W230ST - The 13" We've been waiting for!?

I say the price being that because i would assume the GPU is part of the motherboard and it overall does not sound too complicated

The 1080p screen i guess it depends on the quality but that really should not raise the price all that much, the Msata stuff all being optional, well yeah that of course can jack the price through the roof if you go crazy with upgrades. But having the port and a single sata slot is not really a big deal either.

I cannot see them charging too much more for it honestly based on the specs i see, but maybe i am wrong .


Yes i hope the brick is small but it seems even your little mini machine got a huge brick so i wont be shocked at all if that part they just grab from pre existing PSUs . I hope not though i have seen some awsome little bricks like the 90watt Samsung brick for their machines and the Razer Blade one.

 

I ordered a second W110ER barebones, because I had the CPU, RAM, SSD to fill it, and it came with a 90W PSU and it is tiny. Only hoping Sager or Clevo follow suit with a 120W or even a 150W (be nice to have a little extra) that is slim and small. Most 15" laptops with base level quad core and mid-grade GPU (i.e. 650m/750m) run about $1000. I sure hope it's $999 base price, although I'm just trying to be realistic.

To be honest, curious to see what Alienware does with their M14x. It should at least match the specs of this machine, if it doesn't not sure how they can justify sale of it.

 

Really-really hope they reduce the size of the brick.
Coming from 180W(NP8150) to 90W(Vaio), really is big big relief.
Now, knowing how the 120W size and weight doesn't really differ by much to my previous 180W, it's gonna make me feel down again.

Can still remember how everyone looked at me when I got the brick out from my bag when doing presentation and so on. Haih...

 

Here's 120W vs 90W.

 

Thanks for the comparison.
It does look quite large, and also twice the weight.

My Vaio 90W - 4.75” (L) x 1.9” (W) x 1.25” (H) | ? lbs

Clevo 90W - 5.25” (L) x 2.37” (W) x 1.25” (H) | 0.80 lbs

Clevo 120W - 6.62” (L) x 2.75” (W) x 1.62” (H) | 1.60 lbs

Clevo 180W - 6.62” (L) x 3.25” (W) x 1.62” (H) | 1.85 lbs

Size got from xoticpc website.

Wish they could make the 120W to be like the 90W as per your picture.

 

At the same time im sure my acer 120w bricks were not THAT much larger. They could do a slimmer 120w.

 

This laptop needs a SSD. It would be blasphemy to run this thing with a HDD... If it indeed ships with one to keep the price down, let it at least be easily swappable

 

I, too, expect this to be around the $999 mark. We've been saying laptops like the y500 dropping a couple hundred and 1k seems about standard for a new ultrabook, modern gpu laptop.

Let alone June/July 2013.

 

Well if you want $999 starting price, an HDD will be it. Otherwise a 256GB SSD would crank the cost up a couple hundred bucks.

 

If the machine came with only a single sata port and no Msata i would probably opt for hybrid drive.

I need space more then speed and have been very happy with the hybrids i have tried.

Crucial of course makes that 960gb SSD now for $600 ish but yeah that is just not realistic for my budget. Would be awesome though .


Otherwise if there is an Msata i would just use a small Msata and a mechanical anyhow. 256gb is not even remotely enough for my needs i tried that on the Retina Macbook and it was frustrating to me because you just have to keep external drives around.

 

I understand that, however, I think most of the tech savvy crowd will promptly switch for an SSD right away. In that sense, it would be cheaper if it came included in the original package.

Clevo could always strike a deal with crucial and give us cheaper m500 480Gb as a medium config and a 960Gb as a premium one

 

I think its only me thats wondering if this is going to cost actually 1200 or so. Sincerely I wouldnt mind paying more to receive a better product

 

Sager is usually about choice. Give you a solid base unit and upgrade from there. There will be ample choices for SSD's I'm certain and the upgrade price is very reasonable.

That's my thought too. I would *like* it to start at $999 but about $1200 is more realistic.

 

Absolutely. As with the other Clevo models, it should be sold with a choice of no drives at all, or whichever options the buyer wants. It's part of the appeal. If I was getting it, I'd want no drives or OS. I have those already and true for many people.

 

Well I know if it has an mSATA port I will be buying a 256gb mSATA and a 1TB 5400rpm storage drive.

