Wishes and Expectations for Clevo [2017 Edition]

This is somewhat of a good news https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/05/18/nvidia-corporation-sheds-light-on-gaming-notebook.aspx. Better success can make NVIDIA explore more possibility in Laptop GPU market.

Only hoping that the "TI" version of their flagship card will also be available in laptops and off course try to have a little bit better pricing! They can leave the TITAN exclusive to the desktop.

 

The market as a whole is looking pretty healthy, I agree a drive with Nvidia to get current dual GPU setups supporting a single large chip card would be great option for people, plus compared to dual top end costs it should not be out there in pricing if Nvidia pitched in.

 

T minus 4 days till start of computex, we can only pray to see if clevo has something new for us.. or msi can come up with something new too that has all socket cpu/gpu.. time will tell

 

Intel decided to make TB3 royalty-free next year!

 

Lower costs and integration going forward would help a lot

 

ewww intel milk to the max

 

And this is why we buy Ryzen.

 

This is intel lol.

 

Clevo should fit a 17" panel into a p650 chassis by shrinking the bezel like the Aero 15.

 

yep, id be all for that, thinner bezels FTW! that, however, should NOT restrict/downgrade the hardware options for 17 inchers and/or 15 inchers!

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That's one of the things I realised on today's laptops. My ancient M570TU (for which I managed to source a brand new chassis for 35 euro) , has very thin bezels. Most of today's laptops come with really thick bezels.
The only 17 inch laptop with thin bezels that I know of is the GS73. The only reason that I am holding off the GS73 is the "everything soldered" thing. I always want to change my laptops after 2-3 years but I end up using them for a lot longer. But throwing 2500 euro at a laptop that I don't expect to last more than 5 years is painful.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/_processed_/csm_nexoc_osiris_e705_gesamt2_02_c34f1f2089.jpg

 

Today's machines are cooling far more and have more in so by having larger bezels you can make the base which matches that bigger and fit more in. Then you have rigidity to think about, this is not a desktop panel which is not moved around much, it has to go into bags, act as a table etc.

 

For some laptops it's true. But the GTX 1060 is 80W, the 280M back in the day was 75W. The QX9300 was 45W, the 7700HQ is 45W. Yet only the Aero 15 managed to get that bezeless design. For 17 inch you get horrid looking machines like the Acer Nitro. Clevo is ok, but I would say the N line could have been better in terms of design.

 

The base of the current 15.6" P650 already can cool a 1070. If you shrink the bezels and put a larger panel, cooling is unaffected.

Bruno

 

Another interesting update: http://www.pcworld.com/article/3198...1080-graphics-in-a-thin-and-light-laptop.html

 

COMPUTEX 2017 | First Ryzen laptop is Asus's ROG Strix G702ZC
https://www.notebookcheck.net/First-Ryzen-laptop-is-Asus-s-ROG-Strix-G702ZC.224692.0.html

Asus has unveiled the world's first Ryzen-powered notebook, the ROG Strix G702ZC. The laptop is 17.3-inches, supports FreeSync 2.0, and is powered by a Ryzen 7 1700 8-core CPU and a Radeon RX580 GPU.

 

https://mybroadband.co.za/news/hard...rful-new-gaming-laptops-at-computex-2017.html

"MSI’s GS73VR boasts an HDR-enabled 120Hz display with a 5ms response time"

"MSI GT75VR Titan The device boasts a 120Hz display with HDR support, and support for MSI’s True Colour Technolog"

"MSI GE63VR/GE73VR Raider high-end features include a 120Hz HDR-compatible panel with 3ms response time"

Please Clevo!

 

Yes you certainly could, you will have to increase the price though to account for the materials needed to strengthen the lid.

 

What's the update now with clevo @ computex? Any showcase?

 

I hope Clevo is using the new type of GPU that I was showing earlier!

Maybe that will quell some of the BGA vs LGA tensions here...

 

Finally, a step in the right direction. If this is any indication, the market is about to bust wide open with desktop CPU laptops. Wise-up, Clevo - you ain't the only game in town anymore!

 

@Papusan all the listed above MSI's new model in quote, all their heatsink are shared LMAO look at that soldered together giant piece of metal. remove it once and it'll never cool the same way rofl.

@cj_miranda23 clevo be the one of the only remaining to step up. if nothing comes from clevo this yr and forced to go for coffeelake 6C and inadequate/mediocre cooling, then i'll be moving to desktop for good. intel's 12-16c unlocked is too hard to resist, along with HHHL or U2 optane SSDs which wont fit into laptops.

 

@ole!!! you should wait up to next year because I think we will not get any substantial improvement this year on the gpu side unless nvidia release TI on laptops. Base on the release of the Q version of pascal, it only shows the intention of NVIDIA to milk the the hell out of pascal architecture this year to get more revenue and since there is no competition right now. If you saw the amd press event this computex 2017, they didn't show any number in terms of performance maybe because vega is still not on par with pascal.

 

honestly id be fine with a P870DM focused on CPU....use a weaker single gpu (1060 ?) and spend all the cooling budget on the cpu (x299 or x399).

