W230ST - The 13" We've been waiting for!?

Yes it does go toward getting the discount with Sager Resellers.

What does not count is if one would choose the Rush Order Service fee, if Taxes were added, and one chose an upgraded Shipping option, like Next Day Air for example.

 

Well I just did some research on some of AUO's other AHVA panels and the results seem good. They have relatively low input lag compared to most IPS panels and should be sufficient for gaming. Still wish they were using the Innolux panels though.

 

Does the Clevo W230ST have an IPS-based panel or a TN-based panel?

The Razer Blade 14" came SO close to being a laptop with perfect specs... but they threw away the game by putting a crappy TN panel into that unit. I'm hoping that the Clevo W230ST didn't make that same mistake.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo-reviews-owners-lounges/715556-official-clevo-w230st-sager-np7330-owners-lounge-24.html

check out post 231. I also passed on the Razer bc of the screen, I think the Clevo won't disappoint at least in this department.

 

thank you for the quick reply.
just a matter of waiting on reviews and then choosing a suitable vendor.
still so much to consider when customizing the laptop.
i'm starting to get some of my questions answered, but still so many linger.
i've done preliminary research into what kind of wireless card would work best, but i'm still rather green in this arena.
for all i know, it may be a router issue or a distance issue that no wireless card can resolve.

appreciate the information!

 

Is the AUO panel a sager only thing? Because I thought it was confirmed it was shipping with the innolux panel.

 

Awesome. Thank you very much for the fast (and non-snarky) reply on this! +1 rep.

 

Can't wait for you guys to receive your W230ST/NP7330! I'll wait for some tests and reviews before I pull the trigger.

 

Do we know of any UK retailers yet?

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I just got a confirmation from Aftershock (Clevo reseller in Singapore) that their XG13 (based on Clevo W230ST) uses the CMN N133HSE-EA1 display panel.

 

Wouldn't mind another update from LightningPL, if you're still reading this.
Just your thoughts after using it for an extended period would be greatly appreciated.:thumbsup:

 

Would 1.5V RAM works? or need 1.35V RAM ?

 

For you there is the 1080p option which no one, I think, argues about its importance. Whether that is the best option for everyone it's a different story and a moot point right now because Clevo indicates a 1600x900 panel option on their website...so everybody is happy.

CLEVO - Products

 

Both will "work".
I'm leaning towards 1.35V, since it *should* improve battery life a bit.
The problem is finding resellers than have those in sale, or better yet, that allow you to buy the system without RAM so you can pick it yourself...

 

It seems like some Haswell notebook only works with 1.35V RAM. When using 1.5V, it won't boot.
Wonder if this the same with W230ST.

 

It won't make a lick of difference to battery life, except when being taxed fully, like with CPU, where the lower voltage at higher amps will actually have a measurable difference.

See this: Technology Primer: Low Voltage RAM - Puget Custom Computers

At idle, with 1.25V, 1.35V, 1.65V, there was 2W difference between 1.35V and 1.65V, and that's four sticks of desktop RAM. Laptop RAM is typically 1.5V, so half the difference from 1.35V, and two sticks, and less power draw. The difference between 1.25V and 1.35V at idle was negligible, closer to what you'd see in a 1.35V vs 1.5V in a laptop, and only 2W difference at load.

 

I actually thought it would make a fair whack of difference to battery life when suspending to RAM.

 

Both have low power states when suspending to RAM, and the amp draw is probably close to the same, so you *might* get 5% longer sleep time.

Where it matters is with heat, and the Samsung 1.35V RAM I have also overclocks like a banshee, but that's really irrelevant IMHO unless you plan on gaming on the IGP (and the system supports RAM overclock which I doubt it will with stock BIOS).

 

Maybe that's why there are some discrepancies in the repported width?

 

I'm sure they can accommodate 0.3mm variance in thickness.

 

I'm reading this thread every day What you would like to know ? My thoughts about using short time this machine...hmm...great piece of hardware, very comfortable and very powerfull.
I'm testing right now combination of i7-4702MQ , 16GB RAM, 2xmSATA SSD (120GB) RAID0. 4702MQ is much more colder about 10C less than 4700MQ and 4800MQ. But still is a great performance also saves an energy.

Some new benchmarks from W230ST:

i7-4702MQ:






i7-4700MQ:



i74800MQ:

 

Great temperatures on the 4702MQ, LightningPL. I'm very tempted to swap the 4700MQ for a 4702MQ now.

 

Yes I am pretty sure it is. I am going to talk to Mythologic and see what they are using.

 

Wouldn't it be better to just underclock the 4700MQ?

 

In theory, yes, but this is my first Clevo so I'm not sure if the BIOS allows you to set a ceiling multiplier ratio.

 

Prices on that norwegian site seem higher than I was expecting... for a laptop w/o OS.

Simple currency conversion would indicate this machine, with my chosen specs would fall in the $1600 USD range, but i'm inclined to think things cost a bit more over there in Scandinavia...

Old sony is on its last leg, really need a new laptop soon. Seems this thing and the Gigabyte P34G as well as new models listed on Asus website have no expected release date. Some people were throwing out September dates for the P34G, might just bite the bullet and pick up a Razer.

Damn I'm impatient, someone just take my freakin' money

 

Here, they seem to be able to undervolt it from windows.

