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    X7200 Pre-sale price is here!

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by AndrewKW, May 30, 2010.

  1. Speedy Gonzalez

    Speedy Gonzalez Xtreme Notebook Speeder!

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    the LCD is the same on the W870CU,AsusG73 JW-JH and W880CU that gives you an idea of how good it is ;)
     
  2. AndrewKW

    AndrewKW Notebook Consultant

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    X7200 has brushed aluminium surface so is not 100% plastic.
     
  3. 5150Joker

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    Are you sure about that? I haven't seen anyone confirm as such. If true that's a very good step in the right direction. Flagship models should never be cheap plastic.
     
  4. AndrewKW

    AndrewKW Notebook Consultant

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    Yep. Its not only visible but justin says (its brushed aluminium surface almost all over the place (back lid and pal rest wich is what we need) YEah that is awesome for sure.
     
  5. FXi

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    I'd just say the M17x has good competition. What I think may make the X7200 soar will be either 470M's or 485M's if they 485's bring power a bit more under control. Remember the 470's will have a bit lower memory, which saves heat and power, on top of being a slightly lower capable chip which should make for the right stuff for those who have been looking for 90% of the 480M power with a bit less heat and consumption.
     
  6. cookinwitdiesel

    cookinwitdiesel Retired Bencher

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    The cost is more of a concern than power consumption for most haha

    The 480m's are just too expensive for the performance they offer
     
  7. FXi

    FXi Notebook Deity

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    Well got to thinking that "if" the Xeon's have open multi's (and I know at least the 3680 does) then if you went with a 95W 2.93, and saved the resulting power savings to OC the GPU's you might get some bigger scores, and some better battery life to boot when you are not OC'ing. Of course battery may be the last thing on anyone's mind...

    Anyway, you can drop a tiny bit in speed and get 25% power savings, which seems like a good thing.

    Since panels are panels, it seems sad that Clevo couldn't have snagged at least the RGB LED TN panel the M17x has. I can definitely say that I'd miss the 1200 vertical on a 17" panel if I went with the 7200.

    The keypad being shortened seems a bit idiotic. They had plenty of space on the top of the machine to get a better and more spaced out keyboard. Both Dell and HP have managed it on 17" machines.

    Is there some reason not to have gone DP vs DVI? We have a growing abundance of 10 bit capable monitors, not to mention forthcoming 120Hz models, which can't be driven in high res on DVI. Yet a DP to DVI adapter to maintain backwards standard would have been cheap to do. Meaning they seem to have chosen DVI yet not realized how soon in the market we're going to need more bandwidth than DVI offers. Perhaps the focus was on HDMI, but I don't think the noise of this thing is going to make it much of a Home Theater type of machine. I gather this to be a high end, graphic workstation/gaming/benching machine and I would think DP would fit that well.

    80-95W Xeon, 470 or 485 SLI and you might have a machine that was both powerful and portable, if not for a few detractions like screen and DP.
     
  8. IKAS V

    IKAS V Notebook Prophet

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    Another cool thing they left out was the HDMI input feature, which has a spot for it but missing the hardware.
    I know to most people don't give a rats about it but if was in the original plans they should at least have a option for it.
    I know it's sacrilege with the most powerful gaming laptop ever made but I would have liked to hook up a PS3/XBOX 360 to use as a screen on the X7200. Have like mini gaming station for those with limited space in there tiny office/apartment :(
     
  9. Handsomerob

    Handsomerob Notebook Evangelist

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    Did you guys notice the optical output next to the headphone jack?
    That makes me happy! :) finally I can hook up a Toslink cable to my DAC
     
  10. fzhfzh

    fzhfzh Notebook Deity

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    I think all clevo laptops have that.
     
  11. Handsomerob

    Handsomerob Notebook Evangelist

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    No they actually don't. Clevo's all have coaxial SPDIF outputs.
    There was a red light in the 3.5mm jack thus meaning optical :)
     
  12. theriko

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    Nice catch handsomerob - it would appear that clevo has finally listened!
     
