W230ST - The 13" We've been waiting for!?

Common now you know we can't do pricing on the forums =P

 

You're right, Intel has the tray prices for both processors at $383. Well that's not very nice...

 

Yes but you are looking at the pricing in a vacuum, it may be +80 from the 4700, but who said the 4700 price + $80 was even equal to $383

Just because something is comparatively more expensive doesn't mean its still not cheaper.

To further the example, if someone else was "charging" on their site: (Note all numbers are examples, and not reflective of the real world, disclaimer disclaimer)

4700 - $383
4702 - $383

They would be the "same price" and have the "same cost"

But if someone else was say

4700 - $250
4702 - $330

Who's the better deal

 

two things:

that's a mighty massive router price for my pockets

-there are other well-regarded options on amazon's best seller list that come much cheaper, but i don't know if there's much of a sacrifice in output/connectivity.
Amazon Best Sellers: best Computer Routers for instance
-second, is it a certainity that i'll i have to use the w8 operating system if i purchase the 7260? and furthermore, would my purchase of the 7260 still be justified if i didn't buy the router you suggested?

 

7260 will be better than the stock Broadcom or Realtek or whatever crap they give you on a BGN card. For $30 you will get a solid consistent connection. Otherwise BGN is BGN. If you want ultimate speed, then AC is the way to go. You're looking at 10MB/sec BEST with N and so far getting about 40-45MB/sec with AC. So I guess the question is if the cost is justified for you.

 

thanks for that.
i'll definitely have to read up more on what i'm getting myself into.
if anyone knows of any budget'ish ac routers out there, please send em my way.

 

This is from Aftershock:



It seems to me that it's not that thick.

 

Problem with AC though is that it's not a final standard, the way N wasn't for the longest time. So you may be limited in expansion in the future.

 

ugly lid and damn it looks THICK!

 

That is the exact reason I haven't bought an AC router just yet. Want to get a standardized standard before I decide on the router I'll be replacing my BGN with. Been resisting upgrading to a WRT for almost a year now because I knew these were coming.

 

Problem is by the time they standardize AC the next standard will be in the works.

 

Thank you for the explanation, although HIDevolution is still coming out nearly $90 less shipped when I tried duplicating my configuration and that's with 8GB of RAM and the Intel 6300 WiFi card.

 

And thats due to all the love that we put into every machine.. Until we can figure out how to pay staff in not money.. Or grow money out of the ground =P

 

LOL fair enough, I'm just looking forward to not having to use a Windows RT tablet as a daily driver any longer.

 

I'd be happy with AC when it gets done, I adopted N when it was semi finalized (I don't think it's officially final still), probably do the same once there are some more finalization done with AC.

 

I work for beer.

 

I work for overclocks

 

Anyone know of a nice and light messenger style bag for this laptop? All the retailer options seem to be for 17" laptops.

 

Hey guys, a couple of questions:

• Are there any resellers for this laptop where the word "gaming" doesn't appear anywhere on the website? For obvious reasons.
• Mythlogic, why does your configurator recommend getting a hard drive? Any reason not to leave the hard drive bay empty and just get 2 mSATA?
• Are you resellers silent on the questions on the 900p because you're not allowed to tell, or because you don't know?

 

Eh, not so obvious. Why does it matter?

LPC-Digital, XoticPC, Mythlogic all look very professional. You can check out RJTech.com.

 

he might be wanting to write it off for a work expense or something, doesn't want the boss to see 'gaming'?

 

Getting the laptop through work, and don't want to raise any eyebrows.

Resellers should have some professional-looking pages dedicated to us CUDA/number crunching people, because these are increasingly important use cases for GPU notebooks. It doesn't help convince the suits to have aliens and race cars on the pages where you're trying to buy these notebooks.

 

That was my first thought, although they(well mythlogic at least) have a heading specifically labelled "business"...

ac router: gonna wait for the RT-68U, and 3x3:3 mPCIes

Temps are awful if the Sagers come out the same... definitely going to wait to hear about wingnut's experience before even thinking about buying...

@Mythlogic: I'm ~30m from, but I'm in the same boat with wingnut, your prices are a bit higher and even with a 3% cash discount that 6% sales tax hit + original difference work out to be a fair amt. Only benefit is that I could probably arrange to drive out and pick it up when it was finished testing...

 

Since they don't offer the 180GB Intel 525 mSata option, I was thinking about purchasing this seperate and installing on my own. How hard is it to install mSata on this machine? Do you see any negatives to doing it on my own?

 

Sounds like you know what to tell the suits

 

This doesn't look like gaming to me:

 

One looks like the notebook is crushing the guys hand for missing payments, in the other it's warping space time as a warning

 

You can probably call or chat with a rep and ask for it that way.

 

The default for the Chaos 1313 (W230ST) is a Crucial m4 128GB mSATA in the configurator that I see.
Hard Drive is None (REQUIRES mSATA for Bootable Drive)

 

If you select RAID0 it says "Striped set, improved performance, additional storage drive highly recommended." Why is that---in case the RAID0 get borked?

