W230ST - The 13" We've been waiting for!?

Temps for i7-4700MQ and i74800MQ was very high about 90-95C under heavy load (Cinebench, Battlefield 3, Batman Arkham City - playing about 30-40 minutes) i tried to repaste 3-4 times to apply MX4 thermalpaste perfectly but without better score maximum was 95C.
A bit too hot but solution is i7-4702MQ.

I tried to OC GPU but maximum score which I achieved without artifacts on 3DMark11 was about P4700 points.

 

Oh dear that's not going to work, I'm going to see if Mythlogic will allow me to change the CPU to a 4702MQ right now. Thank you the information!

 

That's not good, and quite odd considering the W110ER could handle the 3610 and 3720/40QM just fine.

Looks like I'll be looking at some cooling mods as well!

 

Without having to trawl through all 165 pages of this thread, can anyone tell me where I might buy/pre-order/be on the lookout for, the Clevo W230ST/Sager NP7330 in Europe or the UK?

My laptop is dying and I'm eager to get my hands on one of these! I spent the whole evening searching for potential European/UK resellers and all I can find is this: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=LT-028-OE&groupid=959&catid=1828

which has a release date listed a month later than most places in the US! (not to mention lacking customisations)

Thanks in advance!

 

Am I reading it correct? Does it actually run *hotter* than Razer Blade 14" while being almost *twice* as thick?

What was the ambient temperature during your tests?


I'm currently torn between the two (more features vs better looks), but this information may be just enough to tip the scales.

 

is the 4702 going to be a special customization made at purchase time since it isn't offered as an option at the moment?

 

Heatpipe is a little bit longer than in W110ER so maybe this is a problem. Don't understand me wrong, you can easily work on i7-4700MQ and i7-4800MQ, but under very long heavy load and hot air (it's summer) it will be 90-95C. Maybe with some mods we can achive lower temps but right now 4702MQ (performance very similar to 3630QM) is passing all my needs in 101% and I recommend it.

In web browsing, watching movie, fan is practically inaudible. I don't even hear is spinning or not. I like this very much.

 

wow.. relatively inaudiable while watching video and respectable temps while under minimal stress.
signs looking more positive by the day.

when you get a chance to test the battery life, please report. thank you for everything.

 

Ambient temperature was about 24C-25C.

W230ST runs much more cooler with i7-4702MQ that same CPU has Razer Blade 14" unfortunatelly Razer Blade machine is working like campfire and generate a lot of heat with i7-4702MQ in comparision with W230ST.
I woudn't even think and choose W230ST it's great barebone, stylish, with very nice design (rubber finish) and also has very comfortable keyboard.
Posibility of using RAID, beautiful FullHD IPS display (like Asus Zenbook) is a very big advantage.

 

I would have to guess that would be a yes, I was originally looking at this processor anyways but no one seems to have it listed as an option.

I just got through discussing this with Mythlogic and they let me change from the 4700MQ to the 4702MQ for $80. I don't expect this notebook to be running full blast around the clock but nice to have the peace of mind that the temperatures will not be going upwards in the 90's if so.

 

I tested battery with i7-4702MQ, on IDLE, webrowsing with screen on 30% it worked about 4h30minutes. Under heavy load (playing BF3, Batman AC) it will surive about 1h30m.

 

4702MQ is not available from any reseller in the US for this model currently. I guess I'll have to wait for detailed info on the Blades temperatures and W230ST's 4700MQ under[volting/clocking] results.

If I was seriously interested in any of these features I'd not be considering the Blade in the first place.



Greetings from former eastern neighbor, btw. I was in Minsk on vacation just a couple of weeks ago.

 

In Poland there is i7-4702MQ in stock, you can always place an order . According to site W230ST will come to warehouse in next monday.

 

correct me if im wrong im not an expert in this area but if I go for i7-4702MQ and some modified bios comes out (Prema) will I be able to overclock to higher frequences like i7-4800mq maybe?

