Wishes and Expectations for Clevo [2017 Edition]

Intel is seemingly falling all over themselves in a panic with X299 so I wouldn't bank on it getting into laptops any time soon.

Ryzen on the other hand....With a confirmed R7 1700 ROG laptop, hopefully Clevo follows suit. I already speculated a while ago in the Ryzen+Clevo thread that the R7 1700 TDP would be perfect for a workstation/creators laptop because they're deceptively cool at the lower clocks of the 1700.

 

Going forward I'm going to judge Clevos commitment to excellence based solely on whether they address their heatsink QC in their next generation. Such an easy fix for a company striving to keep its customers happy, it will be like a canary in the coal mine.

 

worst possible combination tbh. asus laptop rog with ANY high end CPU/GPU. thin soldered pos asus style. i bet that 1700 8 core can't clock past 3.5 without overheating lol. well since i havent seen it's internal design i can't say for sure.

 

Are you kidding? That thing is fat. Have you looked at the pic? It's 340mm tall. For reference, a P750DM is 357mm tall.
Spec sheet photo: http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/ASUS-ROG-STRIX-GL702ZC-AMD-Ryzen-and-RX-580_1.jpg

Well that would put it past the R7 1700X base clock which is rated at 95W TDP...so what exactly would you expect? I swear some people here think physics shouldn't apply to them....

Even in stock configuration the R7 1700 takes a monstrous dump on the 7700K in multithreaded tests. It'd be particularly good for video editors or streamers on the go.

 

excellent thickness, now we just need to heatsink to be as large as p570wm and comes with non-soldered cpu/gpu. if this was a clevo/msi laptop then theres way higher chance for non BGA to happen but this is ASUS we are talking about, even with socket hardware they like to have their own PCB size. i can smell a 5-6k laptop with dead end no upgrades.

 

If it's 340mm tall, It would be possible with i9-7920x I'm 100% sure

 

Remember that the listed TDP on AMD processors is usually worth just ignoring.

 

http://wccftech.com/intel-coffee-lake-delayed-2018-8th-gen-kaby-lake-refresh/

@Papusan look at that, more delay. all talk. now both laptop and desktop are delayed rofl

 

I posted the mess here as well!!

 

AMD has traditionally quoted TDP as the maximum possible output, whereas Intel goes with a "typical usage" type number.

The current generation is a bit weird though. The 1700 is quoted at 65W TDP but will draw upwards of 100W under maximum load and at the same time, run cooler than the 7700K.

 

That's because Kaby Lake's die-level heat dissipation is atrocious, not to mention the fact that Intel uses cheap TIM between the die and the metal lid, whereas AMD solders both together. Furthermore, it's fair to say that Intel has a fair bit of wasted die space with the Intel iGPU, which, let's face it—hardly anyone ever uses.

 

I don't think it was a mistake, just might have been a bit early. No one really bought it, I'm assuming because of size and price.

If Clevo can make a P870DM3 sized (even Alienware M18x size) X299 chipset laptop with single full desktop GPUs (1180, Titan xV) I think it would sell.

 

im sure p870dm if u enlarge it a bit on it's footprint and put an 18 inch display instead of 17 inch, it can house 4 fans and a bigger heatsink for just CPU. clevo definitely have the capability, ultimately its all money and somehow they dont see it being popular, even though the recent big laptops means the opposite, also, theres our voting thread says it differently.

 

It could already fit a larger panel but 17.3 inch panels have far more options.

 

id LOVE an HEDT laptop! take the P870 series for example: get rid of one gpu, thatll save you 200W TDP and use that cooling headroom to include AMD threadripper bam, u got urself a winner!

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Put in 1080Ti instead of 2x 190w graphics and put in a nice Cpu As well increase the thickness around half a inches if needed and the cooling would be a lot better. The damn sick thinness some people want

 

yes that giant p570wm heatsink sexy

 

Yeah, I love it

 

Definitely, 570WM refresh, with x299

 

rather x399, x299 is way too complex to be able to supportboth kblx and sklx, especially for a tiny laptop mobo. x399 has a larger socket but makes more sense, especially from a perf/price standpoint

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Original P870DM 3 early development unit was thicker (better cooling) than the P870DM 2...just wish I could still get my hands on one of those rare beasts...

