thus less likely to cause problems in the future and has PhysX (What is that and is that important?). Whereas AMD has disadvantages in reliability & drivers. Please readers express your knowledge in this area if it is true.

I render alot in H.264 so how much slower will 7970M be compared to 675m or 680m since 7970m does not have CUDA cores. (Since CUDA cores work well/faster in H.264)

Finally if I wait till 7990m comes out how much more performance can I gain? And when is it likely to come out?

Thank you all in advance.

 

Both Nvidia and Amd have had problems with reliability as has intel for that matter. I have had more problems with nvidia drivers and hardware, but there's no guarantee either way.
As for the 7990m, no idea when or if it will be released.

 

Aka it's extra particles falling.

That's it. Look it up on youtube; it's hardly significant. ooooooo ohmygod you get to shoot walls and watch parts of brick fall on the ground! whoaaaaaa!

 

Rather have better fps myself. I know what you mean.

 

What about HD videos rendering? Is 7970m gonna be alot slower to do the job?
So AMD cards are not bad in terms of reliability nowadays? And drivers? How are they compared to Nvidia?

Also do you guys think GTX680M will be able to beat 7970M when it comes out? And will 680m be alot more expensive than 7970m?

 

AMD cards have not had serious driver issues for quite some years, there those that make or brake, just like nvidia, that bad rep is much like the one that amd cpus overheat a lot, that happened over 10 years ago

 

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If it's a 100W card, then it definitely should. We can see on the desktop side how much more efficient Kepler is: the 680 is 25% smaller than the 7970 and consumes less power, yet still manages to outperform it by a fair amount more often then not. A 100W Kepler should perform very close to or on par with a desktop 580.

 

but thats only IF nvidia decides to change the 680M base from the currently rumored GK106 to GK104,which is the only desktop chip we know as of yet. unfortunately,we dont have any real data yet on the GK106 (afaik), so well just have to wait and see.


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I think not.

GK 104 is not that much more efficient than the Radeon 7970, and you're comparing a chip that was designed for gaming with a chip that had GPGPU in mind. Of course it's bigger and consumes more at a similar level of performance, what would you expect.

But if you take a good look Pitcairn is the most efficient chip albeit running in a different category. The fact that AMD was able to just cut the clocks of the original chip by 150mhz (+ slightly undervolt it) and make it into a mobile chip is impressive.

Nvidia will have to shave off a good share of the original GK 104 if they want to make it their mobile flagship. Considering they are also bigger, their cost will be higher too. Such questions as "will they be able to supply enough chips" and "will they be crazily overpriced like every nvidia high-end mobile card have been for as long as humanity can remember" are very relevant and don't have an answer yet.

On the other hands the answer to the question "will it trade blows with Pitcairn in a <10% interval ?" is most likely, yes.

It was rumored at some point that the GK 106 would become the GTX 680M... I certainly hope this isn't so, paper specs look pretty bad against Pitcairn's...

Anyway if I had to buy a gaming notebook now I sure as hell wouldn't bother waiting for Nvidia's retaliation but that's just me.

 

I was kind of familiar with the whole backstory, but not all of it. Thanks for clarifying.
We'll see the true power of the GPU at it's release... twice the power of the 6990m's or not, it'll be strong still wondering though..

 

That's the biggest pile of BS I have heard. This is facepalm worthy, lol.

Read this folks: http://forum.notebookreview.com/alienware-m17x/658084-amd-7970m-available-buy-89.html#post8477156

 

just got answer from eurocom about 7970m!!!!!

Dear johnnyman27,

cards are MP version - MASS PRODUCTION final version of HD7970M silicon - we are not shipping any ES (Engineering samples) or QS (Qualification Samples) - so they don't need to worry - they can check with us

- upgradeyourlaptop

 

So I noticed a while ago, but I kinda though Aikimox for being a reputable person...

but as far as I understand, you've got the DELL cards, and some other have got the EUROCO N ES 7970m cards? Damn confusing it is....

 

Me, SlickDude and graz'zt are the only people on the whole forum who have Dell 7970M QS GPUs (maybe 1 or 2 more peeps) - there are no Eurocom/Clevo ES cards as far as I know. Aikimox is an example of very good trolling.

Our vbios is not bugged at all; there are no proper drivers yet, like there are no proper drivers for the GTX 675M/670M. You have legitimate benchmarks already, from 3 members plus AMD.

Damn, am I not a real person?

 

As far as I know, no one in the forums got and tested the Clevo 7970 (ES) yet.

 

You are a real person indeed, there's a reason that I chose to put it in Italic, I want to have some actually working drivers, with a proper vBIOS (your might work) but I would love to have a AnandTech benchmark when everything is under the correct circumstances as in when it will be released.

No offense, appreciate the work you do (obviously! ) I just want to see a perfectly legitimate reason to purchase the 7970m (as if I haven't already with the power it surely has, OEM power would be nice)

 

no problem, we will have trimmed down gk110 for quadro flaship card n14e-q?, bcz gk104/106/107 dont support ecc
hope theres gk104 quadro too...

 

And... I'll have one Monday hopefully

Keep up the good work guys (who legitimately have the cards), the information that you've provided has been invaluable to the forum. Luckily I lucked out and don't have to deal with Eurocom after these allegations.

 

You are very lucky indeed WT, i wish i had your connections


IF i was affiliated with eurocom, do you think i'd be on an Allienware? it would make sense if i was rocking on a Clevo computer, right?

And for those that want proof that our cards are Dell cards...look below. These are the final cards. The results of these cards will be the same as the production versions that will appear a few weeks from now. We are already scoring 5800-6100 3dmark11's, GEO scored almost 22K on vantage yesterday. And this is with hacked drivers. Just wait when we get some official support

GPUz won't be updated to support the 7970m until the next version (we contacted them yesterday), however, you will still get the idea:

 

Regardless, thanks for all the information you guys have provided us thus far.

and lol @ changing the writing on the vram chip. Thats a VERY high quality BIOS flash if it does that.

 

Please which brand do I choose? AMD or Nvidia?
I want to play games like Crysis 2 & 3, GTV 5, Counter Strike GO in 1920x1080 @ maximum settings. And hopefully for as long as possible for future games. I also want to render my video recordings in H.264 on Adobe Preimere Pro & Sony Vegas Pro.
I want a card that's reliable and future proof.

 

Both nVIDIA and AMD are future proof. It's a question of power, wait a week or two and you shall have the answer

 

From my personal experience I've found that nvidia will cost more for a bit better performance usually around 10% more but the main benefit I believe you get from going with nvidia cards is that its alot easier to overclock and that overclocking will give you a much better performance, but thats just what I've seen with both cards.

Its pretty much the same thing here though the 7970m is currently the best but the 680m that's coming out approx. a month later should topple it. By how much? Who knows, probably 10~15%.

 

You can't say what the nvidia card will do as far as overclock is concerned, nor its stock performance.

 

Exactly! No one knows, we don't even know how well the 7970m performs under real circumstances with actual drivers! Damn... technology performs too good these days, not to talk it evolves even faster