W230ST - The 13" We've been waiting for!?

Not bad.

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6.1 pounds (2.8kg) for a 14"? MSI makes 17" lighter than that..
I wonder how much the full HD screen compares to 1600*900 in terms of battery life.
You don't benefit too much from full HD on such a small screen and if the difference in battery life is greater than 1 hour it might be worth considering the lower res screen (Not even mentioning the gaming benefits).

 

oh you do benefit from the high res, getting windows at 1920*1200 in a VM is one of the best things on a mbp 13

 

Hold your horses ... and other livestock. XD
My question is, will the NP7330 model ship with the mSATA problem? One fully functional mSATA slot or two. This is probably new thread worthy.... never started one XD

From Post #40 of the **Official Clevo P177SM-P170SM / Sager NP8290-8270 Owner's Lounge**
"Originally Posted by Derek@XoticPC View Post
Hey all, just got the update from Sager regarding the second Msata. It is present but right now it's proven to be unstable, the email we received made it seem that this was an issue on the Clevo side of things so should affect all units, and it concerns the possibility of dropped data connection. It's something that's being worked on and fixable in a future update, but as of right now the configurations are only being offered as a single Msata configuration in light of this. Hopefully that clears up some of the mystery for you folks."

Two Clevo builders (Mythlogic and Origin) are advertising TWO mSATA slots for currently available models. The NP9390 is also advertised with TWO mSATA slots on Sager and the reseller sites.

 

all SM machines come with two mSATA slots. so i really hope that problem doesnt affect the whole line....

 

Yes, you're right, the slots are physically there but Sager and it's resellers only list one mSATA under options for currently available SM models, with the exception of the 37xSM (9390) where two mSATA slots are listed. I hope it's an easy fix and people buying Sagers right now will have two fully functioning mSATA slots. I'll keep my wallet in my pocket for now.

 

i seriously hope that they get their game together, why there is always a bump like this? really why?

 

My guess is money. Marketing versus engineering. Have to sell the new product NOW! When were the last models released, last April? This year Haswell is released in June. The W230ST will come out in July'August? The competition is fierce as people are listing competitors all over this thread.

 

you the see the problem is that every year there is something

 

The 13" only has one mSATA slot so it shouldn't be affected, but on the 15" P157SM the one under the primary HDD bay has "warranty void if removed" stickers over the screws.

 

how weird is that? *lol*

 

i'm posting this due to same hardware specs: i7-4700MQ, GTX 765M
Test Schenker XMG A523 (Clevo W350ST) Notebook - Notebookcheck.com Tests

The test mentions that there is CPU-Throttling under full CPU load. And this is a 15.6" case.
(Haswell is just weak regarding performance / power loss / heat - no real progress, just for Ultrabook battery life stuff)

I hope the 1600*900 panel of the W230ST will have similar quality like the tested full hd (not 95% GAMUT) panel.
In this case i will buy the W230ST, maybe with i7-4702MQ.

First i was waiting for a new Sony Vaio Z (similar to my VPC-Z1), but there is no successor at the moment.

 

most noobs do not understand one thing

They want IPS screen but seriously what for ?

765m is not going to perform well on a 1080p and rather it will lag you like a snail

 

The throtteling was not directly temperature induced. ~70°C max load which is a FAR better value than i have expected. I hope the designer was simply a bit overconcerned or its a PSU problem .. 150W max load is alot.
Additionally, i also dont see any problems in picking a i7-4702MQ which should help.

 

IPS will definitely draw more power. The refresh is slower too. 1080p is good though, and at that size gaming at 720p scaled should look good.

 

building on that

1) I dont want color shift
2) 1080p is a necessity when doing other things than gaming
3) Im the koolz kidz

 

Then I guess the mSATA specs, under mini card slots, in the owner's lounge need to be changed. Or are they Clevo specs and not Sager specs

 

it's faster than 670mx and it was more than enough to play most games on high or ultra (no AA).
Unless you wish to play on maximum settings this card should be more than enough.

 

The blade is looking like the winner right now

 

mmmmm not really

 

Yeah but that was last generation when almost all games where DX9. I feel with the new consoles around the corner and they will be working on the same X86 architecture as our laptops we will see more graphic intensive games. I think 1600x900 is the way to go if you want this to be mainly for gaming.

