X7200 Pre-sale price is here!

Alot of long term users, and reviewers all agree the screen on the clevo is middle of the road at best. I find it crazy to spend this kinda money on mediocre.

Please dont think I am a clevo hater, just disapointed by how this machine has been put together. I want good screen, good asthetics and not an outdated gpu being pawned off by nvidia overstock before they kill the 480 with the 470.

I would buy a x7200 if it was 5k if it was right

 

You can always wait for the 460/470m to be available before buying. Personally, I don't think 480m SLI is worth the money as well, unless you have tons of money to spare and only care about getting the top of the line performance.

 

Agreed. 470M is the way to go agreed 100 percent.
Otherwise and we will see this is going to be the same POS as the 8850.
I had an 8850 480m sold it within 3 days awful laptop.
I work in 3d animation studio, so alot of the guys have alot of high laptops.

 

This GPU is not outdated, it is not like all the G92 rebranding. It is just not efficient at all (in power or cost). The GF104 is really what belongs in a laptop (and the 470m will do just that). I also enjoy a nice screen but have given up on laptops having them unless they are business grade. If they do, bonus, if not, oh well. The fact that this is 16:9 is more of a shame than the screen quality, at least in my eyes.

 

Good thing I don't need much when it comes to screens... But I really want the HDMI IN.

 

Before we proceed with bashing, I have a few things to add as I happen to own both a IPS equipped HP and RGB LED AW. I also owned a "mediocre" CCFL equipped M17X-R1.

While IPS is the best in color reproduction and viewing angles, it has its drawbacks - high input lag (deal breaker for hardcore gamers), higher power consumption and a very high price. Another thing is that it doesn't have a pure white and there's a red/blue "tint effect" under certain angles and lighting conditions.
Also, according to HP, it doesn't work well with the Fermi based notebook GPU's (this needs further investigation).

RGB LED TN has its own issues, - it can only be used with 1.8 gamma (instead of the standard 2.2) and needs some really hard work to calibrate and eliminate all the oversaturation of colors (which is terrible, imo). Even when calibrated you can still see a rainbow effect on text at certain angles. Even though some say that the whites are pure, I disagree (had 3 different panels and all of them had some tinting, which was reduced after calibration)

With regards to metal case, you forget a few important things. While the solid "feel" is nice, two problems exist here, overheating and deformation.
The entire case will get extremely hot during load and given the hardware packed, even 10 fans wouldn't be enough to keep the surface cool to touch.
Every significant bump and hit will leave some dents and with time and heat the metal will have warps and other deformities.
Plastic (high quality) is a much better choice in this case (IMHO).
Also, it's not a problem to make a metal notebook that will have the same weight. In fact, my 8740w (full metal case) weights the same (if not less) as W701 (plastic case) and is even slightly thinner, IIRC.

Backlit keyboard is the only thing I'd like to have in x7200 as am often forced to work at night and have mediocre typing skills.
Also, the screen could be brighter than 200Nits.

 

I will post a few pics when it arrives. Supposed to ship Friday from sager.
Its not mine its my partners but whats lands in the ups truck is fair game

 

Get some pictures of the cooling for us, that is what I want to see

 

I would also like a back-lit mechanical LCD on the buttons keyboard. But that's way away for now.

Why mechanical ? Because it seems this is the new trend in gaming keyboards. I heard of these mechanical keyboards, but i don't know what the deal with them is. Anyone knows what these are ?

And LCD keys would be a cool feature to have. Basicaly every key has a LCD and when you change languages the display modifies acordingly. For instance a standard qwerty keyboard could be changed to an azerty keyboard and the keys would show it. Obviously you would need OS supports, but i think this could be done. Pressing daily on a surface that has beneath a LCD is another issue, but i think it could be done.

The thing is, since the chasis has a spot for HDMI in and CATV jack if i ever am gonna get this laptop, you can bet yo' mama's as.s it will have a tv tunner and a hdmi in, otherwise it won't be complete in my opion. The same deal applies to "getting the x7200 but it has only 1 GPU". It is not complete.

Mechanical keyboard guide.
http://www.overclock.net/computer-peripherals/491752-mechanical-keyboard-guide.html

And here is what i'm talking about, it seems it allready exists:
http://store.artlebedev.com/electronics/optimus-maximus/
The drawback is that the keyboard costs 2400 dollars.

 

Interesting guide! It's funny that the guide also names the exact keyboard you are looking for. Mechanical keyboard with OLEDs on every key. OLEDs are perfect for this use. There is just a minor drawback: It costs 2400 USD.

 

Because it has a 10.1mm x 10.1mm OLED screen on each key it also has "back lit keyboard"

Apart from the high price it is very think for a keyboard and it's gonna be a while until we see such monster in a laptop.

 

Why should I wait for the 470M instead of using the 480M? I looked over the specs and I get that the architecture is a bit different and the 470m does things more efficiently but I am interested in the raw horsepower without much tweaking. Which one is going to be faster? It looks to me that it should be the 480M.

I want to buy the laptop, do no major tweaks except for driver updates, and run it and the games I play for 2-3 years. I have had great success with my Sager 9262 and the twin 8800s.

I need the desktop processor for work and the sli for games. This will be my only machine and I travel 75% of the time so no desktop.

What is the compelling feature for the 470M if overclocking is not going to be used and I want top performance?

 

The compelling feature is drastic reduction in price.

 

Should also run cooler (as well as be cheaper), which not only increases overclocking potential but also reduces the chance of hardware failure over the longer term.
This is one of the reasons high end GPUs have a habit of dying earlier on, but cooler, lower end GPUs sometimes live on for quite some time, cards are designed to take heat, but being subject to high temperatures over the long term is obviously not good for a card's lifespan (memory or GPU).