 

Alrighty, so I'm going from i7-2720QM and AMD 6970... Which do you guys think I should be getting for this new bad boi? i7-4700QM ok? Or 4800? Definitely don't want the 4702 that everyone's been talking about, cuz I'm too noob to deal with the power issues, configs, bios, etc. Please advise?

 

Been quite a while since I have been on the forum. Back in late 2010 I bought a Sager NP7280 (12GB Ram, 980X, 2x Intel X25-m 160's in Raid 0, and 750GB HD)

Been pretty happy with this machine. It's my 2nd Sager. The first one I bought in 2008. It was a NP9260 (Don't remember all the specs, but it was a Quad 2.3Ghz, 4 GB Ram)

So now after beating the NP7280 pretty hard for almost 3 years, I finally have my first OS crash where I need to re-install Windows. Thinking I may have an issue with one of the Intel SSDs.

So, I take a peek at XoticPC's web page and come across the NP7330 and now I'm pondering replacing my NP7280 & Asus Zenbook 13.3" with this new NP7330.

For the last 2-3 years I have been maintaining one large desktop replacement for software development and a much smaller machine for doing e Mail and billing tasks. It's also nice to just pick up the smaller laptop and take it with me when I don't need to do serious development work. I really like the idea of having just ONE laptop to do all the tasks.

I mostly just push the NP7280 when I'm compiling code. Just not sure if going back to just a Quad from a Hex core will be worth it.

Just wondering what others think about down grading to a more portable machine?

 

What are the advantages of ordering from Sager directly vs. resellers, other than customization?

I also need full accidental damage coverage. Does anyone offer it?

 

I am too noob for that stuff as well. But as I understood it, the option for noobs who want a cooler running system was the 4702, as this would'nt need under volting and so on, like the 4700 or 4800 with the power issues, configs, bios, etc. I could have misunderstood, though...

 

Resellers manage all your pre-sales, after-sales, and warranty issues, and they deal directly with Sager for you. Sager isn't exactly an end consumer oriented business and users have not had the best experiences dealing with Sager directly. With resellers you get a consistent human contact to ask questions and get issues resolved.

RJTech offers new leaf service pro accidental with the machine, or you can just buy your own from new leaf service pro or other places like squaretrade. Squaretrade offers a two year service plan with accidental for $225, three year with accidental for $299.

 

So after reading this thread: http://forum.notebookreview.com/har...0-i7-4700mq-47-watt-vs-i7-4702mq-37-watt.html, it seems like it'd be fine to just get the 4700QM because either there's not a significant improvement in batterylife/power savings, and also because there's supposedly more "flexibility" with the 4700QM's higher wattage? Not sure what this means in "real-world" terms, but I guess for the sake of simplicity and saving $$$, I'll just get the 4700 or 4800 haha.

 

If you don't want to "fiddle" get the 4702MQ. It will run cooler out of the gate, apparently. But if you want flexibility to adjust speed and give you faster when you need it (and more heat) then get a 4700 or 4800. To be honest if you're considering the 4700, get the 4702 instead if pricing is similar.

The big question is still what XTU options are available?

 

Hmm, but but but, the 4702QM has a lower clockspeed And it costs a bit more, right? Plus, Xoticpc doesn't have it available on their page---what do what do?

 

What to do? Wait to see if it becomes available or order one and install it yourself and sell the 4700. Or order a laptop from mythlogic. Or just use the 4700MQ.

 

Lol, I was just looking at Mythologic's page. Not sure why, but it's a bit more pricey than Xotipc (after making all things equal/close to stock). I think you might be onto something re: the 4702 though

 

When does yours arrive, Wingnut?

 

So for the guys here who are pro 4700 over 4702, it appears the 4702 is about 10 degrees cooler than the 4700.
What settings in XTU would you need to adjust to have the 4700 match the 4702 as far as heat is concerned?

 

With any luck Tuesday.

Undervolt.

 

I don't care if it runs hot as long as it doesn't throttle. Did LightningPL report any throttling while he was using his.

 

Aw dangit, the UK might be getting the short end of the stick here. Had two major builders (maybe that's the key bit? Any US builders getting stock atm?) say mid August or possibly later. Any thoughts on why Clevo are doing this? Maybe it's expected to be overly popular so they're doing a staggered launch?

 

Its all when you place your orders, and when parts are ready.. Maybe the EN International keyboards were late, or maybe they just put their orders in behind other major buyers. Remember Clevo builds orders as they get them

 

I haven't heard a peep from either of them. Mid August? It's only mid July

 

Yes. RAID0 has no data redundancy, data split between disks. You lose one disk, you lose the array, your data is borked. Doesn't everyone recommend doing backups? I'm sure they would like to sell you that backup drive too.

 

Really, more pricey? To try to get them equal, you have to change the default drive on Mythlogic. remove the m4 mSATA and add 750GB hard drive instead. Add Icy Diamond, monitor calibration, Intel 7260AC and Windows 7 on Xotic to compare apples to apples. Unless Mythlogic's price in the configurator is already 3% discounted it comes in less expensive than the regular price on Xotic. *Configurator pricing only*

 

Regardless of what array you have gone for you are stuffed if the machine is stolen or destroyed so an external backup is always recommended.