 

Winner in style (subjective) and thinness, otherwise loser in cost, heat, and upgradeability. Unless the W230ST comes out at $1600 base price, the W230ST is my new machine.

 

It is cute, but no PgUp, PgDn would drive me crazy.

 

Thinking of replacing my Asus G46vw with this...

 

Do we know anything about the blade's heat? Not yet to my knowledge...I agree the 230st will almost certainly be better , though

 

no we dont, we only have flir images of the chassis though

 

45W CPU + 60W GPU in 0.6" thick metal chassis? Ever put your hand on a conventional 100W light bulb lit up?

 

its 37w cpu, but the flir pic surely tells me that the bottom of that unit will be hot, the heatsink is facing that way, and that the screen will be scorched

 

Oh is it the 4702 CPU? Won't matter though, temps will be about same at peak, just won't be able to boost as high or for as long.

 

The bottom of the screen is not showing significantly raised temperatures in that pic so it should be fine.

 

Heat is a funny thing, though. Enthusiasts complain about CPU temps being in the 70s at load when other people post temps in the mid 50s, but that doesn't matter ultimately. TJmax is 100+c for a reason.

As to laptops, I could care less if the device gets hot, as all I every do with it is game on a table with a mouse. I never hold it on my lap or use it as a television substitute. Now, that's not to justify heat which could ultimately pose an issue with stability. The question in my mind is this: is heat going to be an actual issue with the Razer Blade, or are we just looking for something to complain about? I agree that it is virtually certain that the 230ST will not suffer the same heat concerns as the Blade, but to what extent?

Also, if the W230ST's touchpad sucks as bad as my Sager NP8130, I can't buy it. I just can't.

 

I guess i don't understand the use case of a gamer and a touchpad. I would never game on a laptop without a mouse except under the rarest circumstances. The touchpad on my gaming laptops are all turned off.

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On the Razer forum, someone got to touch and mess around with it. He said the keyboard was at a normal temp. He did say they where on all day running demo's at E3. Check out his post. I think the Razer is a great contender. Just waiting for official price/specs/release date for US to make my decision.

 

from ivy it showed that those lower clocks made a real difference in heat, while the i7 3520m had a heat performance much likes its 45w brothers the 3612qm had a heat performance much like its 35w dual core brothers

 

Eh? Not necessarily. See W110ER users that had the 3612qm and they will likely say otherwise.

And see here:

 

notebookcheck is wiping the results of temp measurements, sigh

 

those are 3610qm, not 3612qm, still I had a pic posted, when the post is cleared by a mod it shall magically appear.

johnbots is receiving his razer blade today, I hope he gives us some info to work on

 

I saw the Razer models at E3 the other day, and can honestly say I wasnt that impressed. Sure, it looked great, like a matte black MBP. However, the vents only consist of little slits underneath, which could explain why I quickly lifted my hands off the palmrest upon touching it. Now, this could be because they were running some fps game (which I didn't check what game it was) all morning, but still... I think this is what I look forward to most in the W230ST--the vents on the sides spitting out air properly. Back to the Razer (14" model): there wasnt much give/flex in the keyboard, which was nice. The screen was clear and bright (glossy though, IIRC). The case and bulid quality seemed to be pretty good and sturdy. So yeah, this is gonna be stiff competition. Still want that 13" lappy though Alienware loses in this next generation of gaming lappies

Attached: My expression during most of E3 LOL!

 

No, but it's 3610QM quad core 45W compared with a 3360m dual core 35W. There's only a 3-5C difference between the two, imagine the dual being a quad and the extra heat it would generate.

 

can anyone tell me what is the real life game performance between 760m and 765m? i have checked some notebook check. some games was close like 3-8fps difference with same games. yet the 3d mark 11 is 3300 vs 4100. does that make sense for the frames to be so close? id expect more performance.

i ask because i read that w230st is available in late july in the uk. but they are releasing a 14 model sooner. which of course is a clevo barebones with a 760m and it will be much cheaper they said. i can only assume it wont have backlit and 3g capabilties. but im nearly tempted. have no idea what model it is based off tho. clevos website is quite poorly filtered. (no product break down between with dedicated gpus so looking through the lot takes long)

this is there words i quote

"The 13.3" model will be called the 13.3" Optimus V. It will have a FHD (1920 x 1080) screen and GTX 765M. However, it is not going to be available until August. It is not going to be cheap as it's packed full of top spec features!

