W230ST - The 13" We've been waiting for!?

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Shame they did not take pictures from more angles :s They focused on the others sadly.

 

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Yeah, those have been seen (buried somewhere) but nothing from the back or bottom side.

 

pretty cool how they cram at least 4 usb ports into that 13 inch chassis

 

Well it's built into the chipset....

 

They put all the ports on the right side with vent on the left? So all the cables will be in the way of the mouse? I hate that. It looks like they didn't put vent in back because the lid flips open and covers the back of the laptop. Not a smart move IMHO. I'm getting mixed feelings about this machine now.

 

Aww man, I really hope there are back vents. My friends w110er overheats a lot (and my m11x too so I want a cooler solution) Otherwise I'll stick with the g46vw refresh.

 

W110ER shouldn't overheat. Something is wrong. Propping it up a little in the back ends up in reduced temps. Plus a good repaste as well. With stock clocks CPU should never exceed 85C.

 

Yep... this is me...

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That is bad design putting those ports to the right

 

Also, unless there is a vent in the back, that means a single fan, which means 765m is likely just a 128-bit GPU.

 

It wont bother me one bit as I use the best mouse on the planet for gaming, the Logitech G700 wireless/wires gaming mouse. The wireless is just as responsive as it being in its wired mode so it fits the needs of both. As far as the ports go it does have the one USB on the left side so at least you can still connect one USB device up to it and not get into you wired mouse guys way. Maybee theres a few more ports on the back?

Most 14 inch laptops have fans that are on there left side, my 14 inch Y460 does as well. Im homosexual also so the picture is a bit creepy for me as well, just sayin

 

Where did you read that this notebook will have the 765m? I'm pretty sure the source from a few pages back said that this will have the 760m and a 15" model will be getting the 765m.

 

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A double bonaire would be nice, 256bit, 32 rops, 1792 shaders

 

The W230ST seems like what I was looking for. Sold my W110ER as it was just too small and didn't live up to my expectations. I would however like a more powerful GPU than the GT650M range in this one.

 

wow, 40% more shaders? that would be an unexpected performance jump.

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Well we don't know yet, they could choose another odd number of shader blocks but it would be very nice

 

what would be very nice is if they ut the 8870m in this notebook, same tdp as the 650m, miles ahead of it in power, I really dont know why AMD didnt win more designs with that gpu last year

 

Well the driver problems did not help and nvidia has long standing agreements with companies and better profile with consumers.

 

Oh golly, if only this had an expresscard 3.0 slot it would be an instant buy.
Sadly knowing Clevo it won't have one at all.

 

ExpressCards are a dying technology. Usually only found in business class laptops. And with USB 3.0 it's quickly becoming defunct.

 

It's true to a degree, but ExpressCard allows the use of an external graphics card, thus letting you use many monitors and getting a huge performance boost. Such a thing is not possible, but yes you are right they are usually only in business class laptops.

USB3 is much higher level and still much slower than ExpressCard 3.0

Hopefully we should see thunderbolt being more popular with it hopefully being integrated into Haswell, but I still don't see it appearing anytime soon.

 

what you dont see appearing anytime soon? thunderbolt equipped devices that can hold gpus? there are some:

CUBE

mLogic mLink

OWC Mercury

Sonnet Echo Express

Magma Express Box 3t

the most affordable high end solution is the CUBE, the most affordable "adequate" gaming solutions are the mLink, helios and the echo express SE, the last ones coupled with a GT 650 should give you plenty of horsepower

One thing that people forget is that the mobile chipsets from intel support 8x pcie 2.0, while the cpu itself support 16x pcie 3.0, and when you do thunderbolt it eats x4 of that. Great gaming solutions will appear with thunderbolt 2.0, where hopefully they fix that pcie support fiasco

Now if you only want several monitors, the mLink, helios and the echo express SE, the last ones coupled with a GT 650 should give you plenty of horsepower. that should be around 400 Since those enclosures can be found for 300

Yeah the drivers were so poor that I still cant believe that on that regard they'd win any design at all.

 

I meant Thunderbolt laptops.
Currently thunderbolt is PCIE 2.0 2x link, and it has the same bandwidth as expresscard with PCIe 3.0.

I know you can get thunderbolt - pcie enclosures, but I think I can count the current released Windows laptops with Thunderbolt on one or two hands.

I currently have a 650Ti running over PCIE 1x 2.0 Expresscard and that has great performance, a fair bit faster on an external monitor than the overclocked 650M on my W150ER.
Unless the GPU in the W230ST is better than this (so it will have to be a 670MX rebrand) then I would like a way to use my eGPU, and if it doesn't have thunderbolt (the pictures of the W230ST do not show a thunderbolt connector) then it will have no connectivity that way.

And even if the W230ST does have TB, I doubt it will be version 2.