 

X399 Sounds good to me. I'm a newbie but definitely think they could pull it off. I contacted Eurocom and tried ordering a Panther 5 from an old configure screen. They let me know they were no longer available but, they could sell a truck load if they were still able to get them.

 

There were 2 fans for the GPU, 1 each. A fan for the CPU. What did the 4th fan cool? or were there 2 for the CPU?

 

I told myself I need to keep this P870DM3 for as long as I can.

With all the extra cores HEDT is getting from both camps, unless Clevo comes up with an X299/X399 style system I'll probably go back to desktops after this P870DM3.

Two fans for CPU

Were they originally thinking of going X99?

 

Why do you think they changed it?

 

Got it! That makes sense with 130 watt or 150 watt CPUs

 

I had a 10-core Xeon in my P570WM

http://ark.intel.com/products/75277/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2680-v2-25M-Cache-2_80-GHz

Fastest CPU I've owned to date and it was in a laptop.

 

That's no joke! I don't know a whole lot about computers but I heard those Xeons are made to run day and night. Basically server, that you can carry around.

 

The architecture software I use runs well with my rig but if I try to Ray Trace it uses 100% of the CPU, all cores 100%. That Xeon you had would be sweet for that kind of use.

 

That would be SO SWEET. It's a shame they changed it.

The reason(s) are probably things we would not be very happy about. But, when you take a look around you and the pathetic garbage kiddos are paying big bucks for... stuff with soldered filth and castrated TDP... it's easy to see how they would lower the bar to save a few bucks. When most of your customers are stupid, you don't need to care about the few that are not. If that were not the case, Alienware, MSI, ASUS, Acer, Razer and Gigabyte would either change or go bankrupt because they would never sell any of their crippled gamer-boy turdbooks.

I had a 4930K at first and then 4960X in my P570WM. That is 2 fans for the CPU. Just a minute and I will snap a photo of the CPU heat sink for you. I have a defective spare that I haven't thrown away yet.

 

Ahhh, good times. If only they refreshed it with 1080 SLI...Look at that socket.

 

There she is... all 1 lbs 4.7 oz of it. It was quite the monster heat sink, but even that was not enough though. It needed to have larger radiators and fit was the signature Clevo slop-o-rama. The second fan went to the left of the one in the photo on the right, behind the radiator hanging off to the left and on top of the RAM stick shown in @ssj92 photo. (That was really inconvenient.) The small arm off to the side with the small copper plate is the PCH cooler.

Indeed. I would still own mine if it had not reached the end of the line with 980M SLI. It was quite the wicked beast.

 

Originally the P870DM2 had 5v FANs and was the same thickness as the final P870DM2/DM3 production units.
Only the P870DM3 was using 12v FANs and was ( EDIT:) roughly 5mm thicker.
They ended up using a meet in the middle approach by using DM2 thickness with DM3 FANs in order to only have to produce a single system for all 3 GPUs with the heatsink remaining the only internal difference but no longer the board/bottom plate/housing.

 

Sweet. I like my thinner machines, but a desktop HEDT socket and those monster heatsinks...

I think with Kaby Lake and the crapshow that will be Skylake-E and Kaby Lake-E, we'll need bigass desktop coolers like this:

 

Anyone that would to try to cool them using fans and heat sink rather than using a decent liquid cooling system should expect issues. Even 6700K and 7700K are a challenge to cool that way. I cannot imagine why anyone would want to do that with a desktop, but I know some people do. Seems kind of silly to me when liquid cooling is easier, cheaper and more effective... and quieter (for those that value quiet). That said, BeQuiet! makes some really good products for those that prefer to do it that way.

 

OK, I see. That's one big heat sink with 2 fans running. That's sweet. I'd love to grab one of those. It seems like everyone that has one is holding onto it.

 

I see. The DM 3 development unit had thicker bottom plate/housing. But with same thickness on Grid/cpu heatsink and 12v fans as today. Was there a problem using a bit bigger heatsink grills for more, aka better cooling, or they never develop a thicker one? Same for thicker fans?
If so, Still, you could do a very decent DYS heatsink mod yourself with more space headroom. COMPROMISES WILL NEVER DO YOU ANY GOOD!!
The thinnes and flimsy infect-poison the whole hardware industry and only gains those who think medium always is good enough.

