W230ST - The 13" We've been waiting for!?

670MX is GK107, not GK106

There may be some efficiency gains from that.

 

Thanks for the info, that has been along the parts of the thread i havnt seen . Still not convined it will really get a 760M, but not mad anymore that i just missed the last buyable U2442F in germany .

 

I don't think they'll risk the tiny chassis with even 60W TDP.
They'll go for something with up to 45W TDP which might be 750m (660m rebrand) or one of the Radeon 88xx family (8830/8850m probably, maybe 8870m)
I doubt they'll put a GTX in it, most of you are impractically optimistic

 

What? They already have an 11.6" chassis with 45W CPU + 45W GPU. Why is it "impractically optimistic" to manage another 15-20W TDP when you've likely got an additional 20%+ volume for cooling? Easily add fatter heatpipes, more copper, and larger fan.

 

Cost and weight need to be factored in though, it may be similar specs to the 11 inch just with the larger screen.

 

Since when has Clevo cared about weight? And you're talking $100 between 660m and 670mx.

I guess it's all useless speculation though, since none of us have a clue, well unless some of us do, just can't say... ahem!

 

Cost of the heatsink and $100 onto a BOM is not small.

 

It might be just me but they're already using 740m in their w650eh 15" ultranote, it seems sorta reasonable to stick the same card in the 13" as well...

 

I'm just saying. Compare W350ETQ (660m) with P151EM (670MX). Cost is $110 difference if both have i7-3630QM ($1009 vs $1119). I know it's not an exact apples to apples comparison but close enough.

 

At the moment I am ok with being impractically optimistic! I definitely have my eye on this notebook, and I was considering a W110ER for my wife until I read this thread. I am optimistic mainly because it has been reported that this will replace the W110ER. Larry for LPC already said that he predicts that this will be a top seller, and I don't doubt it either. I think Sager/Clevo both have a pretty good idea of who their target audience is and what they want. Although I am new to the brand, I just have a hard time believing that they will cut a corner with this machine. I know that the market is becoming saturated with portable, cool, long battery life ultrabooks, but I don't think this notebook (the replacement to the W110ER) falls into that category. I'll admit that my "arguments" aren't based on anything really and are just outside speculation, but I do feel pretty optimistic about this machine and it's unknown GPU...

 

Even if it were just a W110ER in a 13" package but with 1080p screen and GDDR5 vRAM it would be a pretty potent package. I would just find it odd that Clevo wouldn't take advantage of the extra volume to offer a faster GPU. Problem is I'm not sure that the 670mx (or likely 760m) would work as an embedded chip, but who knows. I guess technically it could, whether it's on a separate PCB or integrated in a single mobo I guess it wouldn't matter, right? I dunno, maybe I am being overly optimistic.

This will absolutely be a top seller. I love my W110ER but the small screen size just makes it impractical for me for any kind of lengthy sessions. To be honest I'd almost want a 1600x900 screen instead of 1080p, but as long as it's NOT 1366x768 and of decent quality I'll take it. Only a couple more months before we should hear for certain about it.

 

It's a bit sad if this will replace the W110ER, for me having a 15 inch and a 11 make sense, but a 15 and a 13, I would just go with the 13 inch and skip the 15 altogether, which is a loss for Clevo. At least the M11X got three generations, W110ER only one, I think it's a bad decision to stop the W110ER.

 

as far as ive understood, theyre not stopping the W110ER, just that it wont be refreshed this year. so maybe next year there will be an updated revision of the 11" goodness

btw htwingnut: thanks for maxing out my rep bars

 

^That sounds better, we need 11 inch gaming laptops. BTW your rep's is growing fast, Clevo should hire you since you find all the hidden potential in their laptops!

 

Yes embedding higher end chips is very expensive, you have to add layers to the entire motherboard and worry about higher density and speed GDDR5 lines and heavier duty power circuitry. Not fun.

1080P and GDDR5 version of the 11 inch I think is the most likely.

Unless we get a 128bit GDDR5 version of the GK106 with a few units disabled.

 

haha, unfortunately ill be already all tied up with my PhD the next three years besides, im just building on previously posted knowledge here on NBR

 

Its cool to see some people on here get recognised but with my wife almost 2 years into hers I know how hard those phds are! Worth it though.

 

Makes me think that the desktop gtx650/ti is much more likely IMO, especially at 45w.

 

Sorry, I didn't mean to cause a panic over the W110ER. I had read that it wont be refreshed too. But that is what also leads me to be optimistic. Cleve/Sager tend to market each model based exclusively on its GPU. Notice how each model incrementally increases in GPU power. So the question really is where does this model fit? If it is to follow the W110ER it should logically fit the same mold/power profile. Also have others have pointed out the increased frame size should only lend to the possibility of higher output. Besides aren't the new lines of CPUs and GPUs supposed to be slightly more power efficient?

Maybe we are foolish to debate, or guess about this, but it is an exciting prospect of a machine. Besides, ill probably buy it regardless of its GPU, unless it is a major disappointment. But that just doesn't seem likely does it?

 

well not really, you are obviously discounting on the w150 and w170 series, those have the same gpu.

still it does make sense that they put a more powerful gpu in the 13 than in the 11, its simple there is more space. And we do have some tiers, basically between the series not the size itself

 

That is the GK106

 

The w110er is a pretty chunky little unit, isn't it? If the w230st is thinner, the internal volume and overall TDP may be very similar, right?

 

It's less than 1.5" at its thickest point. Definitely not an ultrabook, but it's not overly thick. I don't know why the 13" would be any thinner. Clevo prioritizes cooling and performance over size and weight.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/notebook-news-reviews/714255-nvidia-geforce-700m-series-graphics-first-look-discussion.html

According to a few replies with benchmarks it seems that 750m is somewhat better than 660m.
It might actually be a really good non-gtx card for the w230st.

