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    W230ST - The 13" We've been waiting for!?

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by HTWingNut, Jan 25, 2013.

  1. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    It has 2GB DDR5...the rest looks pretty accurate ;)
     
  2. Amal77

    Amal77 Notebook Deity

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    I see.
    So, it should be running at 768 cores 192-bit 2GB GDDR5.

    To think again, I guess 768 cores 192-bit memory at 601/2800(700x4)MHz is quite possible to reach 4200 points in 3DMark 11, coz of the new Boost 2.0(may go above default boost clock).

    A stock GTX 670MX with 600MHz 960 cores, 192-bit, scored around 38xx on 3DMark11.
    An OCed GTX 670MX to a 735MHz(stock 600MHz) cores, 2300MHz(stock 1400MHz) Memory, scored around 47xx.

    So, let say a GTX 765M runs on 735MHz or around there, then it probably could reach 41xx-42xx points.
    I mean, this is 3DMark11 where it runs on low resolution. Thus the slow 192-bit 2GB GDDR5 won't affect that much.
     
  3. AGoff

    AGoff Notebook Consultant

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    So the 765m should perform 10% better than a 670mx? Seems too good to be true.
     
  4. Amal77

    Amal77 Notebook Deity

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    On 3DMark 11? Looks like it.

    Hopefully it is as highly OCable as the GTX 670MX.

    People been OCing the Clock to 1000MHz and the Memory to 1300MHz.

    A 1300MHz 192-bit is equally to 1950MHz 128-bit.

    I think I might go for it.
    Now have to find a buyer for my Vaio S. :p
     
  5. a108239

    a108239 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Hi,
    any news on the possibility of a high resolution IPS screen? Thx.
     
  6. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    It's 13.3" FHD.

    Stock NO IPS, that is reserved to 15" Clevo models.
     
  7. BangBangPlay

    BangBangPlay Notebook Consultant

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    I wouldn't worry to much about the quality (or even panel type) of the screen. Clevo typically provides an excellent screen that can reproduce color extremely well and provide deep color contrast right out of the box. The stock (non upgraded) LG glossy display in my W350 was surprisingly high quality. It has deeper blacks and reproduces color a bit better than my external Asus monitor that has an IPS display.

    I have compared the two side by side with the same images and the LG TN display has a superior image. The Asus does have a higher refresh rate (72 Hz) and it is 3D, but I still can't calibrate it to the standard of Clevo's LG display. So if they follow this trend then I will be happy regardless of the panel type. I wouldn't mind a higher refresh rate but I typically hook up to my external monitor to game anyways.
     
  8. a108239

    a108239 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Thank you both for the feedback.
    I confess I haven't had a Clevo before and up to now I had bad experiences with TN displays as I also work privately with photos. That Clevo typically provides an excellent screen is good to know. This could be really the notebook I have been waiting for.
     
  9. jaybee83

    jaybee83 Biotech-Doc

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    well, just oc that refresh rate then :) for nvidia, u can easily do it inside the driver panel, whereas amd cards can be persuaded to comply via the CRU tool (google is ur friend ;) ) switchable graphics aint working tho....yet, at least.

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
     
  10. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    That would require persuading the intel chip.
     
  11. HTWingNut

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    GIGGIDY!

    So the difference between 765m and 770m is a faster GDDR5 then? Either way 600MHz Core / 700MHz GDDR5 192-bit in a 13" is simply *AWESOME*...

    Can't wait.

    FHD screen. I hope it's matte. /drool/

    And how about keyboard backlighting?
     
  12. R3d

    R3d Notebook Virtuoso

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    765m has less shaders.
     
  13. nanias

    nanias Notebook Consultant

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    Is it confirmed to have a soldered dgpu or a mxm slot? Or not confirmed at all? Cheers

    Sent from my GT-N7105 using Tapatalk 2
     
  14. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    The other machines have shown a soldered chip.
     
  15. nanias

    nanias Notebook Consultant

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    Right but no words on Clevo model yet? Or they might be pretty much the same way? How shall it compare to the 680m if I may ask?

    Sent from my GT-N7105 using Tapatalk 2
     
  16. HTWingNut

    HTWingNut Potato

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    I can guarantee with 90% certainty it will be soldered. And I'd say about 70% performance of the GTX 680m.
     
  17. mattstermh

    mattstermh Notebook Evangelist

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    So the GPU in the W230ST will be worse than the gtx 680m? Sorry, I'm just a bit confused.
     
  18. R3d

    R3d Notebook Virtuoso

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    Yes, it'll be worse.
     
  19. HTWingNut

    HTWingNut Potato

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    Yes it will offer less performance than the GTX 680m. The 680m is a 100W TDP 256-bit chip that requires significant cooling and power. Not gonna happen in a 13". The 680m only works in large thick notebooks like the Clevo P150EM and P170EM and Alienware M17x.

    How many shaders? I thought the 765m also had 960 shaders.
     
  20. Amal77

    Amal77 Notebook Deity

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    768 Shaders.

    Basically a GTX 765M is an underclock GTX 650 Ti Boost.
    A GTX 770M is an underclock GTX 660.

