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    Visual Differences Between The Different Screen Options. Photos?

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by Kevin, Feb 5, 2011.

  1. mythlogic

    mythlogic Company Representative

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    Chimei Innolux N173HGE-L11 is a 72% gamut matte screen. There are no real optical characteristics differences between that and the B173HW01 V5 other than manufacturer, I'm sure you will be perfectly happy with that screen =)
     
  2. freesafety13

    freesafety13 Notebook Enthusiast

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    If its not too much to ask, can somebody who owns the AUO B156HW01 V.7 display please post some pictures of this screen? Or better yet, make a direct comparison of this screen to the V. 4 screen, much the same way Mythlogic did? I'm primarily interested in its viewing angles and just how reflective the glossy display is.

    EDIT

    Forgot to add, can we get this stickied so we can have a point of reference for when any new displays are released and have an easy way to post visual comparisons without having to dig through the forums?
     
  3. Inventor22

    Inventor22 Newbie

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    Hey Guys,

    My Nyx 1711 (Clevo P170HM) from Mythlogic is in "6990m pre-order", which means that they are waiting for their shipment of ATI Radeon 6990m GPUs before they begin building my laptop. (or maybe the rest of the machine is built and they just need to install the GPU).
    Regardless, I was looking at the screen quality difference between the 72% gamut Matte screen and 95% gamut Glossy screen, and to be quite honest I like am liking the quality in the 90% gamut Glossy.

    However, majority of the time I will be using my laptop in a lit area, and therefore I prefer to have a Matte screen.

    My question is, should I just stick with the 72% gamut Matte screen (which I originally ordered with my laptop), or should I email Mythlogic and kindly ask them to install a 90% gamut Glossy screen instead, and then buy an aftermarket matte screen protector?

    Thanks!
    - Inventor22
     
  4. terminus123

    terminus123 Notebook Deity

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    I'm going to be getting a V.7 95% glossy screen soon. I'll let you know how it is.
     
  5. Ryan

    Ryan NBR Moderator

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    I work in a brightly lit area all the time...

    The gloss doesn't bother me at all, to be honest.

    But it's up to the lighting conditions and if there is a light source right behind you or not..

    Don't people at work use the 3M privacy filters anyway? If that is so, I would get the glossy, as 3M will polarize the direction of light anyways.
     
  6. Inventor22

    Inventor22 Newbie

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    I will be using my laptop mainly for taking notes/working on projects for uni and working on CAD projects/rendering for an engineering design course. The lecture rooms are lit with fluorescent lights all along the ceilings, so there is a good chance there will be a light source behind me...
     
  7. Ryan

    Ryan NBR Moderator

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    If you are uncertain, I would go with matte.

    I too am at a university student, but I only use the laptop in my room and take an iPad to the library to Remote in case I need my laptop.

    I would go with matte, both are fantastic screens.

    But truth be told, this screen has such good viewing angles that all the students can exactly see what you are doing.. and for classes I would just use a matte filter, in which case I would go with glossy.

    The choice is up to you. :D
     
  8. Xerloq

    Xerloq Notebook Evangelist

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    Matte would be my choice in your shoes.

    My glossy displays (TV and desktop) are in very controlled lighting environments.
     
  9. PhilDup

    PhilDup Newbie

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    Im looking to get a windows 7 laptop (around 15") with a calibrated screen. Ive seen them mentioned here. Are there many manufacturers? Do they come pre-configured or will I have to attempt this myself?
    Has anyone been using one with success?
    Any info is greatly appreciated.

    Best,

    Phil
     
  10. freesafety13

    freesafety13 Notebook Enthusiast

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    I've been leaning towards the 95% Matte, but the sudden issues that have been appearing on these screens as of late have put me off. People will severe ghosting, red trails, severely uneven backlighting, etc have me thinking that AU Optronics have pushed aside their quality control in an effort to vamp up production of these panels. What doesn't make sense to me is that the 95% Matte and Glossy are the same panel, just one has a Matte finish and the other a Glossy finish, so why does this seem to only effect the Matte display?
     