  13. Upper1

    Upper1 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Hy,

    got the first one *G*

    here my Specs:

    Barebone: X7200
    CPU: I7 920 (stock thermal compound)
    RAM: OCZ 2x 4gb @ 1333Mhz
    GPU: GTX 480m (Liquid Ultra thermal compound)
    HDD: 500Gb 7200rpm Segate SATA II
    DVD: LGCT10 Bluray Read
    WLAN: Intel 6300 450Mbit
    BIOS: Phoenix


    Got some problems and news.

    News
    1. Bios won't be open for OC, need help to OC my CPU or to get the right BIOS.

    Problems:
    1. Wlan only @72Mbit, should be on 450mbit
    2. DVD Drive won't read driver disc :D
    3. GTX480 Drive from reseller don't work, just installed one form laptopvideo2go
    4. RAM only @ 1066mhz :( need help with OC

    I am open for any questions. :) May I take some Pictures soon.

     
  14. cookinwitdiesel

    cookinwitdiesel Retired Bencher

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    You need the intel extreme tuning utility (should be on cd) for any overclocking
     
  15. lawtq

    lawtq Notebook Evangelist

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    Congrats my friend!

    As the man said look on cd for OC software.

    How much did it cost for you? Where did you buy from?
     
  16. Upper1

    Upper1 Notebook Enthusiast

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    @ scook9

    No I got none :(
    My reseller told me that it is not possible to OC a none extreme edition with x7200. They got a BIOS where they can set up invidually but they don't share this biosverisom.

    Do anyone have a exact tool, because the Mainboards is a clevo "custom" board which is not supported by other tools :(
     
  17. pasoleatis

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    waht about turbo? is that enabled?
     
  18. Upper1

    Upper1 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Hello,

    i've Updated the 1. Post.

    About 2,5k €

    no there is no OC Software :'(

    In bios HT is enable and in CPU-Z the multiplikator steps between 12x - 20x and 22x.
    I think 22x is the HT step...
     
  19. lawtq

    lawtq Notebook Evangelist

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    Hmm, we need someone from Xoticpc to help you find exactly where on the cd the OC tuning software is, I hope they see this post soon.

    The guy you purchased from does not know what he is talking about because it is proven you can OC even without extreme cpu.

    Post us many many pics please!!!!! NOW!!!!! ;)

    I can't see who your reseller is, post their company name please
     
  20. Zero989

    Zero989 Notebook Virtuoso

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    turbo on the i7 920 should be the 21x multiplier
     
  21. Upper1

    Upper1 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Yes I first typed 21x in my post than i looked at cpu z and it's truely 22x :D

    It sucks that my RAM is only at 1066mhz grrr :mad:
     
  22. Zero989

    Zero989 Notebook Virtuoso

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    your cpu is running @ 2.93Ghz? O_O
     
  23. Upper1

    Upper1 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Look:


    [​IMG]

    But only sometimes... @ Prime95 it's only 20x !
     
  24. lawtq

    lawtq Notebook Evangelist

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    HMM, so prime making it throttle back eh, no option in bios to disable throttling?

    What are temps with prime?
     
  25. Upper1

    Upper1 Notebook Enthusiast

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    I will start it now, just look in 5-10min
     
  26. lawtq

    lawtq Notebook Evangelist

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    I'm so excited! See my private message too please
     
  27. Upper1

    Upper1 Notebook Enthusiast

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    i have done :)

    looks like 80°C is the top with 20x (stock thermal compound, don't got enough Liquid Ultra for GPU and CPU)
     
  28. lawtq

    lawtq Notebook Evangelist

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    OH, You are using liquid metal for cooling cpu only
     
  29. Upper1

    Upper1 Notebook Enthusiast

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    No Liquid metall for GPU, for the CPU I only got the stock compound left. 1 or 1,5g is really not enought for both :D

    I think you need about 2 - 2,5g for CPU and about 1 - 1,5g for GPU
     
  30. lawtq

    lawtq Notebook Evangelist

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    I see, brave man, because I hear the liquid metal can be dangerouse. It is the best for cooling though. Tell us everything you can about this beast, look forward to your game benchmarks!!!
     
