Update on Radeon 7970m (Sager/Resellers)

wow that's crazy, I didn't even think it is possible to hack by just seeing username. Should I just remove the video?

 

Try looking at the MSI gaming notebooks.

 

Brute-force password attacks are common especially when they already know your username but once again, it depends on the complexity of your password. I personally would remove the video, edit that part out and re-upload the video but you could just as well use Blizzard's mobile authenticator service which is free and secures your account from potential hacking attempts.

Battle.net Mobile Authenticator FAQ - Battle.net Support

 

See, you guys thinks this sucks. But I have been waiting almost a year for the model refresh and was planning to buy in May. Now, I'm having financial issues and won't be able to buy until September

At least by then more GPUs should be out and all driver issues as well as hardware issues should be fixed, maybe a 2nd revision to the Ivy Bridge line even.

 

Shucks for you, why didn't you just go 675m and upgrade to 7970m later?

What other 15 inch laptop supports 7970m? (M15x doesn't count because it's so old)

Well, any hackers could associate the account with your account here, but I don't think they could get your password. Just make it something really complex, like Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis, (a disease of the lungs caused by inhaling the fine silicon particles in volcano ash) which is a real word that I love to use for hangman. Just google it if you don't believe me. It also beats out Antidisestablishmentarianism by 6 syllables. Sorry for being such a nerd
Oh, and I didn't use either of these for my NBR account, so hackers don't even bother trying.

 

Already remove the video and using blizzard authentication, I hope my account still save = =

 

U did? I am actually watching your video right at this moment and dont worry your account will be safe!!

 

may be I will re-upload later if I am able to find my video editor to edit that part out.

 

No it is not possible to hack the account unless you are a demi god that has been in Blizzards login servers before.. and now you took the video down

 

Don't be so sad my friend, I will just need to edit some part and reupload later. It should be out by today .

I just want my account to be safe....

 

It is possible to hack an account if someone has a username to go on and that account does not have an authenticator.

Blizzard has already posted that passwords are NOT case sensitive and they do not have a limit on how many attempts can be made on a password. That means one simply needs a brute force password program and a legitimate, already registered email account with Blizzard to hack the account.

Passwords NOT case-sensitive. - Forums - Diablo III

Security discussion thread can be found there.

If you have an authenticator, it is nearly impossible to have your account hacked. The only instance in which that was circumvented was with what is called a man-in-the-middle attack, which requires that a trojan virus is already loaded onto your computer. Once the information was entered, the user was kicked and the hacker took over. It was a lot like someone cutting in line in front of you and claiming to be you.

 

I somewhat had a idea that everyone with a Blizzard account that includes several games has a authenticator

 

You would think that everyone should have one, but we still hear QQ stories in the forums how someone had their account hacked.

Heck, it got to such ridiculous levels that Blizzard now has an automated service and they charge for it to recover items and recover hacked accounts now. Blizzard announces automated account recovery form for hacked accounts
It's actually really sad how many people just don't take the time to secure their accounts with something that is either a free download (iPhone authenticator) or pony up a mere $5 to make sure all of their hard work isn't ripped from them.

Sorry, I think this will be the last post on this, I have derailed this thread enough.

 

Who said we have to wait until July or later for notebooks with the 7970M? The powernotebooks website says mid-June.

 

apparently you are not used to the gossip girls in this forum that loves to spread rumors that are based on their own opinions.

though if you are just ordering it now, you may want to expect to receive it by July as there are a couple hundred pre-orders in front of you.

 

And as it stands currently, mid-June is the accurate date to expect them, unless Sager/Clevo tell us otherwise.

I'm not sure where the July or later thing came from. Are you sure that wasn't speculation about the 680M?

 

ok new video is in uploading process. I should be available to all my fans soon lol

NEW VIDEO here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxX3YmejKf8

Hope you guy like it, if there are more any question just post it in comment and I will try to gather questions and respond as a video

Enjoy !

 

Wow, fail blizz... why wouldn't they make it case sensitive? That's just lame. Not surprised that Blizzard did this.

 

Question for those who have received their sager with 7970m. What is the score you guys get on graphics ans 3D score on windows performance evaluation?? I'm only getting 7.3 ??

 

Same here as well.

 

That's shouldn't be the case. I wounder what's going on?? Any thoughts?

 

WEI is a terrible way to judge hardware and therefore should be ignored.

my thoughts^

 

That's about when the laptop would arrive if you ordered then, PNB is showing when they expect to receive their first batch of fixed 7970m's.

If you look on the microsoft website (or failblog) and look up your score on the scoring chart, you will find that it says "7.3: This hardware may or may not be good because our benchmark is riddled with incompetence."

 

WEI is trash. Period.

 

I hope you are wrong. If they get them June 12th (as it says on Sager's website), I'm hoping my system will ship by the 19th. Maybe sooner... Isn't build time only ~3-5 days?

 

its different when they are building a couple hundred pre-orders at the same time.

 

Ever heard of backlogs, bro? They're huge right now. They'll take weeks and another shipment of cards to get through, most likely.

 

I really hope not. It is good we don't know for sure, because I'd be really bummed if it were true I'd have to wait until July or later if I ordered now.

Thanks for the upload thailandgod, good to see some real time gameplay.

 

I don't think there's any way you could get it within the month if you ordered now, but you could PM some resellers to be sure. If you want it though, better get in line soon. As you can see from PNB, the 7970m says mid-june, not the laptop itself. The ETA is when they expect to get more 7970m's so they can start working on their backlog.

EDIT: actually, there is a way. Don't get the 7970m.