  11. Ryan

    Ryan NBR Moderator

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    Technical stuff is out of my hands,

    but I asked my reseller, Larry @ LPC-digital, to ask specifically for a screen that is perfect, because it was a replacement screen for my severely dead-pixeled original screen.

    I'm not sure if the quality statement went through, but he did get me the best screen, with no uneven backlighting, no dead or hot pixels, etc.

    It's hard to say anything about the matte screen, but it seems that there seems to be an overall issue with all the appearances of new threads.
     
  12. qloony

    qloony Notebook Guru

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    hi guys,

    i just got my b156hw01 v4, and just realized that my msi gx660 lvds cable doesnt support 1080p output, so the display is all messed up.

    ive been looking for the cable that support 1080p to no success, anybody here have any experience in this? or know somebody who sells it? or anybody have a gx660(r) with 1080p screen and dont mind disassembling their screen to tell me the part number of their lvds cable, so i can try call msi to get it?

    thanks
     
  13. Ryan

    Ryan NBR Moderator

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    Think you should ask the MSI forums.

    And as MSI does things, I don't think what you just asked is going to be possible with them..
     
  14. qloony

    qloony Notebook Guru

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    @ryan

    actually i did, and like you said its mostly dead end, i found most of the part number and the guide all by myself from the net and disassembling my own laptop >.<

    so i desperately ask here, eventho this is in sager section, but seeing that this thread is the most intensive one discussing the auo screen especially the v4 one, and the one that people kept referring to when it cames to the v4, i thought i might just ask, maybe somebody here knows some other laptop spare parts that have the same connector with the gx660

    thanks, and sorry for the trouble
     
  15. Kevin

    Kevin Egregious

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    You could probably get a local computer shop to swap in the 1080p cable.

    It really shouldn't be that difficult, if they can source the required piece.
     
  16. Tyo

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    Any new better screens on horion other than the v.4 ?
     
  17. terminus123

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    V.4 and V.7 are the best out there for now.
     
  18. claumarius

    claumarius Newbie

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    hello there, from a newbie: if we don't know much about calibrating, software and so on and we only use once in a lifetime a colour profile, could we get an attachment with the calibrated version which we just can load in windows to have the those results for matte 95% color gamut screen? we would be very happy if so... :D and thank you in advance.
     
  19. ivanox1972

    ivanox1972 Notebook Consultant

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    I saw on some Chinese market b156hw02, anybody knows something about this?
    It has the biggest price...
     
  20. Kevin

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    V.2 PDF

    I recommend that everyone bookmarks this page. It has almost every screen.
     
  21. yhchoong

    yhchoong Notebook Consultant

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    The point to note is that every screen is unique and has to be calibrated separately. What works for one screen may not work for another.

    For example, a screen with naturally too much red in it will require a profile with more blue and green in it. That same profile used on another screen which is very blue in nature will make everything look worse.

    What I would advise if you want a "quick-fix" would be to use a program like Calibrize.

    It only takes a couple of minutes to build a basic profile for the screen by eye using Calibrize.
     
  22. claumarius

    claumarius Newbie

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    thank you yhchoong for your answer. calibrize though is no better than w7 calibrating tool, maybe worse... with spyder from datacolor there are numbers regarding initial settings and final settings, so we can make the arithmetical difference between ones from mythlogic and ours...

    or, much easier, not everybody can buy or need more than once that device/software and anyway, if mythlogic or somebody else put here some attachments with profiles, it would be very easy to work around those profiles to fit best on ours... there could not be such "big" differences between displays and playing a bit around can save us...

    I need the support from other guys to come together and ask for those attachments, if somebody has enough good will to share... thank you
     
  23. windsong7

    windsong7 Notebook Guru

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    Looks like the differences can be pretty big. See this thread:
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...m-stoked-95-gamut-screen-just-calibrated.html
     
  24. ivanox1972

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    @Kevin Jack- thanks...
    I see also B156HW02 exists, but also gamut 60%.
    It seems still nothing better than V4 or V7?
     
