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You just cant see reality.

Desktops have been dropping in terms of sales for several years, being surpassed by notebooks for also some years.

You can tell me that people also upgrade their desktops, thus the diminishing of the sales, due to the plateau of what we perceive as good performance have been achieved. Incremental upgrades can be bought.

I have saw most of the company that I worked ditch desktops, the share when I entered was 80% desktops and 20% notebooks, now its 70% notebooks and 30% of desktops, and those that are there are only in the factory floor or the entrance and lower needed positions. They have a bulk contract with lenovo, which changes all their pcs in 3 years.

My entire family has moved to notebooks, actually most of the families that I know have gone for notebooks, including lower income ones (the new middle class here, C, or even D and E).

You can tell, as you told me, that people looking for performance are the ones going to keep the desktops, and I agree, with the gains of power of notebooks they might go for a more mobile approach, some now, some latter, and some not in the foreseeable future.

Basically to summarize, extreme performance is desktop territory, most of the other people notebook territory.

One thing that I found quite clever is the launch of the 15'' ultrabooks. It would deliver good performance, and good battery life for the larger market, that is the 15'' market.

 

I never understood the need for people to justify the choices they've made by saying whatever they did not choose is going to die.

pc gaming is dying, console gaming is dying, hand held gaming is dying, desktops are dying... etc etc.

I guess I'm screwed then, since I use both desktop and laptop, and I game on pc/console/handheld, pretty soon all these will die and I'll have nothing to use!

 

Let's hope high performance desktop computing keeps on kicking for years to come. It continues pushing the tech further and higher for those of us that are gaming laptop enthusiasts. I love building and using exotic desktops, but simply cannot be tethered to one spot because of my lifestyle. I can no longer justify the expense of building or owning one for the simple reason that I would rarely have an opportunity to use it.

The performance gap is narrowing, as the information in my signature demonstrates. The gap may not ever close completely, but there will continue to be a demand for extreme performance laptops like the dual GPU monsters offered by Clevo and Alienware. A high performance desktop cannot serve the needs of those of us that travel extensively for business or pleasure; or those that simply prefer to get their game on away from the desk. For folks like us, a monster desktop is about as useless as a netbook or an iPad... it cannot do everything that we want or need it to do.

 

The performance gap has been narrowing and widening depending on performance per watt and what TDP desktop GPUs use.

Mobile GPUs could always compare to desktop GPUs in this sense, only problem was that most of the time, the high-end mobile GPUs were comparable only to mid-range desktop GPUs. Now, high-end desktop GPUs don't have very high TDPs so it is possible for mobile GPUs to catch up with them, especially since the max TDP for mobile GPUs has been increases to 100W.

However, if next generation high-end GPUs will be somewhere north of 150W then I assure you mobile GPUs will be left behind once again.

 

I got a desktop last year and had major buyer's remorse afterwards. There's nothing wrong with the computer; the thing is powerful and runs anything I need it to with absolute grace, but none of that even matters because I loathe being chained to one spot. It limits my ability to do work where I need to do work and, honestly, in college nowadays it feels like committing to one spot is social suicide. Specs alone do not make a machine.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/asu...659534-asus-g75vw-ivy-bridge-660m-review.html

For anyone who hasn't seen. Only person on the whole of NBR right now with a 660m I think

 

helow biatches, heres some new benchies on 650M and 7970M (aka the BEAST).

Grafikkarten: Benchmarks zur AMD Radeon HD 7970M und Nvidia Geforce GT 650M - Notebookcheck.com News

use google translate whenever needed (but then again, who DOESNT speak german nowadays, right? )

enjoy

 

Not that it's a good indication of real-life gaming performance, I guess I would have thought the Vantage score for a 3960xm with dual 7970ms would have been much higher than P31127 at stock... I used to get over 30k with my m18x with 6990ms OC'ed.

 

tru dat@7970M CFX, doesnt look like it would scale too well, at least with vantage. lets just wait and see what the gaming benches will say to that

 

I love you man! Gonna read the review now. I also love notebookcheck, their reviews are AWESOME!!!

 

NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M - Notebookcheck.com Technik/FAQ

bench's for various games are up too! Runs each one at 30+FPS on high! Cool! Wonder how much more performance the DDR5 version can squeeze out.

 

lol, sorry to disappoint tho, its not a real review yet!

 

Just did some reading on the 7770M from AMD, 35W TDP! ad the 7870 at 45W...can't wait to see when these will be in the Clevo's!

 

imagine those in the W110R..... wayyyy more performance than the current 650M, but at the same TDP unfortunately this might not come true, since the gpu in that model is soldered onto the mobo, as far as i remember?

 

I think so. But that's fine I'm hoping for a 15 incher that can pull some monstrous battery life with that setup.

 

That's correct.

