X7200 Pre-sale price is here!

NICE! But where is 470M's benchmark?

 

GPU options are.... ?

 

Can't find them on Sager's website.

 

It's the resellers advertising battle, so be patient and observe

 

nVIDIA GeForce GTX 480M times one or two.

nVIDIA GeForce GTX 460M w/1.5GB GDDR5 and GTX 470M to come later.

 

They aren't released yet...but will be by next week.

 

Yes, there is no pricing on this model yet. Very, very soon...

 

To come or not to come, that's the question
And also, when? Next month? Next year?

 

Hallelujah.

Now the wait for the Mobility 6870.

 

So it's saying only 480M has SLI or no info is given for 460M and 470M?

 

It is saying "...to come later"

 

Haha, of course. Who will go for 480M's if 460/470's are available? The politics are very clear.
Nvidia is gonna have an epic fail on that one.

 

Ha they clearly already failed on 480M.

 

They failed on the 460 too, why not spend 100-150$ more to get the performance of basically the 480 in the 470GTX?

5850=pointless 5870=win

480=pointless 460= pointless 470=full of win, it's even priced *somewhat* reasonably.

 

Yeah makes sense.

 

The 460 shouldn't be too far off from the 470. This lineup actually reminds me of the 9800M GTS (460M), GT (470M) and GTX (480m), where the difference in average performance between the top card and bottom card is around 20% at most. If the 460M in SLi costs the same as MR 5870s in Crossfire, that would be a very competitive setup.

 

Granted it is not cheap, but you would be surprised to know how many of the 480m's in this model will sell...it is nVidia's flagship GPU at this time...and MANY are already wanting it...

 

Pretty much on point.

I'd like to see whether an overclocked 480M can actually take advantage of its ridiculous shader count. It's sad that a part with 160 less shaders is so close to it.

Waiting for 470M in W880CU announcement.....

 

Pretty bad decision to wait with those cards... people might just go for the MR HD 6870 if it really comes out soon. People who can afford it and just need to have the best (no matter how small the margin) will get the GTX 480M anyway. Others will simply get no new laptop, because the GTX 480M is too expensive for them. They would however, get a laptop if GTX 460M/GTX 470M would be available. Weird call by Nvidia... since they know how well the GF104 based desktop card sold and they knew that it does not take long for ATI to release new cards that will be cheaper and perform better... and its pretty easy to predict that the MR HD 6870 - if it comes - will perform better than the GTX 480M.

 

Some sources already mention the MR6870 to be presented on 6th of January though I'm sure, we'll know the specs by Nov.-Dec.
Nvidia doesn't have that much time to fix their sales.
I wonder if Clevo will offer MR6870 CF for the beast... That, along with a decent screen could force me into pulling the trigger...

 

Oh, where'd this news come from?

January works for me, and fits right into my purchasing timeline.

 

IIRC, the article (which I'm looking for right now) said that both 6700 (desktop) and 6870 (mobile) will be released simultaneously, since they are based on the same chip, around mid October. However, the mobile part will remain in shadows till CES 2011 (6-9 January) where the 6870's will appear already in a few machines.

Gimme a few more minutes to find it......

 

Yes AMD always has big displays at CES here in Las Vegas in January. If they do announce this card (MR6870) at that time, then you will not see it shipping in any system until about March 2011 most likely. I remember the Mobility 5870 presentation last January there. I hope it's released then...

 

If the 6870 will perform better than th 480m, maybe then the 480m will land on the ground from the stratosphere, with the price.

 

Black Comb should be significantly stronger than 480M. As was mentioned earlier :

 

Nvidia is already expecting to lose a lot of money because they have to make the 400 series cheaper so that people buy it... if AMD really begins to roll out the 6000 series by October and it performs as great as rumored than Nvidia will really have a problem... their only justification for those crazy prices is that their cards perform better (even if only by a small margin and through bigger power consumtion and heat production). If they lose this trump card, they will be in serious trouble. But well, this will not be the end of Nvidia, they have enough big customers and contracts with a lot of people... In any case, it will mean more competition, which is a great thing for us.

 

It would be sick to sit on the completed product for so long. Meanwhile, the 460M and 470M are going to gobble up all of the high-end marketshare, especially if the M6870 doesn't launch until March.

 

How many owners with 460M/470M/ do we have?
When will the 470M appear in notebooks?
Any word about SLI?
I don't see any of those yet. Just a Asus (single 460M) and two Clevo's with 480M officially orderable.

Also, nobody excludes the possibility of the MR6870 release in October All we know now is a few rumors.
Another possible reason for delays is the unwillingness of AMD to cut their 5000 series sales. The MR5870 is still a hot selling beast performance/price wise both in the gaming and professional sectors (M7820 kicks everything Nvidia has to offer and costs 1/4 or 1/5? of the FX3800M price, M5800 beats both the FX880M and FX1800M and costs 1/3 or 1/4? of the FX1800M)
There's no point in preliminary attack even if you got the weapons. This is not about current battle but about long term strategy with max. optimized balance of forces.
IMHO.

 

This is my point. It takes a lot of time before ones actually have these babies in their hands from the time of announcement of release and or the rumors of them coming. So as regards the x7200, which this thread is about, you can be sure it will be more than a couple of months before a card like the MR6870 would find it's way into it...IMO

 

I agree. Realistically, we won't be able to see it in x7200 till Q1 2011. It gives 480M some 4-5 months of wearing the crown

 

If you ask me 480M really never had the crown to begin with. It barely outperforms the 5870m and it does so in only a few games. The TDP is also much higher than the 5870m and the price for the gpu itself is far more expensive than the price for the 5870m. And it performs better in benchmarks that are biased towards Nvidia's side, in real world conditions you really wouldn't see a difference between the 480m and the 5870m except that with the 480m you're getting a "hotter" deal.