  31. cookinwitdiesel

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    Not throttling, the turbo multi is lower when all cores are loaded
     
  32. bwebcoder

    bwebcoder Notebook Guru

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    I maybe wrong but what we are seeing here with this machine is performance that simply does not match the price. I was expecting desktop 465 performance and I dont think its going to happen. Price v performance this unit is a bust.
     
  33. cookinwitdiesel

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    We already knew it was expensive for what you get. Lol

    It MAY be able to overclock to GTX 465 levels but that is yet to be determined (I am not hopeful). The price was just nvidia shooting themselves in the foot. I am sure many people are waiting for the 5870s or GTX 470 options to drop $1k off the price (literally :( )
     
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    I would say that alienware with dual 5870 with an extreme cpu about 3.5k
    Sager x7200 with dual 480ms and a 950 about 3.5k. Its not so expensive is it.

    Mobile extreme cpu not even close to speed of 950 Sager Wins !!!
    5870s not even close to 480m Sager Wins !!!

    When i said expensive I mean 3.5k is alot of money not comparing it because if you compare it becomes cheap fast.
     
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    The i7 920/940xm have been shown to be about as powerful as a stock i7 965 when the mobile chips are overclocked. If the overclocking on the x7200 for cpus turns out to not be that much, then there goes the processor comparison. As for the gpus, 5870m CF has yet to be shown to be significantly slower than the GTX 480m. And unless the GTX 480m's offer about 80% more performance the 5870s remain a better value for the buck
     
  37. hottestzephyr

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    why don't you test at 1920x1080?
     
  38. cookinwitdiesel

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    He may have a lower resolution screen? I did not think there was an option for that but his reseller has done a few other things oddly so hard to say
     
  39. bwebcoder

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    If thats dual gpu and running mafia 2 that slow, wow. Total crap you cant play a game at 25 fps. This game unplayable on the x7200
    Is it dual 480M or a barebones with with a single ?
     
  40. EtownsFinest

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    Looks like sager fixed the mistake +725 for sli :(
     
  41. cookinwitdiesel

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    He has a single GTX 480m
     
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    Well this is just not fair, comparing overclocked chips to out of the box.

    The sager needs bare min OC 950 . 80% oc on gpus are you crazy.

    In my office 3 alienware systems running cf 5870 one guy has single 480m

    5870 cf score 17k in o6

    480m single does 15k in o6

    these are non oc scores as these guys use them daily and dont want to OC.
    where is the comparison remember they both cost 3.5k

    I think the warranty and service Dell wins. Let me say this also I have sager, alienware , hp laptops I own right now. I use my elitebook with dreamcolor daily but I like gaming laptops the reason why I am reading these reviews. ready to buy a new gaming lappy with dx11
     
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    I qualified my comparison citing the possibility for little overclock headroom. If the CPU overclocks well in the x7200, then I agree, it will be stronger.

    I was not saying 80% OC on gpus, I was saying the GTX 480m need to perform about 80% better than the 5870s to justify their price and hold value.

    06 is not a gpu benchmark......it is a cpu benchmark that uses gpus. For a direct comparison look at the Vantage gpu score. At stock clocks it is 14k for 5870 CF, 15k for GTX 480m SLI (not sure on the single card numbers)
     
  45. lawtq

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    LOL, I wonder if they'll honor purchases bofore they rectified the price??
     
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    Highly doubtful lol
     
  47. lawtq

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    My cousin went ahead and ordered it from sager at the low price, I'll let you lot know how it goes
     
  48. cookinwitdiesel

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    No point now....the opportunity is gone for anyone else to get that deal. But interesting to hear how they handle it
     
  49. lawtq

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    It sure will be interesting, I thought about it but for warranty purposes its too much hassle, my cus is crazy
     
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    I think your cousin better call frank. He may be getting a single gpu and not what hes expecting
     
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