 

Any idea on an ETA for the 470M SLI option?? I read around the forums that these 470M SLI are gonna be less expensive than one 480M... were talking about an 800 Euro difference here! thats enough to upgrade my CPU from i7-950 to a whopping i7-980x.

 

Look at the price/performance.

Why pay twice the price, when there probably won't be 10% difference in performance?

I will pay ~$900 for my SLI, so why pay ~$1800 for yours?

 

hehe, this is starting to get funny. Its almost like video card price wars gone terribly awary. Who pays this, why pay that, whats better and whats worse. Whats coming out and what blows what out of where and why. haha, its endless.

 

Hopefully Blackcomb sets nvidia straight with their ridiculous mobile fermi pricing.

 

^^ What if they join the havoc?

 

We really should boycot them to make them stop raping us with the prices, but who am I kidding, people will always buy regardless

 

Honestly, there's no reason for AMD 6000 series to be much more expensive than the 5000. But the top tier cards (6870) will probably be more expensive than 5870.

 

Maybe in time prices will fall. But yes it is true, there are quite a few buying the SLI 480M at this time...even in this economy...

 

Do you guys think we will see a lowering in the price of Sager NP8850 (clevo 808CU) after the ATI 6000 cards are out this quarter? or even that the X7200 is now out?

 

They've already gone down for price fixing once. As long as ATI stays reasonable, you can ascribe Nvidia's high prices to insanity rather than colluding.

Nvidia will likely lower 4xx prices to remain competitive, yes.

 

So you had a lot of people buy sli huh, its up to them I suppose. Any ETA on the other gpu's? If you've said already forgive me, I tend to skim through the pages.

Have you bought one for yourself, and with what config? Are your initial thought good concerning this lappy? Hurry up already with the reviews lol

Nvidia and competetive aren't usually the two same words I would use in a sentence lmao

 

ETA for 460m notebooks seems like October, so october for 470m too is a safe bet.

 

Thanks for reply

Hmm, may have to wait, but it would be so painful! Must... buy... now... why the heck was I born so impatient!

 

Not a lot of reasons not to use the 480M except for the price. Anyone else have an a good argument to skip the 480M

 

The power draw.....it is painfully inefficient compared to the GF104. A 336 core GF104 with lower clocks will outperform a 352 core GF100 (desktop GTX460-GF104 vs GTX465-GF100) while costing less to make and using less power and running cooler.

Are those enough reasons for you?

 

I command everyone with a x7200 to make a video review right now.

 

that card has a lot of ground to cover...


3+
2+
frames is not an easy task to make up in vantage...

 

Outperforming is a great reason. I thought from the posts on here that stock the 480M would outperform the 470 if only by 10%.

I am not trying to start a war. I am looking for facts.

 

Well let's assume power and heat are not issues, then can I oc 480M to desktop GTX 465 level? Then can I oc 470M to desktop GTX 460? Seems too extreme to be practical.

 

Or you can view it as they are both underclocked versions in the laptops and expect about the same margin of performance between the 2

 

That is nice, but is that the max OC?

 

the only real draw back is going to be...just how much voltage nvidia is willing to give...
that 480m is running on a measly .0850V and is nowhere near over heating....

scook9:
that is done right on the desk vs using a ac/freezer/and 1.15 volts.
you can try it with your 4870's...see how far you get on that voltage...lol

 

Then it looks like the power adapter is definitely going to be the bottleneck lol

If they are doing 100W at .85V.....at least thermals should not be an issue!

 

yeah, i dont think that's true either...the 100 watts part.
but will get a second look when speedy gets his machine...

 

Except the price difference between the desktop 2 are not even $100.
I hate laptops

 

By the way, can anyone fill me in about voltage and other stuff related? I'm short on that.

 

I think the best option is going to be using xenon cpu less voltage and more volts for the gpus. I think speedy already said this but I agree 100 percent. I do know that with a 980 and sli 480m you will not have enough power with brick they give you. is 10 percent worth 1400 bucks you have to be making big paper to justify this. Way beyond my realm. I pay cash for my laptops if you have to use a credit card you already know the answer to this.

 

Forgot to mention that if your going 7200 and dual sli 480 then you have to go 980 my partner has one coming in ships Friday they told him and with upgrades its a tad under 5k.

 

if you go xeon over the 980x you lose the unlocked multiplier and gain not much at all

 

i concur with cook.
and most of these games and bench marks dont need 6 cores and 12 threads...what does make the major difference is...how fast that chip runs....
and for the record..a 980x does not need much voltage to operate at all. it uses the exact same as any 920/930/950/960/975/965/970...but can run just about 4ghz on stock voltage if the bios is coded right.

 

You can oc the GTX 480M to a GTX 465, that's what would make this card interesting. You cannot oc the GTX 470M to a GTX 460 since it's a GTS 455 (it has 288 shaders instead of 336 like the GTX 460). So in an oc vs oc comparison the GTX 480M would clearly win against the GTX 470M, but non oc the margin is just to small to justify the price difference + GTX 485M (probably 336 shaders) could be oc'ed to a GTX 460 and that would be the end of GTX 480M.

 

And what do you gain froo the 980x? there is no warranty yet that the multiplier can b changed.

 

no warranty? them drugs must be hella good!

lol

 

So the multiplier is unlock now in the laptop?

 

ummm, the 980x is an extreme cpu so yes. it has an unlocked multiplier.

 

What CPU are you using ? 980X ?
Can you do a 3dmark 2006 at these freq ?