 

AnandTech - AMD Launches Radeon 7700M, 7800M, and 7900M Mobile GPUs

Excited to see how ZeroCore works (if it does)

 

oh gawd, YES! i hope it DOES work, provided we have official drivers for the 7970M cuz if thats the case, i can finally let my laptop run for days on end downloading stuff without worries about the power draw ^^

cheers

edit: as an afterthought, imagine ZeroCore really does work so well that it would make an switchable graphics and/or IGP solution obsolete! id so laugh my "backside" (damn censoring lol) off at all the ppl swapping to the new EM series just for optimus..... ^^

 

Mythlogic says they've got their 7970M in and have been testing it. They're still working on it's software side before they make real comments on battery life and performance though. They seemed quite pleased about it

 

So I take it it's worth spending the extra and getting the 7970M over 660 or 675?

I like intel, so I'm having a tough time choosing the AMD button. That and the month wait...

 

....or rather the one week wait

 

Yeah, i think most people are being told mid-may delivery for 7970m

 

Well my laptop has just died, lol
Anyone have any clue when the Mx18 will have the 7970m in Xfire??

 

I decided not to wait for HD 7970M, and went ahead ordered mime P170EM with GTX 675M

 

Wel. I asked Mythlogic and they say they aren't expecting any 7870ms or 7770ms sadly. However Zero Core is still incredibly enticing....decisions decisions.

 

soon and I believe before the 7970m ''release'' date, the problem was driver certification that failed on them in xfire

 

do you think 8 gb of RAM is sufficient.

 

its more than enough

 

How big of a difference is it between the 650m 2gb ddr3 and 650m 1 gb gddr5?

 

@x1xsup3rm4nx1x The GDDR5 will be faster by a little bit regardless of the lower memory. It has a much higher memory clock. I made another post somewhere.... here:
GeForce GT 440 512 MB GDDR5 vs. 1 GB DDR3 Video Card Review | Hardware Secrets

This isn't exactly the same but it shows the difference between ddr3 and gddr5 on the same card. It has the gddr5 performing 2-10% faster

 

How's the battery life with the gtc670/675? Will Optimus be working on these models?

 

Battery life has been discussed. We were able to get at least 4 hours out of the NP9150 with the GTX670 on battery.

All current gen nVidia graphics cards now come with Optimus, this includes the GTX-670M and 675M.

 

You realize their aren't even drivers for the 7970m ? especially for dual card set ups you need some good drivers. Performance should increase drastically when new drivers arrive for them, all the current drivers are just hacked versions of previous drivers ...

 

these days all 7970m! enough!
lets see gtx680m(msi oem)

look at the inductors, i dont think its a 100w card...

 

but the die looks just the same as gk104!? even the surronding capacitors the same...
maybe finally decide to use gk106 but gk104? or gk106 isnt native design but a physically trimmed down gk104!?

 

MSI plans to bring GTX680m into its models? Okay....but I have a bad feeling in my wallet. I think the price will be.....terrifying.

 

after compare the 680m's gpu core in detail, 680m's die 99%=gk104 even the surrounding smds are excatly the same layout, and its batch 120? same as first batch of gk104 we see
so as i said:
1.680m based on gk104(trimmed down)
2.680m based on gk106, while gk106 is just a trimmed down gk104, not native design
(but i dont think so, look at g80-84-86/g92-94-96-98/gf100-104-106-108......they all have difference between each other, die size/surrounding smds)

 

680m will be based 670!! (believe in it guys! we'll make it true )

 

Oh please dear lord let it be GTX 670. Its about equal to the performance of desktop 7970....

Here is the first review of 670
NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 670 2GB Video Card Performance Preview :: TweakTown USA Edition

+rep DGDX

 

Quote from "The Prestige":

 

Good point. I think we're all expecting it to be higher though..

Why is it that your posts (b0b1man) are so much wider than everyone else's? I assume it's your signature.. I can always tell when I'm reading a page that you've posted on

 

I think in 1-2 weeks we should have some leaked benches for the 680M as well. At which point we can all decide what to buy this year.

Unfortunately, from what I've heard, the 680M isn't doing that well vs. the 7970M.

 

No idea...I guess that compensates for my lack of good input

All I wanna see is the price difference so I can grin like a goblin at Nvidia.

 

I posted again asking if they can confirm that they've tested enduro and seen it work in our150em . Also asked if they find out if zero core will work if they can post and let us know .

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1910579

 

Very nice! Thanks +rep!! (when I can again )

 

Zero core should work just fine since its not dependant on hardware.

 

Yeah zero core should work fine in theory, unless there are driver or mobo issues we don't know about ? I think it should work though, Jack from LBO said enduro works so zero should also. Hope he responds tomorrow .

 

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_670/29.html

Judging from those power consumption figures, the 670 GTX core has no chance to becomes the next 680M GTX. At this point it looks like the 660 GTX is going to be the core used. Also the 670 GTX is getting close to the 7870 in terms of performance per watt. At this point I don't think Nvidia will be able to catch up with the 7970M but it might get pretty close to it.

 

Unless Nvidia's 680M price is lower than the 7970M, almost no one is going to buy a 680M except for some Nvidia fanboys or people who want decent drivers


interesting how the 670 seem to be 100% in almost every graph too...

 

oh boy, dont let cloudfire see this, he´ll destroy this whole thread