    OC them both like hell, and you'll get the picture on how it performs.

    Edit : It CAN perform. :p
     
  21. Amal77

    Amal77 Notebook Deity

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    Oh btw, what is the spec of the power adapter?

    Haswell Quad core - 47W
    GTX 765M - 55W
    Hard disk, LCD, etc - ?W

    Will 120W be enough?
     
  22. R3d

    R3d Notebook Virtuoso

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    120w should be more than enough. Even the p151em does fine with a 120w adapter.
     
  23. CampGareth

    CampGareth Notebook Consultant

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    Very nice on the 192 bit memory, glad I was wrong :)

    Separately, how's about battery capacity? From the mockups the laptop didn't seem to be practically made of batteries like the W110ER but I doubt Clevo would under-spec it. 80Wh roughly? With Haswell's power savings and hopefully optimus improvements would 5 hours be reasonable? And how's about the GPU on battery, can that still be fully powered up if necessary?
     
  24. Amal77

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    Yeah, you're right.
     
  25. Clevernerd

    Clevernerd Notebook Consultant

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    Will the Haswell run cooler than ivy bridge despise its 47W ?
     
  26. Karamazovmm

    Karamazovmm Overthinking? Always!

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    yes, this chip runs so cool that intel had to put heaters so that it wont frozen like hoth.
     
  27. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    It's doing some of the VRM work that needed to be done anyway but the thermal management should be better.
     
  28. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    Strange no one speaks about the W23 feature that many of us missed on the W11...
     
  29. jaybee83

    jaybee83 Biotech-Doc

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    please do tell prema :p

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
     
  30. R3d

    R3d Notebook Virtuoso

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    What's that? 1080p screen? backlit keyboard?
     
  31. Karamazovmm

    Karamazovmm Overthinking? Always!

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    it can make noodles?
     
  32. Amal77

    Amal77 Notebook Deity

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    Errr... ODD? :p
     
  33. AGoff

    AGoff Notebook Consultant

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    mSATA slot?
     
  34. Karamazovmm

    Karamazovmm Overthinking? Always!

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    I dont know my main want on the w110 was a 13'' screen, just that and decent battery life
     
  35. HTWingNut

    HTWingNut Potato

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    Well backlit keyboard and mSATA slot were both desires. But also manual switchable graphics? Fully customizable BIOS?
     
  36. Karamazovmm

    Karamazovmm Overthinking? Always!

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    or this

    [​IMG]

    im so going to bake something after this, brazilian specialty brigadeiro cake
     
  37. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    First Bahamas and now this cake, man you know how to enjoy the good things in life. :)
     
  38. Karamazovmm

    Karamazovmm Overthinking? Always!

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    thats the whole idea of life isnt it? to enjoy it?

    screwed up the recipe a little its a bit dry, will soak it in guarana to make it wet
     
  39. HTWingNut

    HTWingNut Potato

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    I opened a fortune cookie and out came this...

    [​IMG]
     
  40. Karamazovmm

    Karamazovmm Overthinking? Always!

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    whats the lottery number on the back? this looks like a winner
     
  41. alexsupreme

    alexsupreme Notebook Consultant

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    Backlit keyboard???
    I'll be in my bunk.
     
  42. CampGareth

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    Oh boy! An illuminated kensington lock port!

    Seriously though, this is interesting, as far as I know the only clevos with illuminated keyboards are the P150EMs and up, but they all use the same keyboard which is too wide for a 13.3" so this has gotta be something new. Wonder what the speakers will sound like too...
     
  43. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    13 inch machines tend not to have the best sound in the world for obvious reasons.
     
  44. HTWingNut

    HTWingNut Potato

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    Just lack of bass
     
  45. Quadzilla

    Quadzilla The eye is watching you

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    Did the rest of the fortune cookie happen to mention an official release date ?....
     
  46. HTWingNut

    HTWingNut Potato

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    It was only a portion of a fortune cookie that ripped off and secretly slipped into my spaghetti. Sorry that's all I got. But it's one more piece of the equation. ;)

    Now all I want to know is SATA/mSATA ports, LCD alternate options (IPS, matte/glossy, etc) dimensions and weight.
     
  47. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    IPS would require a second port or different cable.
     
  48. vsg28

    vsg28 Notebook Consultant

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    This little thing has ridiculous specs. Let's hope the price is not so.
     
  49. Quadzilla

    Quadzilla The eye is watching you

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    If i were to guess i would say it will start at around $999 for the base model maybe even less . I do not think there is really anything to fancy about it to warrant much more. '

    It sounds awesome though and cant wait to hear more.
     
  50. HTWingNut

    HTWingNut Potato

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    I would be impressed if it were $999 base. It's basically a P151EM in a 13" shell with 13" 1080p, quad core Intel Haswell, GTX 765m, 8GB DDR3 1600, 750GB 7200RPM HDD, likely an mSATA port + SATA bay. That's a bargain at $999.

    I'm just hoping that the AC adapter is smaller, more thin and light than the 120W behemoth with the W110ER.
     
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