  25. yhchoong

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    I'm waiting for my i1display pro to come in through mail. I'll post some icc profiles then. :)
     
  26. Kevin

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    Correct. No manufacturer is making a superior screen than AUO, unless you look for an IPS monitor.
     
  27. Drewchanng

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    When ordering the 95% gamut screens, do/can resellers calibrate them? Or is this a special request?
     
  28. mythlogic

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    We calibrate ALL our screens before they leave us, for free, if you get an OS or not.
     
  29. ivanox1972

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    Hi, we can calibrate the screens with or without an OS purchase. :)
     
  31. hotblack_desiato

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    Do we have to ask you specifically to calibrate the screen? I didn't see an option on your website. And how much does screen calibration cost?
     
  32. Justin@XoticPC

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    We have a option for Calibration if you would like it done. :)
     
  33. Handsomerob

    Handsomerob Notebook Evangelist

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    Ok i just installed the AUO B173HW01 V.4 LCD Display today.
    I paid $200 for the LCD and $75 for the Dead Pixel Warranty. The display has no stuck or dead pixels :) I bought it from Malibal. Great customer service by the way. And fast shipping.
    It was a pretty easy install. The flat LCD connector is a little tricky but pretty basic. Right off the bat I noticed it was brighter and more colorful.
    Honestly my Hannstar looked pretty damn amazing. I'm definitely happy with this new LCD but I dont no if it's worth the $$. Maybe after I calibrate it and use it more I will think otherwise. I used the Nvidia Control Panel and the Windows calibration tool under "Displays" to calibrate it.
    Here are a few pics. You really cant tell a huge difference but I posted them anyways.

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    AUO V.4
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  34. Ryan

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    Now that I have the matte 95%,

    I thought I would share some opinions.

    The glossy 95% is noticeably brighter than the matte 95%. I remember how the brightness was so high that I had to adjust to it, and now the matte 95% seems a bit darker.

    The colors really pop out in the glossy 95%, I remember how the background seemed to scream and pop colors. Now, that is not so in the matte. I guess the matte could be a bit easier on the eyes, but gamma-wise, or saturation-wise, the glossy really had vibrant colors than the matte.

    So yes, in terms of screen quality, I would say the glossy 95% is better, with higher brightness and contrast with popping-out eye candy colors, but the matte is easier on the eyes with less reflections and somewhat moderated colors.

    Hope that helps, I just wanted to point out that the matte 95%, compared to the glossy 95%, definitely looks less saturated and less bright, and that for true screen quality, the glossy seems to be better.
     
  35. boukyaku

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    I have a question regarding the reddish tint found on the screens of some of those pictures (from mythlogic).

    Is this something that comes with the 95% gamut option? I don't think we see this with stock screens, where black is black, and white is white.

    When ordering a laptop from you guys (mythlogic) , is it possible to request a 95% gamut screen with neutral colors?

    I understand that color calibration with ICC/ICM files comes with the laptop, but the reason is that sometimes I will be working in command line, even before the OS boots up, and don't want to stare at red letters when they should be white :p.

    Is there any way to alter the BIOS of the screens to correct the colors before the OS loads up?

    And yes, I agree, buying premium LCDs with 95% gamut, and having those colors, well, you might as well not buy the screen :p.
     
  36. mythlogic

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    Hey

    What those pictures demonstrate is how they look before they are calibrated, they normally have a bit of a red push. Now if you used say a linux command line to get things done, the letters won't be red, the will still be white and everything will still be correct. That reddish tint doesn't show up on dark colors when they are full screen, aka bios, command prompts etc. Its only when viewing full colors can you notice the red push. So I wouldn't worry too much about if you are in a spot where there is no calibration that you will be staring at a red screen =)
     
  37. boukyaku

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    Right, I got concerned when I saw a certain thread when someone was complaining about red saturation even when he booted his laptop. Think it was this thread: http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...m-stoked-95-gamut-screen-just-calibrated.html

    You can definitely see it on the Sager logo and the "F2 Setup". On page 3 of that thread.