 

I agree, but still: The GTX 480M does perform better and for many that seems to be enough reason to buy that card.

BTW mySN just got back to me and told me the GTX 460M/470M should have arrived two days ago... their guess is that they will not be able to ship the first cards until november - if thats the case then other Clevo resellers should have the same problem. By that time we should have news about the MR HD 6870...

 

Someone said 470M SLI is cheaper than a single 480M, true?

 

we do not know for sure yet, but it is possible. The GF104 chip is MUCH cheaper to make than the GF100. And nvidia is know to way over inflate their top model prices (much like Intel does)

 

^^ Getting ready for a new benching toy, heh?

 

Na, already have enough toys I need to bench. Will happily watch though lol

 

My thoughts exactly

 

to bad i already try RGB led screens and i can't see myself going back to ccfl. but for the price the X8100 still looks interesting

now if they put HD5870's on the X7200 that will be a different story

 

Yep, they spoiled us with those screens, M8
Maybe at some point 1080P RGB LED TN/IPS panels will appear and fit x7200?

 

I've never tried one of those screens before, but in what ways are they so amazing? I don't really care about viewing angles

 

yeah you can dream

 

Color Accuracy

Viewing Angles

Brightness

Rich Blacks

and more

 

^^ + the "bring your games into life" feature with the real 8-bit per color component output, and assuming the game supports that color depth (that is, up to 16.7M colors simultaneously, when normal laptop screens only can output up to 262,144 colors at the same time) -> 63+ times more colors
That was regarding the 8-bit per color RGB LED TN screens.
The IPS 10-bit per color is capable of producing over 1 billion true colors -> I won't do the math....

 

Yep, coming from desktop VA, and IPS monitors, you can certainly notice with TN screens that colour reproduction isn't quite as good, but they're better than they used to be at reproducing (or emulating in some cases via dithering).

Certainly not like the old days, similar to how it used to be a case of LCDs were MASSIVELY overwhelmed by plasma tvs, whereas now SOME of the LEDs out there are starting to get quite a bit closer (although Plasma's still claim the throne there).

RGB LED is just one more step towards producing glorious panels for every user, even if they don't know any better

 

Is there any link i can do research on this, it seems interesting. I never knew that laptop screens did output 256k colors. I don't notice any banding in games or anything. Isn't 16.7milion colors 32bit per pixel ? In the old days you could select in games 16 bit and 32 bit, with 32 bit using more resources, but now hardware is so powerfull everything is 32bit. This is all i remember, as i don't have any knowledge of what this 8bit per color component actually means.

It seems a lot of time until november to get the 460m and 470m. It is a good idea i replaced my netbook with a true laptop to ease the waiting. Intel T4400, 4gb ram, 640gb hdd, 1366x768 15" and 1gb 240m. Every games i play work in native decent, but this is to allow me to cope with a longer wait. I spent 300 eur on this one

If 6870 is gonna have better performance than 480m and is gonna be at the same price of 470m or cheaper, than a crossfire 6870 in the x7200 is gonna be a killer combination.
I think the 6870 is gonna have a 256 bit bus, and maybe will have 2gb of ram, but i doubt it.

Two of these babies, regarding of specs is gonna keep the 1080p busy for many months to come.

Later Edit after reading the last 3 pages:
If i were AMD, i would stop producing 5870s and after their gone or allmost gone from seller i would launch 6870, that being as soon as possible to leave the smallest amount of time the 480m is king. Nvidia is bullsh.iting us with its 480m and it's price. Also the 460m has an inflated price as it should be below the 5870.

And stuff like physics is a marketing mumbo jumbo.
I've read on wikipedia that the reason we see such a drop in performance when physics is enabled over the cpu is because the code is poorly made in a single threaded manner because it was created when code was made in such a way. If the code was to be made according to today standards we would see extremly small to no drop in performance when physics would be enabled over the CPU.
So nvidia is keeping their poor coded code just to justify their higher prices.
If the code was made accroding to today standards, not only the nvidia cards would be cheaper than they are today, but physics would be possible over the cpu and hence in a amd gpu only system.
But they have no reason to do that. Because first and foremost it's about the money, and after that about the buyer\client.

And it's gonna be this way as long as money exist. When money will cease to exist we will see major improvements in all areas of life, and esspecialy computers.

 

I doubt any game actually uses so many colors, most games, in fact, palletize the texture colors, aka reducing the color variation to reduce the size of the textures, so that it could be fitted into the video ram during run time.

 

Then why do I see a huge difference in color reproduction in every game? I tested a number of games on the WLED (Lenovo W510), RGB LED TN (M17X) and IPS (8740w). With RGB LED @8-bit you actually see more.
And since this topic sparkles bright interest, I'll make another review before selling the M17X. Just need a very good camera to prove my point. Will focus on all 3 screens this time.

 

Difference in color representation doesn't mean more color variation. It's probably just because the color your screen's pixel show is different from that of a wled screen. But that doesn't mean that game will actually use millions of color variances.

 

What you said about physics is why most game engines use proprietary cpu driven physics that work great. Nvidia PhysX is really only common in Unreal 3 driven games these days...about nothing else uses it. And yes, they want to make it suck on cpus to justify their GPUs of course

 

Does this Laptop have
the Sleep charge function like the Toshiba Laptops ?

Thanks