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    W230ST - The 13" We've been waiting for!?

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by HTWingNut, Jan 25, 2013.

  1. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    EDIT:

    The GTX765M does about 4200 3DM11 stock ;)
     
  2. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    OFC from the rumoured specs the 1280x720 test would cover any weaknesses it may have ;)
     
  3. CampGareth

    CampGareth Notebook Consultant

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    Which puts it between a 675MX and a 680M for a low, somewhat unrealistic test resolution (who plays games at 1280x720 when you have a 1920x1080 display), yeah we're gonna need different numbers :p
     
  4. HTWingNut

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    Me!

    For this machine I don't have any expectations for high detail gameplay at 1080p. I like 1080p for the desktop space, but gaming, I'll happily run at 720p. Unless they manage a 192-bit GPU, it's a bit unrealistic to expect 675mx level performance at 1080p. In all honesty at 13" I'd be fine with a 1600x900 screen.
     
  5. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    Stock performance might be reached depending on the speed of the vram.
     
  6. HTWingNut

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    Knowing Clevo, will likely be 750MHz. :rolleyes:
     
  7. sisqo_uk

    sisqo_uk Notebook Deity

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    anybody interested in xbox today? be worth it as there may be something interesting with pc gaming. dont quote me as its not what i heard but i can see it been likely plus its next gen and afterall xbox is king of the console gaming right now....
     
  8. Amal77

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    Wow.
    Thought I would skip this for Maxwell. Proly not.
     
  9. alexsupreme

    alexsupreme Notebook Consultant

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    Sounds fake.

    full desktop 650ti clocked at 980/1500 with 192bit gets to 5170.
    I'd expect about 3300-3500 with base clocks, especially with 128bit bus.
    maybe with the boost it might scratch the 4k.

    edit:
    The article with the benchmarks:
    Nvidia GeForce GTX 650 Ti Review > Test System Specs & 3Dmark 11 - TechSpot
     
  10. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    even less ;)

    Ooops, you are right I sliped a line, sorry it was meant to say 4200 points stock, the 770M is 5200 though, which is a GK106 btw ;)
     
  11. Karamazovmm

    Karamazovmm Overthinking? Always!

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    arrggghhh prema you kill us sometimes, really less than 750mhz?
     
  12. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    Remember nvidia had to use their GK104 since the GK106 was not arround, 106 will be more efficient than a partially disabled 104.
     
  13. Amal77

    Amal77 Notebook Deity

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    Aww man.. Thought it will be a confirmed 192-bit with that scores(5200).
    But then again, though it's 4200. It is still quite high for a 768 cores + 128-bit Mobile GPU rite?
    192-bit? :D

    Or am I totally wrong? :p
     
  14. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    Which do you think people are going to solder into their motherboards, 192bit GDDR5 or 128bit GDDR5? Consider that you will have to add in extra layers and vias to accommodate 64 more high speed GDDR5 memory traces.
     
  15. Amal77

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    Actually, the article is showing the 650 Ti 128-bit, 1032MHz(OCed by Gigabyte, reference 650 Ti = 925MHz no boost).
    The latest 650 Ti boost is the one with 192-bit 980MHz(1033MHz boost), which scores higher.


    I have no idea man. You could be totally right(128-bit).

    I just know that :
    A stock GTX 670MX with 600MHz 960 cores, 192-bit, scored around 38xx on 3DMark11.
    An OCed GTX 670MX to a 735MHz(stock 600MHz) cores, 2300MHz(stock 1400MHz) Memory, scored around 47xx.

    So, to score a 4200 on a 768 cores + 128-bit, it will need a very high clock settings rite?

    Do correct me though.
     
  16. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    base clock is 601Mhz with vRAM at 700Mhz... ;)
     
  17. Amal77

    Amal77 Notebook Deity

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    Ahh.. Thanks Prema.
    A GTX 760M is 628MHz(719MHz boost) 768 cores + 128-bit.
    So, a GTX 765M is 601MHz(?MHz boost) 768 cores + 192bit? :D

    Edit : Or maybe a higher cores? :eek:
     
  18. HTWingNut

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    What!? 765m is? Is that's what's in the W230ST? Is it 192-bit then? 650m is 835MHz with 900MHz DDR3, even GDDR5 can't make up the GPU clock difference and RAM clock speed difference even if it is DDR3.
     
  19. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    Except the 765m would have over twice the shading power per mhz and boost.
     