    Perhaps the 95% glossy is less of an issue?

    Are you guys still offering AUO Optronics Screen: B156HW01 V.4? I saw on your site when customising a laptop that this specific screen is still offered. Just want to confirm :). What type of screen is being offered for the Glossy 95% NTSC Color Gamut? Didn't see it when clicking on "more info".

    Any news on IPS with RBG backlit for clevos? Can you guys install one if requested?

    Will the ICC be applied when hooking up an external monitor, regardless of which OS is being used? So if connected to an external monitor via VGA/HDMI/S-Video/etc, would one need to load a new ICC?
     
  38. mythlogic

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    Ahh ok that one guy had a bad screen, that isn't indicitive of all screens. Anyway, yea the 95% matte is still a V4 while the 95% glossy is still a V7 screen. ICC profiles are applied PER output, so if you hook up an external monitor it will have a different color profile, however, they are totally seperate from one another so you won't have to worry about wacking the colors.

    IPS? Still not avaliable =)
     
  39. TR2N

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    Is it me or is there better water reflection in that Hannstar picture than the AUO v4?
     
  40. mbfootball47

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    ya i agree, the water reflections do look a little better
     
  41. Handsomerob

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    It looks better on the Hannstar because I have the Digital Vibrance up a lot in my NVIDIA Control Panel on the AUO V.4. I haven't calibrated it yet
    The Hannstar is up for sale btw.
     
  42. Seanwhat

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    I have the v.4 screen and I still can't figure out how to calibrate the display using the profile given. Do I need to download some software or something?
     
  43. Anthony@MALIBAL

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    If you were sent the profile and have a .icm file, it's pretty easy to calibrate within Windows. Just follow these steps:

    1) Double click to install the profile
    2) Control Panel > Display > Adjust Resolution > Advanced settings > Color management > color management
    3) Check the box "use my settings for this device"
    4) Add
    5) Scroll down and select the profile, "OK"
    6) Set as default profile
    7) You can close everything out, the profile should be in effect.
     
  44. qloony

    qloony Notebook Guru

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    hi, i know this probably been asked a few times, but is there any way the .icm file is share-able? or it is simply different for each panel, so its pointless to share it?

    thanks
     
  45. kevindd992002

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    Do all Sager/Clevo resellers use the same type of screen upgrades?

    Is it worth it to upgrade the stock matte screen of the 8130 to the 95% glossy screen?
     
  46. Anthony@MALIBAL

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    Yep. Everyone uses the same AOU B series screens for the stock and upgraded 95% models. I have a v.7 glossy in my machine after upgrading from the stock glossy. It's definitely a noticeable improvement in color and brightness. The comparison photos on the first page of this thread should give you an idea.
     
  47. Cainman

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    I stuck with the stock matte screen on the 8130. I don't think I'd really get much benefit for the cost. I get the feeling that for the average user you don't really need the upgrade. If you do some kind of work where color representation is important (photo editing) then it'd be an important upgrade.
     
  48. kevindd992002

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    v.7 is the only 95% gamut glossy screen available for both the 8130 and 8150?

    Also, how does the rubberized texture of the 8150 compare with the plain plastic look of the 8130?
     
  49. boukyaku

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    It also seems like there's a lot of maintenance involved in correctly calibrating the 95% gamut screens, whereas it's not exactly required for the stock screens.

    Ordering the 95% matte screens is $200 (pixel warranty + calibration + screen = $200), so I guess the question is: Is it worth the $$$ to upgrade the screen for your purposes. You will also eventually have to buy a Spyder 3 for yourself as the color seems to change over time... :(
     
  50. kevindd992002

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    What does calibration do with the screen?

    What's Spyder 3?
     
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