 

Even with modified BIOS i don't think so you will achieve better performance than i7-4800mq processor. But in this case Prema are able to answer your question.

 

thanks alot for your replies Lightning, may I ask one last question. Do you like Full HD screen ? I'm torn between 1600x900 and full HD but i'm worried on Full HD everything will be too small, icons text etc. I've heard IPS panels are awesome but I want to know if it's a good pic to throw extra money at ;P

 

Any info yet on the 900p screen used ? The IPS being too good for me!

 

Ok so after few days of working on 13,3" with FHD resolution I can tell you my feelings. Screen is very good in term of brightnes, colors, angles it's fantastic. Of course in native resolution everything is very small, icons, labels and so on. But you can familiar with that. Sometimes when I was tired it was dificult to work and see every text on such small resolution, but you can always switch DPI to 125% and everything is clearly visible. In games scaling down to 1600x900 is not bluring and with 2xAA you have very sharp and clear image. I tested few games and what I can say, I didn't saw any differance in deterioration of image in 1920x1080 or 1600x900. Of course performance was noticable in HD+ resolution.
We will see which HD+ panel will be installed but I don't think so it will be so good like this superb Chi Mei Innolux N133HSE-EA1. For now it's the best matte FHD panel for 13.3" notebooks period

 

wow 12 pages to read over night. what just happened to this thread lol. its shame about the 4700mq nd 4800mq. is it really 90-95c at full load? saying that i upgraded my single fan cooled 13 inch from i5 to i7 quad and its actually running upto aroun 90c+. which explains why it wasnt an option paired with a gpu. where as usa did have i7 options but no gpu at all.
basically if the app is cpu intensive. it will no doubt go over 90c but otherwise im sure it should be in the 80s.
i thought the cpus was cololer these days? or is that the gpu that is much cooler now.

 

Mythlogic has it up on their site now +$80. Interestingly I chatted with an HIDevolution rep who said the 4700 and 4702 cost the same for them, so there's no charge for the upgrade on their site. Haven't speced out builds to compare cost, but kinda cool they don't charge anything for the upgrade. Hopefully Xotic lists it soon too.

 

4700MQ -> 3.4ghz (4 core) (3.2ghz stock)
4800MQ -> 3.9ghz (4 core) (3.5ghz stock)
4900MQ -> 4.2ghz (4 core) (3.6ghz stock)

That is their maximum frequency in a system that has multiplier control.

 

dang those temps are high, I hope the ic diamond Paste helps lower it more. I look forward to undervolt mods like we had on the W110ER. I got the 4700MQ.. I hope I didnt make a mistake.

I picked up a Intel 525 240GB off newegg today ($270 shipped) so this thing should be fast! I cant wait till next week!

 

Nice. Just limit FPS with nVidiainspector to 30 or 40 and you will reduce temps significantly and extend battery life to probably 2:30 with games.

When I get my W230ST likely early next week I will report back on my findings with 4800MQ. This time around it may be more sensible to go with 4702MQ. But if XTU supports undervolting and underclocking with a faster CPU you will have the best of all worlds.

And was that with keyboard backlighting off and on power saver mode?

 

Yep, I think I am going to have to wait for the 4702MQ. Part of the reason I am upgrading from my Dell is to get a bit better battery life and something that runs cooler on my lap when I want to use it that way. Sounds like the 4702MQ will help with both right out of the box with no tweaking.

 

We just added the 4702 to our configurators, we got some stock of them!

 

So........... Hows the battery life? Can it match the blade's 6 hours?

 

Will you sell them individually?

 

See earlier post by LightningPL. Seems so far battery life is around 4h30 so less than the Razer blade, but then again it has a beefier screen. I assume that's with the IGP as well?

 

Reading between the lines, the Clevo W650SR shipped with the Intel HM86 (W230 is HM87) and supported XTU for cpu clocks and voltages.