The 14" model will be called the 14" SkyFire and will have a HD+ (1600 x 900) screen and GTX 760M. The price will be more competitive on this model and stock will be here in approx. 1 month. "

has the 14" slipped past us silently?

 

I take it this is the thread: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/foru...-the-Clevo-W230ST-(13-3-quot-gaming-notebook)

That is *not* good news if true:
- expensive
- August

Maybe the Blade is looking like a better choice. For me I guess I'd like to know the price difference between Razer Blade and W230ST with 1600x900 and 512GB SSD. If PC Specialist say it's expensive, I take that as likely $1500 for a stock system. Granted that is from the UK, so who knows if they'll get it at same time, before, or after US.

 

If that's the case, I might just break down and buy the 14" MSI. The 760m isn't that bad, and if it's going to cost $400 less, I can deal with it.

 

Yay, I started that thread on PC Specialist! /brag

But if you're in the UK I'd also keep an eye on Scan who confirmed that they'll stock the W230ST once its released, they tend to be a bit cheaper for very high end systems than PCS and also seem a bit quicker to get stock.

Regarding 3DMark scores I can't really explain them off the top of my head, there is a major boost to clock speeds with the 765M over the 760 (850 and 657MHz respectively, 30% boost (maths needs checking?)) so it should be significantly better in games unless the memory starts being a bottleneck.

 

yes that is the thread. im sure as this thread said it prob will get it mid july. to august. it should get it before uk as uk would prob have to wait for delivery of barebones and logo brand there models where as you guys in the states will already have it sorted. i had to consider blade 14".
but im seriously gonna have to consider it now. ill have to work out the price $ to £ and see what the w230st price is in the uk for the same spec. and covert price backwards and see the difference in price and then work out import cost and shipping to see if worthwhile. so there could still be hope for the w230st as the blade 14 is only avaialble in the us and canada.
but i am now keen to see this 14" clevo model with the 760m.
i think if they are reading this thread they might drop premiums and allow you to customise it up from base price of $1099 for a basic spec as no one seems to keen on the potential price. like the w110er, just start of basic. and you pay for the extras as they know they are likely to get if that of course if that base price is still with that profit margin.

 

Now that I think of it, haven't Razer been pretty unwilling to say when the blade will come to markets outside of the US?

Case in point: Razer CEO discusses super-thin Blade gaming laptop - Laptop - News - HEXUS.net

Near the end of the video (12:02) the presenter asks when they'll be coming to the UK market, his response is that they had problems meeting demand for the first two generations of blade so they're stepping up production this year, and that they're talking with their EU resellers, also that they should have more news towards the end of the year. Then after being asked specifically whether we'll be able to buy before christmas he simply says "we're working on it". So... I guess getting your hands on a blade is gonna be a bit difficult. Certainly will be outside of the US.

 

I think they are going to sell the msi ge40, I wonder if the w230st is expensive while the other is much more affordable, and given that the ge40 retails for 1200...

or its the razer blade

I dont believe in seeing them moving out of the US this year, he openly admitted that they are pretty poor on making stuff, and that their fabs needs basically more productivity, it was the same interview that he said he is an apple fanboy

btw johnbots razer arrived, he took some pics

blade 14 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

 

That 14" must be an MSI.

Btw, the MSI GE40 with a spec of i7-4702MQ, GTX 760M, 14" HD+(1600x900), 8GB RAM, 750GB HDD, is selling at RM3,999 here in Malaysia.
So, that's about USD1,333.

The W230ST with a spec of 13.3" FHD, i7-4700MQ, GTX 765M will be selling at RM3,899.
So, that's about USD1,299.

Not much info on the W230ST, whether that price includes HDD, OS and RAM.

Someone already got a hands on the MSI GE40 though :
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2849748

 

KK where did you get those prices?

 

It will be cheaper in the US, I'm sure.

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Hopefully we can get some temp readings on that blade 14".