 

The sockets are only getting larger too.

 

It was quite the workhorse, and until its inability to accept newer than 980M SLI it was the indisputable king of laptop performance. We have come a long way and the gap between X79 HEDT and 7700K is much narrower due to improved efficiency and higher clock speeds. The improvement of 1080 over 980M is spectacular enough to negate most of the benefits of the slightly stronger CPU. It would be awesome to have a machine that looks the same as the P870 on the outside, only thicker and able to handle X99 or better HEDT Extreme CPU.

As the saying goes, " Good is the enemy of Great."

How we got to the point that BGA filth can be passed off as "good" is a mystery. In that case we would have to say " One man's trash is another man's treasure" because nothing about BGA gamer-boy jokebooks qualifies as good.

I really love that, too. The bigger the better. From small thinkers comes small things, along with delusions of grandeur.

 

Already answered on this in post above. A Hell lots of people with <medium and some with lack of knowledge> is happy with medium or shall we say mediocre performance and quality. This isn't a mystery bro Fox!! You get what you ask for. The ODM and hardware manufacturers produce their products thereafter. And make money at lower cost. Those who want something much better than trash will be screwed as always. You can thank all the people who buy the trash for what we have today!! Mediocre!!

 

Don't know if the thread covered it but 2k screen options.

 

By 2k what resolution do you mean?

 

This is probably the wrong forum to be asking this but out of all the Clevo Resellers out there who are the top 3 or 5. Basically who has the most "influence" on Clevo?

 

going by gut feeling id say sager, eurocom and xmg are somewhere at the top...

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I have heard from most if not all of the major players that they find it hard to convince Clevo from this or that idea...
The only thing that Clevo listens to is if the big players join forces in pushing their ideas forward and let them echo in their ears from all angles...

 

So how do they make their market decissions ? Consumer feedback ? It's a miracle they still push good machines without customer feedback.

 

[My2C]

Well if we look at their new and upcoming (BGA) models, we can see a strong trend to imitate the competition namely MSI, Asus, AW, Gigabyte and the likes...

When HTC, another Taiwanese company, started a similar trend, instead of focusing on innovation, the one thing which made them great in the first place, their net-worth started plummeting.
A decision they still have a hard time to recover from until today, even though their recent devices are awesome once again (Just exchanged some BTC for a U11 myself to upgrade from my almost 4 year old M7).

It's risky to take risks, it's stupid not not! Cough...Intel..cough...

[/My2C]

 

The U11 is an awesome device. If only they had left in the headphone jack (they could've given users the option of USB-C or analog), and used the metal build of the 10, which I have. The 10 is an absolute tank of a device. A pity that Clevo has hardly innovated in the small form factor notebook realm... I would really like to have seen a 13–14" Clevo with an MXM 3.0b slot. The W230SS was game-changing, bringing Maxwell power to a really small form factor (though it was more due to the superb efficiency of GM107). The P640HK is just... meh. It is a sidegrade from the P640RE. I want to see something new, something impressive, and they come with a crap ton of 15" machines in an already saturated 15" market. How many do we have, just from Clevo? N850HJ/HK/HP, P950HP/HR, W650KK, P650HP/HS, P750DM2?

Where the heck is the P740DM?

 

The times of the headphone jack will soon be over, but at least they bundled an adapter with a very good DAC to make up for it. I was a bit disappointed about not sticking to their metal body design, but then fell for the metal glass combo...
Clevo has designs of half size MXM pascal cards (forgot the exact name, would have to check), which they haven't been using so far...would be awesome to see a small system support those. Since they even have small LGA systems beside the P6-series, that would be my new instant travel-book choice for sure.

 

You mean MXM 3.0A? But that has got a fairly limited TDP of 75 W... Which is around GTX 1050 Ti levels of performance. Better than the GTX 860M in our W230SS, but compared to the 1060, 1070... It's not all that great at all. Contrast that to the MXM 3.0B form factor (which is about 40% longer) where Aetina has put a full-fat 1080... Also, see my edit to my previous post.

How come we have so damn many 15" models??????