I would say that the odds of the W230ST supporting XTU in at least the same capacity, are very good indeed.

That means that you should be able to run a 4700 as a 4702. Or a 4800 or 4900, for that matter. Would love for LigntningPL to confirm/deny.

I'm still personally itching for prema to give us another "run the fan at full speed" button before the temperatures shoot up over 90 and throttling becomes a possibility, but I can't justify the 4702 either way.

 

Likely with IGP, but need clarification if the keyboard backlighting was turned off and if it was power saving mode or not.

 

For you.... No because you still haven't got a single laptop from us even though we are like an hour away =P
For everyone else... Sure, but they are OEM style processors, they don't carry the same warranty as normal retail mobile procs

(Note that was a joke)

Yes we will sell them individually to everyone

 

if lightning managed 4.5 hours without the power saver profile, the best is yet to come, i reckon.
i'm hoping someone can post a video regarding the noise output.

the constant whirring of my p150hm for the last two years has not been the most pleasant noise, even though it has served me well.

 

I'm not very familiar with XTU, but can i ask what type of configuration would you enter to have it perform like a 4702 or 4800? Is it a bit of trial and error to see what works best? or can you enter TDP limits?

Also I'm guessing XTU is a windows only application, so it wouldn't work with other OS's?

 

The XTU interface does appear to have TDP settings.

If by "other OS" you mean something Linux or xBSD based, you can always lock the CPU governor lower anyway, just as it should be, instead of some hardware dynamically clocking itself using god knows what algorithm.

 

wondering if someone can help explain what circumstances will dictate which purchase i should make as i intend to eventually buy a clevo w230st.

i've always went with a stock card, but i'd like to try out other options this time.
i do a lot of streaming of sporting events online, and maintaining a consistent connection has proved troublesome.
perhaps this is a product of the router i use and the distance between my laptop and the router. either way, i'd really appreciate an answer.
looking to this fantastic community to point me in the right direction.

Sager - Intel® Dual Band AC 7260 802.11 A/AC/B/G/N 2.4/5.0GHz + Bluetooth™ 4.0 - [Compatible with Windows 8 Only]
Sager - Bigfoot Networks Killer™ Wireless-N 1202 + Bluetooth 4.0 (Dual Band)
Sager - Bigfoot Networks Killer™ Wireless-N 1103 (3x3)

 

Get an ASUS RT-AC66U router and the Intel 7260. I'm getting 40-45 MB/sec transfers with this thing 25 ft away from the router. Very little structural interference mind you, just router is on other side of house from laptop. Loving it so far.

 

I'm supposed to receive mine soon from pcw (clevo.fr) but I still am hesitant about this 4700 vs 4702 thing.
LigntningPL could you maybe check if the w230st is compatible with XTU? That would help a lot of folks out there to decide, including me thx

 

Where can I get best bargain on this notebook?

 

xotic is looking pretty good right now at around 1100. Not sure why but it's about 250 less than AVA direct.

 

You literally put the multiplier lower than the maximum value to throttle the maximum frequency. (e.g. 3.2 ghz (4702mq single core max speed) = 32x, 3.4ghz (same for 4700mq) = 34x, 4800mq single core max = 3.7ghz = 37x. With XTU +400 = 4.1ghz=41x.

Subtract, 100 mhz (1x) for uing two cores, 200mhz (2x) for using 3-4 cores, and that's where all the numbers come from.

T'snot rockit surjery.

Now if only I could figure out where babies come from...

Also:

^ That.

Edit: Because I realise perhaps I missed the point slightly -- In theory, the 4702 will have a lower stepping available to it than the 4700, by 200mhz (2x). (I say in theory, I've never actually dissected the lower end of chip frequencies before, ever). This is because the chips are partially unlocked. The auto-unlocked steppings just work with intel speedstep, but the extra steppings don't as they don't advertise the speed to the bios, that's why the XTU 'hacks'.