 

Where did you see benchmarks? I didn't see any?

750m says "up to 967MHz". Current DDR3 version is 835MHz and GDDR5 version is 745MHz. If they offer 967MHz and GDDR5 2400MHz then it will be a reputable beast.

 

Well the 660M is 835mhz with GDDR5 so it's basically a 660M with boost.

 

Well then, it's definitely equipped with GDDR5.

My stock 6970M scores a GPU of 2960, just for comparison.

 

That does look pretty sharp for the 750M, but looks like Meaker called it... a 660M with boost.

 

that is pretty sick, coupled with a (realistically feasible) 20% OC ud get urself a 6990M/580M/675M in a 13" laptop

 

I think that those benchmarks were taken with the GPU boost 2.0
The overclocking works a tad differently now, instead of setting the clocks and testing it just lets you change the max temperature and the card overclocks by itself
up to the thermal peak you defined (or the maximum frequencies allowed).
You probably can't overclock the card anymore (And have no need to do so).

Overall it's probably the same card as the 660m but with a slightly improved software.

 

Oh you likely can with the BIOS and frequencies can still be changed, it is just there are more sliders (see the titan).

 

either way I am excited, as it is a big upgrade over the 335m in my m11x R2

 

Hey Guys,

You can see the pictures of the Clevo W230ST (picture 13 - 19) and P375SM (picture 1 - 12) on below link:

Gallerie für CeBIT 2013: Schenker zeigt neue Clevo Gaming-Notebooks mit 4. Generation Intel Core Prozessoren und Nvidia Geforce GTX Grafik

FYI, these pictures were shot at the CeBit 2013 in Germany at Schenker's booth. So far I know, Schenker is a online dealer in Germany for Clevo products.

Personally, I like the look and features of the W230ST a lot and think/hope that this will be their hero product for Haswell CPU laptops.

Ironically, the distributor in Taiwan is not going to sell it, but I am sure that you can get it in Europe and in the US.

Cheers!

 

I can reach P3200 3DMark 11 with my 650m with overclock, but if it's P3000 stock then that is decent. Just depends on if the W230ST really comes with a 750m or not.

If it runs as cool as the other Kepler parts and does offer a substantial overclock then we could easily have P3500+ scores on our hands. Wonder how well it manages 1080p though?

Hopefully nVidia Inspector or MSI Afterburner will be revised to overclock these cards.

 

Just read this in the NVIDIA Releases New GeForce GT 700M Mobile GPUs thread in the gaming GPU forum. It does appear that these cards are really slightly enhanced 6X0M cards with built in OC capabilities. I suppose I wouldn't mind the GPU regulating it's clocks based on temps. That of course depends on the cooling capabilities of the W230ST, but I am pretty optimistic Clevo will design it with cooling in mind. My OCed GTX 660M never goes over 64° C , so they are pretty efficient cards. The only real question I have is how high will it push itself under dangerous temps and at what point (temp) does it throttle itself? Cause we all know every system and even every GPU is different and has different tolerances. So will all 700M series GPUs offer a consistent max power output? Or will the variables dictate overall performance?

 

The nice things is that having extra cooling headroom will let you get more out of these chips.

 

Nice. Yeah 650m/660m run quite cool so hopefully that means decent overclocks with stock voltage.

And Meaker... notice something in this image? lol

Spoiler

 

53°C seems pretty cool while Boost is active. This is starting to look like a pretty decent upgrade for a kelper chip.

 

You missed the time it went right through into the second page *cough*

Boost will depend on the game and power of course, you wont get max boost in crysis 3 for instance.

 

Bro what about the quality & durability of this brand CLEVO is it superb? i'm eyeing this model of ultra light gaming notebook, But im worried about warranty issues since im reside outdise US & Canada, do they have installment plans for this? by the way can you provide me the prototype picture of W230ST? thanks

 

Many other countries have their own resellers.

 

I want one, was looking for one in this size on xoticpc.

 

Not available until about June.

 

I'm getting impatient now... me likey, me want... BRING IT! (Clevo, I wouldn't mind a preview sample... purty plz! )

 

Same here, also need to see one with the screen turned on to see it in all it's glory!

 

@Clevo: listen to wingnut,send him a sample and let him review the crap out of it!

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they probably have got a preview models. just testing them to see which is viable via the 760m or 750m in terms of cost and sufficiency and mark up profit. they could sell it either way with the 760m but it could be just out of the sweet spot but looking at the np6350 and np6110 prices. i would be inclined to agree it will sell for $999 base model with i5.
id expect early may to no something officially. i cant wait. im using a 13" e320 and i love the size as its quite mobile. not too big but also not too small like the 11" where it can be quite awkward in some games.
but the 750m sounds very good. ill be quite happy with that if its gddr5. sublime step up from the amd 6630m

 

To be honest i would be dissapointed with a 750m in the 13". I mean Clevo is all about pushing the envelope, making the fastest and most customizable notebooks. Yet the Lenovo Y400 has the ability to put the 650m and 750m in SLI.

Yes its a bit bigger than the Clevo will be but its a normal company like HP, Sony, etc. They always make stuff that is on the "safe side". I expect atleast a 760M ( NVIDIA GeForce GTX 760M | techPowerUp GPU Database) from clevo... Having 2 cards in SLI will cost more power than 1 of those.

Also when u overclock the 650m in the W110er with an OV bios the power draw goes way up and it still handles it like a champ so it should be doable for sure!

 

The specs on this are looking mighty juicy. Might have to splurge on one. My Y570 has been good to me, but it has also been a pain in the butt.