 

I think they're making 1TB 7200RPM drives for laptops now

Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2

 

the news should be the new 1.5tb 5400rpm 9.5mm drives that they are making, I know that macs can take 12.5mm drives dunno if sagers can, but there is one 2tb coming

 

The below 1TB 7200RPM drive has worked well....

Newegg.com - Hitachi GST Travelstar 0S03563 1TB 7200 RPM RPM 32MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 2.5" Internal Notebook Hard Drive

 

I have spent a good deal of time with that drive and it is very nice thing to have for storage and speed.

Even the 1tb Samsung 5400rpm momentus drive i have now has been great for gaming but since Hitachi priced this drive so affordable it is a no brainer which to get.

 

The only reason I was considering a 5400rpm over a 7200rpm was battery life, just because its a gaming laptop and the battery will probably suffer, there is no reason to make it suffer worse. Ounces make pounds very quickly.

 

Yes they do agreed but what i noticed for secondary drives is they do not always spin up unless called upon so if you have the Msata as your OS drive and are using that on battery then having a 7200rpm drive should not affect your battery all that much if any more then a 5400rpm drive since it will not be active most of the time while unplugged.

 

Power consumption isn't much different between 7200RPM and 5400RPM HDD's especially at idle. Only when taxed are the 7200RPM more, but even then it's a small fraction of a watt.

For example WD Black 750GB 7200RPM is 1.75W peak, 0.8W idle and WD Blue 750GB 5400RPM is 1.6W peak and 0.65W idle. In reality you're looking at ~ 0.1W on average difference. So for a system that gets 4hrs (240 minutes) on battery with 5400RPM, that's losing less than 4 minutes. For the performance difference vs battery life saved, I'll take the 7200RPM thanks.

 

for me once upon a time 7200 was defo what i wanted. but id pick 5400 over the 7200 now because its quieter and less heat....in the notebooks ive used anyway. feel like im pushing the idle mode more tan it needs to when i hear whiring when just browsing. hate constant fan noise when its not doing anything to warrant it. lol.

 

Of course now, with the higher density platters, 5400RPM drives aren't necessarily that horrible. I remember having 4200RPM HDD's, and only like 120 to 160GB. Talk about slow!

 

I will never never put a HDD in a small portable Notebook again, saw far too many drives die just because of shocks. Everything below 14" should run SSDs or mSATAs only, that being if you intend to use it the way it was build for, traveling in vehicles & carrying it around.

 

I really wanna see some gut shots from this little beast or at least the manual, that would make my cat very happy

 

I agree. I only use SSD's now in laptops. But do you think Sager will make SSD standard in this notebook? I don't think so. But they *should* have a drive delete option since so many users will have an SSD of their own they'd like to install. I've found Sager pricing on SSD's to be very competitive though.

On the other hand if you think about it, the upcharge is usually close to retail cost of an SSD, so they're saving the cost of the hard drive it's replacing. But at least they don't charge $400 for a 256GB SSD like Dell and HP do.

 

Are these shock resistant mechanical drives just hype or something? Ive had a mech drive in my Samsung for a few years now, its taken a couple spills and is always on the move, haven't had an issue yet, but I do save everything to my desktop just in case.

 

Regardless of the drive installed ALWAYS backup your files on a regular basis. Use something like Dropbox for your most recent files even. Shock resistant drives are ok, but it still has mechanical mechanisms that are very small and very sensitive to shock.

It's looking like the Clevo W230ST may be getting a unique 765m, or there's just two versions of GTX 765m. All signs for 765m are pointing to a 128-bit but 850MHz and 1000MHz GDDR5 where the W230ST may be getting a 192-bit 600MHz and 700Mhz GDDR5.

If you compare:

GPU Core: 600MHz / 800MHz
Shaders: 768 / 768
Bus Width: 192-bit / 128-bit
vRAM Clock: 700MHz / 1000MHz

The performance would likely be about the same then, right?

Either that or it's actually a slower clocked 770m?

 

They didn't want a backlight keyboard in there at first either...so maybe things changed...we don't quite have July just yet...

Is it only Sager or are all Re-Seller stopping the W11 sales?