Most poignantly, you cannot raise a 4700 to a 4800's base multiplier no matter what you do, and there's +400mhz on top of that to play with in the 4800.

Similarly, although in theory you could take a 4702 and raise it to a 4700's base, you still couldn't reach the same XTU overclock; but this is somewhat less of a sizeable gap than 500mhz.

If you want a laptop that lasts forever on a battery and generates no heat, get one without a dedicated graphics card or a latest quad core i7. In fact, you'll probably find ARM is right up your alley.

 

Oh and may I say, bravo Sager for updating the configurator with the Win7 incompatibility on the 7260.

I feel all important and speshul now.

 

Is TDP locked though?

 

Seems easy enough, but isn't part of the benefit of the 4702 chip that because of TDP limits it spends less time at turbo frequency? So that even if you did limit a 4700mq by multiplier, it would still run as hot because of the lack of TDP limit?

 

Huhwha?

If this were a proper bios, you could turn off the 'turbo' multiplier. (On previous gen [my own i7-920 for example], it was just the name given to the top stepping. On haswell, I don't think there is a turbo multiplier anymore.)

The only way that a 4702 is generating less heat than a 4700 running at the same frequency and doing the same work, would be voltage.

What a coincidence that XTU probably lets you change this as well (although I don't have any evidence that voltage is even different between the two to begin with -- I don't think it is).

The 4702 comes with a more restrictive TDP throttle. What this means is that the 4700 will generate 27% more heat before hitting its TDP limit. In other words, the 4702 will throttle sooner when presented with a 'real' work load -- under some circumstances, it won't do the same amount of work as a 4700 with identical clock speeds. That's not a good thing you can call a selling point unless you're compiling linux kernels or prime95ing on your bare lap.

This is all largely irrelevant for heat as an argument anyway. Look at the thermal envelope of the GPU (60W vs 47W). No matter which CPU you run, it's not going to create as much heat on its own as playing a 3d game, no matter how much work it does.

If you want to do real work faster (such as video editing, compiling, whatever), buy the faster chip. And run it as slow as you feel comfortable with when gaming, if that's your thing. If you don't want to do real work faster, save all the money you can and buy the 4700.

Don't spend more money to get less -- at least, not until it's confirmed that XTU isn't working.

 

Yes. All non-extreme chips have locked TDP.

But the goal was to get TDP lower, not higher, so I don't think there's a problem.

 

Are you talking about different TDP? Sorry, I'm a little lazy to google it right now.
But I tend to agree more with xanthian in that it is actually a thermal characteristic of the processor and that it would be better to have a higher.

 

All the Sager resellers have it for $1069 base: lpc-digital (my recommendation), xoticpc, powernotebooks, etc. and they all offer 3% cash discount. I recommend sending a PM or email to a reseller though, they may be able to offer a little discount or incentive.

Yes higher would be better because you can always (well, usually) go lower, but a lower TDP chip can't go higher. Until we get validation from a few more machines, I wouldn't dismiss the 4700 or 4800 as options right now.

Here's comparison between the three chips: http://ark.intel.com/compare/75128,75117,75119

You can always use Windows power options to limit your CPU speed to keep heat down if needed.

 

RJTech has a completely barebones version for $659, not sure how they always have this option. Otherwise their pre-built systems seem to be comparable in price.

 

It is barebones with no CPU, no RAM, no wi-fi (well maybe stock wi-fi) nothing but the chassis and LCD.

Although if you already have your own hard drive/SSD and RAM it might not be a bad place. With stock chassis, add 4700MQ, add Intel 7260 wi-fi, no RAM, no HDD, costs $989. But if you emailed one of the resellers they'd probably be able to match or better that price.

 

Touché! 6% sales tax doesn't help, and fact that I am able to get a good discount from LPC now doesn't hurt either.

What price for the CPU's?

Thanks!