  20. HTWingNut

    HTWingNut Potato

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    True. Just release the damn laptop already, lol. My credit card is empty and ready to go! :)
     
  21. Amal77

    Amal77 Notebook Deity

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    A rebadge of this but with boost?
    [​IMG]

    :p
     
  22. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    Prema says its not GK104 ;)
     
  23. CampGareth

    CampGareth Notebook Consultant

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    Well that's interesting, Notebookcheck seems to have non-rumour information on the 760M but not the 765M

    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 760M - NotebookCheck.net Tech

    That said it does have a page for the 765M with rumour information that says the memory is clocked at the same speed and on the same bus as the 760M, so presumably the core is clocked a little higher.

    *edit* hehe, suitable for 15-17" laptops, good thing Clevo didn't listen to them ;D
     
  24. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    Nvidia do have boost clocks and TDPs to play with this time between models.
     
  25. Amal77

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    Oops, missed that out.

    This then :
    [​IMG]

    But using the same clock settings as the GTX 670MX, but with boost. :p
     
  26. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    Slow GDDR5 (I guess to offset the 192bit tracing requirements) and asymetric arrangement (2GB on a 192bit bus) too by the looks of things :/

    The 128bit fast GDDR5 would have made more sense.
     
  27. Amal77

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    Proly with 3GB(12x256 memory chips) Memory, instead of 2GB(8x256 memory chips) Memory?

    A GK106 with 3GB Memory(700MHz), and 601MHz Base Clock with boost.
     
  28. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    No leaked spec sheet of new models shows the 765M with 3GB from anyone or clevo, only 2GB.
     
  29. HTWingNut

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    A HA! 192-bit it *IS*. You had me convinced it couldn't be 192-bit Meaker. :p
     
  30. CampGareth

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    Mind sharing your proof because everything I'm seeing still points towards 128 and very fast clock speeds :/

    I mean, apart from that speculation on this page which doesn't really prove anything since it's a desktop card with a fuller core, it would be quite easy and very sensible to lop off an SMX and some of the bus when adjusting for teeny tiny laptop boards not intended solely for GPUs
     
  31. R3d

    R3d Notebook Virtuoso

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    Wait, so was he was just speculating? I thought that he was hinting as a reseller.

    @Gareth: According to Prema the clock speeds are 601 mhz core(non boost)/700 mhz vram.
     
  32. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    NVIDIA_DEV.11E2. 3537.1558 = "NVIDIA GeForce GTX 765M ;)
     
  33. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    I can only offer speculation and share information that is already leaked. There are certain things I do know but spec sheets do not always give full details and I can't share them with you even if I did have the info.
     
  34. HTWingNut

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    Hint: Prema knows best. ;)

    The fact that it's not GK104, 192-bit can and has been manufactured with 2GB GDDR5, and slower clock speeds, with performance greater than a 670mx points to 192-bit. Otherwise how can 128-bit clocked same as 670mx with same number of cores, be faster? Slower vRAM also points to it being 192-bit. I'll take it. :)
     
  35. R3d

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    Hmm, does that mean it has 960 shaders as well? Unless GPU boost makes the 765m score 700 points higher in 3dmark11 with the same base clock and ~80% of the shaders.
     
  36. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    The 770M is no GK104 it's a GK106, I never said what core the GTX765M uses... :GEEK:
     
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    Ahhhh the teasers are killing me!
     
  38. HTWingNut

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    Does it use a warp core?
     
  39. Karamazovmm

    Karamazovmm Overthinking? Always!

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    My interdictor cruisers are laughing at this
     
  40. Meaker@Sager

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    Well there are pictures of others with 765m floating about...
     
  41. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    Nope, but Clevo usually ships warped heatsinks. :p
     
  42. Amal77

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    You mean this ?
    [​IMG]

    Aww man.. :(

    But.. the clock is different?

    Edit : Image.
     
  43. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    760 power consumption is 45 watts, 765 is 55 watts ;)
     
  44. jaybee83

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    hm, wouldnt that be too high then? here i thought were talking 45w tdp. unless "warped" clevo heatsinks in this context means pure awesomeness :D

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
     
  45. HTWingNut

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    Phew.. Good then..
     
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    Just waiting for the official release date. :)
     
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    I wonder if Clevo even realizes how many people are interested in this laptop.
     
  49. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    They likely know it's a desirable combination.
     
  50. Amal77

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    Not sure trustable or not :

    [​IMG]

    GTX 770M :

    [​IMG]

    From the same website it mentioned about the GTX 765M :
    "At the youngest of the three defendants in this note GeForce GTX 765M has 768 shaders, 192-bit memory bus and 3GB of GDDR5. The video card operates at the nominal 601/2800 MHz"

    But like Meaker said, there's no news on the 3GB.
     
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