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    Wishes and Expectations for Clevo [2017 Edition]

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by darkarn, Nov 23, 2016.

  1. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    Yes but would people actually buy it this time? :p
     
  2. ghegde

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    i dont think so :p

    but why isnt clevo trying ryzen is beyond me. If nothing else ryzen laptops would be cheaper than intels
     
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    That has been explained already :p
     
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  4. ole!!!

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    for sure! what we need is a high spec laptop which clevo just doesnt have to be afraid and back down from MSI/ASUS/ACER. one high end laptop that overtakes all those others!
     
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  5. zdroj

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    I second the motion!
     
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  6. darkarn

    darkarn Notebook Evangelist

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    We need Clevo to be brave!

    (But not as brave as Apple though ;) )
     
  7. Support.2@XOTIC PC

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    Apple should have gone mag connect with everything. That's honestly the only thing they have done that I like and if that had got more traction in mobile devices I would have been pretty happy.
     
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    You really to do some crazy things to push 10 core and 20 threads. I can barely push my 6900K to 40%. I OCed it to 3.8 Ghz on air and left it there. I could install the water cooling system and push it to 4.3 , but I simply don't have the time for that.
     
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    That is funny soldering the mainstream dies onto the the high end package and just clocking them.
     
  12. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    7740K comes in an LGA2066 package...KM1 is LGA1151
     
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  13. ole!!!

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    wont be hot at all, TDP is just a value. the chip itself is no different from 7700k except it has soldered IHS and no iGP so if anything, with similar silicon quality, it should run cooler than 7700k.
     
  14. Georgel

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    Well then, let's hope that it will come in a price tangible to humans, I would fancy one for rendering purposes!
     
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    I don't expect the price to be all that different, it's a 7700K die soldered onto a different package with a soldered IHS with the TDP and clocks already raised a little bit.
     
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    Oops my bad, by the way both the skylake X and Kabylake X are using the same socket LGA2066, is there a chance that clevo would release a socket LGA2066 laptop? How difficult would it be to cool the likes of Intel Core i9-7800X or Intel Core i9-7820X both of w/c having 140 TDP W.
     
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  17. ole!!!

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    thats exactly what we have been hoping for brother.
    we need a laptop with LGA2066 so it can fit a range from 4 cores CPU all the way to 12 cores, rather than the wimpy coffeelake.
     
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    Realistically what model of i9 would be possible on a KM1 type chassis if clevo would not do any re-design on their next flagship laptop? For me as long as the processor is around 500$, then definitely a buy! I can't imagine how could a laptop would cool a 10/12 core processor :(
     
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    i personally would say its impossible, rather to not have to change chassis would be very difficult. because lga2066 is bigger socket motheboard would have to be changed, same with CPU heatsink which in KM1 its tied to GPU heatsink so that goes with it too, i think the whole thing would have to be replaced.

    not to mention if they do make a mobo with LGA2066 for 4 core using current heatsink, the heatsink would not be able to cool off 6c+ which is kinda pointless.

    clevo would need to make a new machine that is similar to p570wm, which is what we're hoping for, to allow 6c+ up to 12c variants skylakex in it and capable of cooling it off, minimum with 4 big fans, along with the latest hardware and chipset.
     
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    The chassis would need to be different. Think a cooling system like the one in the np9570/p570wm.
     
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    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    sicily428 Donuts!! :)

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    I hope that Clevo releases P955hq1 with quadro p3000 and also p950hp3
     
  24. ghegde

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    ryzen plz
     
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    None of them will happen. Here I am waiting for 2K/4K displays on all their laptops.
     
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    sicily428 Donuts!! :)

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    ffs thanks Prema crushing our dream

    well then, i know for sure whats coming up from clevo, coffeelake 6c.. i am hoping they would make a brand new machine for it. currently p870km1 cpu heatsink just isnt enough to cool it, especially with only 1 fan.
     
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    That depends on the thickness really as to what one fan can manage.
     
  29. ole!!!

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    well yes but i dont see why they would make fan any thicker. they'll likely just use the current fans they've got without having to invest more into it, simply use 2 instead of 1 fan, assuming its a new heatsink and new laptop all together.
     
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    Link?
     
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    Even with the high temps of 7700k, the cooling is fine in P870KM1.

    Sent from my ASUS_Z016D using Tapatalk
     
  32. Papusan

    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    First... You won't find any sources!!
    Second... Next mainstream Core i7 will be 6c/12t :oops: Heck even 45W BGA :eek:
     
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    I wish that G-sync module will be the standard on laptop screens (75hz, 100hz, 120hz, no matter)
     
  34. Meaker@Sager

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    Designing a new chassis is a lot harder than just tweaking an existing design, even if you look to re-use old parts in the new design.
     
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    darkarn Notebook Evangelist

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    Hate to be that guy, but crushing dreams is very different from stating the truth upfront
     
  36. ole!!!

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    clevo prob hasn't made one yet because the CPU wont be out until september. but knowing clevo has been putting 4790K, 5775C, 6700K and 7700K mainstream CPU into laptops, the next mainstream CPU from intel is 8700K which is 6c/12t.

    we can most likely expect clevo to put it in, just that current laptop socket might be compatible but not capable of cooling it as it does have 2 more cores, well, if we choose to run it at 5ghz.


    i wanna do at least 5ghz 6 cores :(
     
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    Please bear in mind my comments on this thread http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-p955hq1-with-p3000.803086/ regarding this specific topic, and my reply:

    I can't emphasise quite how much trouble any company who has a direct partnership with Clevo and signed NDAs would be in if they had put details of that system up, it's not accurate.
     
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  38. ole!!!

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    x299? if under NDA simply say under NDA :)
     
  39. TBoneSan

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    Lol. That's plausible deniability done right :D
     
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    Part of an NDA is usually you can't talk about being under an NDA or not so no one would admit to being under one either :p
     
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    I would admit to being under NDA, in fact I'm always under lots of NDAs :)

    But I can say I'm under Intel NDA or under Clevo NDA without saying that I'm under specific technology. I will state my name and rank, answer to all other questions are "no comment" ;-)
     
  42. ole!!!

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    it was worth a try :D
     
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    You're not the first and wont be the last to suggest it :p
     
  44. Matthias112

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    I hope Clevo will reduce price in new Laptops since it is quite a lot for the Laptop you have to pay nowadays.
     
  45. zdroj

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    A vain hope, to be sure, Matthias112. Look at the Pedator 21X, albeit by Acer (not Clevo), but the attitude is the same: You gotta pay if you wanna play with the big boyz!
     
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    yea. well i'd say they would make quite a lot more sales by going socket hardware and lower the cost by at least 1k, even then they would still make money from more sales and more people like us would jump in due to socket hardware.
     
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    tbh im really interested in having a 8c/16t or 10c/20t skylake-x in laptop. ryzen doesn't interest me cause ipc and clock difference its still slower than skylake
     
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    Hmmm...if a 16/32 Ryzen comes close to a 12/24 Skylake-X, then I would consider it. For all I know, it might even beat it. Either way is fine with me, really, as long as it significantly outperforms my 12/24 Xeon v2 (if i can get it up and running again, when I get a few spare minutes).

    I have never been a fanboy of any manufacturer. Give me the most bang for my buck (within the parameters I establish), and you'll get my hard-earned $$.

    I just hope this isn't all wishful thinking, however. Someone needs to step-up to the plate and make putting one of both of these CPUs in laptops a reality.
     
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    i'd agree in multitreaded ryzen 16c would beat intel's 12c, just that intel's 12c will prob run much cooler and can be clocked higher, that would cover the difference in multi threaded performance.
     
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