 

aside that I just eat a wonderful sandwich



the specs for the 765m according to cloud

and apparently Im quite late to the non party, shouldve gone for pizza

 

Not according to Cloudfire, but according to sweclockers: Google Oversetter

Cloud likes to take credit for things he doesn't do.

In either case, 850MHz / 128-bit 1000MHz GDDR5 or 600Mhz / 192-bit 700MHz GDDR5 I'll take it.

It would be nice to see see final specs of this new beastly little guy.

Check all the resellers, W110 is no longer available.

 

the good thing is that he hunts down those things

 

I agree. .

 

He's awesome! He should have "GPU Hunter" as his Forum Title!

 

Mythlogic is still selling it.

 

For now it may only be Sager who took it out of the programme...I mean there is not going to be any 11" replacement this year from Clevo, so would make sense to keep offering it...

 

Mythlogic is a Clevo builder though not a Sager reseller, and manage their own stock. They may have hundreds on hand still. RJTech still has them too.

 

PC Specialist still have it listed on their site.

 

They are also a Clevo builder. Sager no longer is offering them. Perhaps Clevo will continue to produce them just Sager may not bother to offer it any more.

 

This is probably it eh?


http://gizmodo.com/hell-yes-razer-made-the-most-powerful-small-windows-la-510358373

 

Excuse me, but when have I taken credit for the specs above (which you obviously got from my post since it says "Google Oversetter" which is norwegian for Google Translate) or in any of my other posts regarding news about GPUs? I usually post source links or "All credits goes to...".

If that is the attitude I`m getting for taking my time putting the pictures up to imgur and cutting and pasting pictures to fit the threads, I might just stop posting news about GPUs in this forum altogether.

Thanks to Prema and karamzovv whatever it is spelled. I do my best to keep everyone up to date about future GPUs

 

Also just seen the news for that, looks like razer has thrown down the gauntlet. Practically the same specs as the W230ST except bigger diagonally, thinner overall (probably) and a lower resolution display. Maybe this is the product that prompted Clevo to add the backlit keyboard. Either way I'm fairly confident the W230ST will be able to beat $1800 with only 8GB of RAM and a 128GB SSD ;P

 

WOW! Now that is something awesome. Well everything except the price tag, $2300. I understand it will be thinner and lighter, but still 16.8mm thick and 4.135 lbs is pretty awesome. It only says "next gen Haswell processors" so not sure if it's only dual-core, ULV, or full quad core. The W230ST will likely cost half as much, have a full 1080p screen, but likely 4.5lbs+ and 1.5in thick.

 

$1800 for the 14", $2300 for the 17"

Also given the previous 17" blades have been a bit limited with low power parts, I get the feeling there's going to be something significantly wrong with the CPU for a smaller machine

 

Well they went with dual core on the 17" versions before. This 14" will likely be ULV I think, although it does say HD 4600 where the ULV CPU's get the HD 5000 I believe. Seems the 765m is the next 650m though, popping up in everything now. $1800 with 128GB SSD isn't too horrible, depends on the screen quality too though. System is likely sealed up too so no user accessible RAM or SSD.

 

Dual core for first generation, 3632QM for second generation, but as for graphics you're right. I don't know what's going on there, quite a lot of the chassis would have to be dedicated to cooling to fit a 45W CPU in as well since they're going for slim designs. I guess we'll have to wait and see

 

hmmm competition. i like this more aesthetically. i hope it has msata aswell which then makes this ultimately deal breaker whith its lit keyboard. only thing for sager winning me over is if it has msata and that blade one doesnt. if neither has msata. then its which ever has the best mouse buttons. if they are both good and not noisey that you would get annoyed in a library everytime you pressed it. then only deal breaker would be price. im in the uk so we will see how that comes up compared to w230st.

im not in a rush to jump out as soon as its out. i do want to see a youtube review and i do hope some one actually touches it properly rather than JUST talk about specs. people like to see how the keyboard seems etc. if its noisey whilst gaming. that kind of review. not an unboxing review. if its like that and i like it ill spend my cash right away.

 

See I was right in the end, the 765M is using faster narrower ram.

 

I dunno if it was the journalist who got overexcited, but I have an issue with "the smallest, most gaming laptop--ultrabook we've seen." Is he on Razer payroll, or is he just doing his job poorly? This is misinformation...