 

it wont have tb 2, that thing is not stated for this year, rather the next one

and yes I know about egpus

 

Well I at least hope it has TB1.
To be honest I'll probably end up getting one anyway even if it doesn't have thunderbolt at all.
The combination of specs is just too good to miss.

 

Expresscard really wasn't meant to be used for external GPU's, but hey it works. Thunderbolt will be the next saving grace for that niche market, although it's gained slow adoption. I was just meaning for any peripheral devices instead of ExpressCard most can work perfectly fine using USB..

 

Why all of you are so sure it'll be an nvidia solution?
8870m has the right TDP to fit in that chasis with relative ease.

 

Id rather have a AMD chip, keep the price down.

The consoles figured this out, both the new PS4 and new Xbox will be releasing with AMD chips.

 

If it has Enduro then it will be an instant no-buy from me. Optimus is not perfect but it is a lot better than Enduro, and the last thing we want is to go back to some propitiatory system.

 

The sources that initially leaked this model also said it would have an nvidia GPU.

 

um, both optimus and enduro are proprietary software systems based on the same identical hardware

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I meant manufacturer proprietary ie setups where you can only use the drivers provided by them unlike optimus where you can download the drivers straight from NVidia, which I think is a signification difference (I wouldn't want to have to wait for clevo to update the drivers after a AMD/NV update comes out.

 

errr... enduro is an opt out program.

 

Hmm, no mention of the 760m in the nvidia announcement. Hopefully that means that the 760m is going to be different from the lower end 384 shader 7xx parts. Maybe a 768 shader cut down gk106 like the desktop 650?

 

In lines with the nVidia announcement, the Maximum PC article, the word from nVidia is that the 700 series will see a 30% performance increase "on average".

Nvidia Gives Mobile Graphics a Boost with GeForce 700M GPU Line | Maximum PC

If true, and using a 760m, then this sounds pretty enticing.

 

I think they're giving their GPU boost 2.0 a bit too much credit.
Upped clocks and a few software tweaks hardly sound like a 30% increase in performance.
I honestly hope I'm mistaken but it sounds like an exaggeration.

 

as is usually the case with manufacturer provided performance data

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Which is why the caveat "on average" was most likely used.

 

The performance will depend on the cooling of the system, much like their desktop counterparts.

 

Well if this machine truly is 760m then 2GB vRAM must wrong. Perhaps it's 1.5GB or 3GB because some early rumors are showing 760m as a rebranded 670mx which I would be perfectly fine with.

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 760M | techPowerUp GPU Database

GeForce GTX 760M PC Gaming Graphics Card Hardware For Game System Requirements
(don't know much about this site's credibility though)

 

I really do hope it's the 760m/670mx rebrand because the 750m looks like little to no upgrade over the overclocked 650m I'm currently using.

 

After checking (parts) of this thread and the whirlpool thread, i can't see why is everyone assuming/hoping for a 760M ? Havnt seen any hints supporting this rumour and looking at the current notebooks, it seems everything better than i7QM+640M is barely coolable in this form factor.

 

It's a bit optimistic, but if Clevo can fit a 650M + 45W QM in a 11.6, hopefully they can fit something a bit better in a 13.3.

 

I'm only a few months late re-reading this thread lol.....

yes I know exactly what you mean, I too prefer higher resolution for multitasking, and naturally would go to the desktop and sit down at the 24" 1080 screen for any real work/research,

I barely use my Clevo for anything other than gaming and convenience, although this will change soon as I plan on selling the desktop to put more money in to a more powerful sub 15" notebook - I'm just waiting for Intel, Nvidia & Clevo to release the next gen hardware (hopefully in the next few months)

- I will carefully be thinking about stepping up to the 15" category if the performance is not much higher than the W110ER , but portability (not battery life) is more important to me hence I think sub 15" is for me - If I can get the performance I need

The W110 was an absolute no brainer for my needs, ordered one soon as I saw it - not been disappointed at all - other than the ugly chipset block - which as you know, I've replaced completely for one off's as per my thread - soon to be more than one of in the coming weeks/months! - plug :thumbsup:

 

It could be a 192bit part with 2gb vram. Just look at the desktop gtx 660.

 

I googled a bit more trying to find some infos about the Clevo W230ST and stumbled upon this CeBIT 2013: Schenker zeigt neue Clevo Gaming-Notebooks mit 4. Generation Intel Core Prozessoren und Nvidia Geforce GTX Grafik article update from March7. (german source)
Clevo is not talking about a "GTX" anymore, but about a 45W TDP graphics chip. Thats probably a 750M GT, because the current 660M/670M are rumoured to have 75W TDP.

 

It came up a while back by BLUEMOBILITY: http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/705795-w230st-13-weve-been-waiting-12.html#post9121315

660m can't be 75W TDP considering it's basically a 650m with GDDR5. 670mx is 75W TDP on paper, but that doesn't mean it can't improve on thermals and get it down 10-12W more.