 

thats what we have been wanting mate. though i wouldnt mind getting 1080 SLI, our priorities however are on the CPU i could do SOOOO much more with 8c+ CPU.

 

yep, perfect laptop for work even with igpu, but leave the cpu socketed and use all available space for cooling (that means discard sata for m.2 only)

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The market for such a CPU heavy machine is so limited however... As fun as it would be, you do need to make a machine that actually sells

Make the chassis thicker and put in an x299 socket and fully vapor chamber across the entire machine. That way thermals are still better if you only put one GPU in it. Then you can appeal to a wider market.

 

mentioned it times and times again though, skylake-x range from 4c, if people dont want much cpu power, they can go for 4c, the choice is there, but clevo isnt even giving us that choice to begin with.

 

Even this would be great, i mean id rather have an X299 or X399 and one good gpu vs a 4 core with dual gpu's since half the games i play dont support SLI anyway.

 

^This , It is crazy to me people purchasing laptops over $4K...with a 4 core cpu in it. Don't get me wrong i love to game as maxed out as the rest of them but lets get some options here other than you can have any flavor you would like as long as its 4 cores.

 

4k on a high end system gets you the GPUs and a pair of 1TB SSDs and some ram.

If you are on a limited budget like 4k (and yes I am being serious) anything above a quad core should still be towards the back of your list.

If we are talking 6-8k budget then we can start talking about adding some extra cores

 

But it doesn't have to be that way is what I'm saying, not everyone wants 2.5K+ of GPU's and 1K+ of storage and saying that if you want more cores you HAVE to spend 6K+ is overkill but i understand that narrative fits better with business. I am more speaking to the wishes part of this thread but i realize that most people want more GPU power even if some don't actually use it outside benching (although people bring up not using more cores daily)

 

Part of the benefit of the x299 platform is to get more bandwidth for devices like extra GPUs, if you don't need it then a large part of the platform appeal goes away.

 

or we can pick 1 big cpu, 1 1080 gpu, 1tb of storage and decent amount of ram and top at 4-5k rather than 1 small cpu, and 2 big gpu.

no customization, no option. truly sad.

 

i would be ALL over that in a heartbeat! multi-gpu systems aint me, but give me extra ram / fast storage and cpu powah any day

 

yea exactly. when the laptop because EOL we can then purchase 2nd GPU for SLI if we deem performance on gpu isnt enough.

 

@Meaker@Sager - I 100% get what your saying by the way, just hoping it wont stay the same. Crazy to think a company communicating this much on a niche forum!

 

Exactly!! A Terrible HS design!!

 

Maybe the new GPU design will help. Thinner GPU heatsinks may mean more space for the CPU => Higher chance for higher-spec CPU?

 

New GPU design as Max-Q means only thinner and more flimsy laptop chassis!! The oppsite of what yoo need if you shall put in more Cpu power.

 

Yea this whole Max-Q from a marketing perspective is definitely misleading if not outright lying.

 

Well I was hoping Clevo to be the one with some sense to use the same laptop chassis size as before but throw in a much beefier CPU

 

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see a crazy system, maybe you could get away with an x299 with a single titan class GPU and also offer lower cards for those who want the CPU power.

That could be a seriously fun system.

Vapor chamber for both with the CPU and GPU sharing the centre cooling area and then each having their own block either side.

Nvidia offering the titan class in mobile form could make that possible as with a single 1080 it would not sell enough to warrant the design IMO.

 

Kaihua Mechanical Laptop Switches Get Thinner, Company Tries Out Scissor Design

Sonere or later will Clevo also follow up and change keyboard. Not that this is necessary, but they will follow after.

"From what we saw at Computex this week, the mechanical laptop switch game is escalating, and Kaihua is taking it to a whole new level."

 

imho keyboard is a small issue, i always end up using external keyboard most of the time anyway. as long as inside isnt bga thin soldered junk then rest are all secondary.

btw, looks like intel might be delaying their 14/16/18c until next yr and just look to see what AMD has to offer with 16 cores rofl. damn intel and their milking.

 

Well that chip is a different arch never originally meant for the consumer platform. They may need to tweak/bin parts to make it decent as an extreme edition.

 

thats right, hence the milk. want to release paper launch and news so people can hold off buying on AMD's 16 cores for less than $1000 lol. intel trying real hard right now but imo not enough.

 

Clevo with X299 and single Titan or 1080Ti OR even Clevo with X399(AMD ThreadRipper) with AMD Vega or Titan/1080Ti would be nice. I'd get rid of my P870DM3 for that.

 

It's seems like most P870 owners would embrace more CPU grunt.

 

this is why clevo is blind. i dont understand how can they be so stuck up on their *past* mistake, if p570wm was a mistake at all to begin with.

imho the machine can start with 4c to 12c, their laptop right now is 4c and soon mainstream will be 6c. if mobo is expensive due to pcie lanes then they can simply make the pcie lanes for just x16 for two GPU and be done with it.