 

The one thing we don't know is how many 7970m's they will have and how fast they will get through building. You never know, maybe they get through the backlog quickly and have notebooks going for recent buyers in a couple weeks, or maybe they have so many people in line it really will take more than a few weeks. I will expect the worst and hope for the best.

Personally, I am not in need for a laptop within the month, but would really like to have one from the beginning of this precious summer break. I am upgrading to the best laptop I can find that will work as both a travel and my home computer, gaming and work, for four years of college. Ironically I don't even have all $1600 right now, but I hope to make the last few hundred through work and graduation money.

 

If you're going to wait, make sure you get a tock CPU. Ivy is completely underwhelming compared to what sandy brought to the table, and what haswell will bring (the better iGPU is nice, though).

Same here. I don't want to spend another summer with nothing to do, so I just got the 675m instead. Considering as my old GPU (before my thinkpad died) was about 1/5th the power of the HD4000 iGPU, it won't disappoint me.

 

is it possible to make SLI with 7970M and intel's HD4000 ?

 

No.

a) SLI = "Scalable Link Interface" - which is an nVidia technology which lets you "bridge" two GPU boards letting a "master board" offload work to the other GPU boards. More info here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalable_Link_Interface

b) The 7970 is an AMD/ATI GPU. So you would want to consider a "CrossFire" or "CrossFireX" solution. It is a similar concept as SLI, in that you bridge multiple GPU cards together. More info here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATI_CrossFire


A couple of problems:
1) The intel HD4000 (integrated graphics processor - IGP) is using intel technology, while CrossFire and SLI use AMD and nVidia technology, respectively. The intel IGP would have no idea how to handle a subset of instructions for any other given card.

2) As it stands right now, the "I" of IGP is key - I = integrated, means it is physically located on the CPU package, and has no physical bridge connector.

3) No standard instructions for multi-card communications between vendors.

 

Also the hd4000 is so slow it would hold back the 7970m even if you could.

 

I doubt it will take long to get through the backlog. I would assume the laptops are completely built except for the graphics chip. Now getting a big enough shipment of Radeons to cover the entire backlog may be an issue.

 

i'd assume too that resellers have atleast started building the laptops without the gpu to get it shipped fast because of many people that have already cancelled their pre-orders due to the wait.

 

There was a discussion earlier about Sager's building the laptops and adding the 7970m later. IIRC, it is unlikely that Sager has "pre-built" orders awaiting the cards.

 

I asked paladin44 (powernotebooks.com) and he told me if one were to order a Sager when the new 7970M's come in (around mid-June, beginning on the 11th), expect to wait 5-7 business day until shipment. Sounds good to me.

 

Good stuff!

 

Just made my day, hope this stays true!

 

i think i might switch to powernotebooks instead of sager/xotic, they seem to be less popular so im hoping that means they have a smaller back log. yay or nay?

 

According to my xotic rep they had already built most of the laptops when they found the cards went bad and had to pull the cards out. So if this is true the laptops are already "pre-built" by default. At least if you were originally in the first shipment like myself.

 

If that is true, I am not sure whether to be happy that the laptops will be shipped faster or concerned about my laptop's sitting in a warehouse, gathering dust...perhaps contemplating its existence...

At least it will have some also-7970m-less friends nearby .

 

Considering neither of those cards support SLI and both are made by different companies, I would think not.

They aren't, there was a large discussion about this maybe 30, 40 pages back and it would be a very stupid (from a business standpoint) thing to do. Basically, say company X has 60 orders for 7970m and 60 for 675m. The 7970m orders were there first, but they have plenty of 675m on hand. Also, say their workbench holds 30 laptops. So, they could work on 30 675m orders. Then they would get them sent off at a reasonable schedule, and their workbench would be empty again so they could do the rest of the 675m's. 30 more of each order has probably come in by now, so they do 30 more 675m and have no Nvidia backlog and 90 7970m orders waiting for build.
Or, they could work on 30 7970m orders, which were there first. They have no 7970m's though, so now they have 30 GPU-less laptops on their bench and nowhere to work. They could pack up the GPU-less laptops, but that would take a lot of work and it would take just as long to unpack them as it would to build them from scratch. So if they did 7970m's first, nobody would get any 675m's until the 7970m's came through.

Well, I'm rooting for you. I still advise getting in line, though, if you haven't already.

That can't be true. The bad cards were caught when Sager was testing them, Xotic never got their hands on them.

 

Earlier in the thread there was a quote from Sager or powernotebooks that included info that some cards passed initial tests but failed later tests (at the Sager factory), or failed later on in other words. I would guess resellers received some of these cards that initially passed but failed later on during build testing.

 

I could be wrong, but the "they" could refer to Sager. Ambiguous pronouns are fun, no?

Regardless, I still doubt Sager would have a bunch of 90%-completed laptops sitting around.

 

According to the rep most of their laptops are shipped directly from sager, only specialty customization's xotic physically put their hands on.

This was the reason I was given for people who ordered after me receiving their laptops. When sager was putting the cards in they didn't do it in any specific order as they thought they had enough allocated for all the orders so they just more or less placed them all on the production line and as they entered testing the found more and more failing. About 20% failed I was told. So my laptops just so happened to be part of the second shipment allocated chips that had the failing cards so they pulled them out after they found out and sent them back. Therefor they would already be built just had their cards removed after. This explanation could just be xotic trying to cover their butt with a good excuse but I'd rather believe them.

Also I have a direct message from a reseller telling me the laptops are indeed sitting there ready for the card but according to the rules I can't post pm's. So I won't be.

 

Good point. I suppose Sager would not cannibalize parts from the waiting laptops. I wonder how many laptops they produced (not shipped) with the faulty cards before they discovered the issue.

 

It was actually caught by Clevo, not Sager.