 

wow was not expecting that big of a difference. seems most vendors are not offering the 4702 though. hope that changes.

 

Thanks! Reading Calibre41's post right now.

 

Ok guys, I guess I need a quick lesson. Let's say I only need 256GB storage. Convince me why I should RAID0 a pair of 128GB M4s and dump the HDD completely rather than just slap a single 256GB M4 or an 840 Pro in it and call it good. Will I really notice a difference in performance, or am I just doubling my chances of data loss so I can say I have a striped array in a 13" laptop?

Any reason to chose the 840 Pro over the single M4? The price difference isn't a huge deal. I'm just looking for fast boot times and application startup (office, games, Adobe suite). I'm used to the 5400rpm platter in my m860tu, so anything is (hopefully) going to be a serious improvement!

 

Thanks LightningPL. Could you provide temps for the cinebench runs with 4700 and 4800?

 

Have you tried opening up XTU and having a look at the controls on offer?

 

No need for RAID really other than bragging rights unless you do tons of file transfers. And I would get 840 Pro or M4 whichever is cheaper. Both are great drives.

 

If you can get the 840 Pro for only $20-$30 more than the M4, it is the better drive as the write speed and IOPS is a lot better, but yes as far as load times and read speed, those two drives are perform at the same level.

 

LightningPL have you tired any games on it ? if so share your thoughts ;p

 

Keep in mind the Norwegian prices include 25% VAT.

 

I wanted to ask you guys is lower temp CPU (i7-4702mq) will allow a higher overclocking of GPU ? LightningPL OCed his 765m a little bit and after it showed some artifacts. Also wanted to ask if undervolting or any modding done by community will allow to OC gpu and CPU to maybe hit a 5000 mark in 3dmark11?

 

Curious about how the scores LightningPL posted compare with other haswell gaming laptops using the 765M. Anyone know?

 

Thohrhack posted this a short while ago in the owner's lounge. It links to a review on Notebookcheck of a laptop with similar specifications (CPU/GPU): Review Asus G750JW Notebook - NotebookCheck.net Reviews

So it performs quite similarly, it would seem.

 

This news has just been bouncing around, is it the same laptop, to my untrained eye it looks the same?

http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/11/...source=Feed_Classic&utm_campaign=Engadget

 

Yeah, it probably is.

 

Yup looks like the same Clevo chassis, just their own back panel on it.

 

It's a W230ST. Those guys pay for prime advertising spots.

As a sidenote, it's so painful to read comment threads for gaming laptops. Still a lot of people stuck in the past who think gaming laptops are bad machines. For such an advanced industry, you would think tech enthusiasts would be more open to change.

 

Has anyone found a US vendor selling the w230st configured with a 4702?

One might be insulted by lumping Engadget or Gizmodo commenters into the "tech enthusiasts" category .

 

Artifacts is typically due to vRAM overclocked too high due to voltage. So unless we get some vRAM voltage control, probably we'll be a bit limited. I'm sure it we will eventually get a modded vBIOS to allow for faster OC's and higher voltage (ahem - Prema - ahem ).

 

There are two issues, one of which does involve cooling, as both processors share the same cooler. As previously stated, it could run a little cooler, which would be a benefit, albeit small, on the overall shared cooling scheme. The second and more compromising issue involves power. A 4702MQ at load will average 10 watts less of draw on the PSU than a 4700 or 4800. Essentially, that's more power for OCing the GPU. If I go with a 4800MQ, my power draw at load for CPU + GPU is going to be around 112 watts. The PSU is rated at 120 watts. That only leaves 8 watts. If you OC, you're not going to have a much headroom left for higher draw at full load combined with the other internals. A 4702MQ would be a help at 37 watts. Of course, you could just use a stronger PSU. Which begs the question... What is the pin/plug type for the W230ST's power port?

 

I was wondering about the same thing. I ordered a W230ST from XoticPC, and wanted to know if it uses the same 2.5mm x 5.5mm barrel connector as the P150xM series and W110ER. I recently made a modded Delta 240W PSU for my P150SM / GTX 780M, so I'm no longer using the stock 180W PSU. Could I use that for the W230ST? I'm imagining that 180W will supply whatever extra power an overclocked 765M would ever need.

Lightning PL - would you be able to let us know if the W230ST uses the 2.5mm x 5.5mm barrel connector? It seems to be a fairly common connection for Clevo laptops.

 

Engadget pisses me off unimaginably with this kind of posts. Why just mention Digital Storm when 1) it's not really a Digital Storm Laptop but a standard Clevo model and 2) a bunch of different vendors are selling the exact same model. Why not say here is the new Clevo model and you can get it from various different vendors starting at $1036 (ignoring the "they got paid" hypothesis for a moment).

 

That's correct I can confirm that, W230ST uses the 2.5mm x 5.5mm barrel connector, like P150EM, W110ER and W350ETQ/W370ET.

 

It's not even really a hypothesis that they pay for these spots. I once called out an article on Engadget for doing this, and to my surprise a representative for that company (I don't remember which one, it was Digital Storm, Origin, Maingear, or some other overpriced boutique company) snarkily responded confirming that they do pay for these spots and there was nothing wrong with that. Of course, he went on say that they were worth the premium and insulted other resellers as being the "bottom of the barrel."