X7200 Pre-sale price is here!

I am certain that the seller reserves the right to cancel the order without warning to cover their a$$ specifically when things like this happen. As long as they refund your money in full they are not really at fault

BBB can't help you there

 

There's nothing to stop people but Sager is already selling this at near rock bottom price, the likelyhood of you winning with that argument is zero because false advertising from my understanding as a pre-law student is when a company intentionally and maliciously advertises a clearly false or misleading product.

In court claiming the company with a buggy configurator that logically accidently priced out for one GPU instead of two would be laughed out of the court by a judge for a claim of malicious false advertisement. The BBB would shoot it down too.

EDIT; Also yes, Scook is correct, companies reserve the worst case scenario right to offer refund if you receive a misadvertised product if it gets that far.

 

I doubt anyone would take all there free time and possibly have to retain a lawyer just to save $750 with the possibility of losing in the end as well...

Most people throw around the word lawsuit but in the end it never amounts to anything more then talk...

 

I hear that word thrown around alot in these forums too which is laughable to say the least. People think we're a nation of litigation but most people don't realize just how hard it is to make a legitimate class action or false misadvertisement lawsuit even get past the first phase.

Even if it does move on, the award is statistically empirically reduced around 1/2 of its original size.

 

The only people throwing around the lawsuit threats are usually the ones who have never been in one lol

 

No, no one would get a lawyer. That defeats the purpose of trying to catch companies making faults. I'm not suggesting anyone should do it, but there are people out there who look for this sort of thing and know how to game the company into giving in. For instance, clipping coupons that don't explicitly state one per customer, taking several of them and demanding the item for free.

 

I was wondering if any who's getting this laptop is also getting a laptop cooler. I plan to just leave it on the coffee table whenever I need to use it. Sooooo I wanted to know if getting a laptop cooler was a good idea or not. Also which one would you get?

 

The NZXT Cryo LX is a long time favorite of many people. It is a little hard to find now but worth it if you can. More important than having fans though, is simply having something to prop the back up to allow good airflow to the intakes on the bottom of the laptop. So having a "stand" is more important than having a "cooler"

The cooling design is excellent as is so you just have to make sure that it has air to work with

 

Ok, then why don't you get your Core i7 940XM to run at the default speed of the 6 core 980X? If you look at the D900F review and see how it performs CPU hungry tasks compared to mobile processor bearing noteoboks then you'd see how much more powerful it is compared to anything else, including the M17x.

Besides desktop CPUs, most notebooks don't have 3 hard drive slots or triple channel memory or easy user upgradeability that doesn't void the warranty etc. Most 17" notebooks have either 1 or 2 HDDs, have a single graphics card solution, most 17" notebooks don't have a full HD screen nor an LED backlit screen but the latter is slowly changing. Though no two notebooks can really be called truly equal, the AW is far more similar to a 17" Asus or even HP than a Clevo.

About the ratio issue, why do you think notebook manufacturers started to make screens at 16:9 ratio as supposed to the traditional 16:10 ratio? My understanding is it's cheaper to manufacture 16:9 ratio screens since they don't have to change that much from the TV LCDs you'd often find that, too, are 16:9.

And you are right about cheap and I apologize for the poor use of terms. I meant to say less expensive. You are right that neither are "cheap" but you're just in denial if you think an AW can come even close to the raw spec power of the D900 series or the X7200. Of course what a spec sheet says doesn't always translate in real world use, but it's a fair baseline to use.

 

This desktop vs mobile CPU i7 debate is the most nauseating thing I've been reading in this thread so far (as if the lawsuit ones weren't tiring enough).

Alienware caters to gamers as it says right on its front page, not CAD renderers; being as such there is almost zero difference between gaming with a desktop i7 and a mobile i7.

 

My co worker has an m17x, uses it for 3d modeling. I have 30 people working in our office 3d design and animation everybody has alienware , clevo and a few workstation class machines. I use a workstation myself.

Also the statement on alienwares website is "The Most Powerful 17” Gaming Laptop in the Universe " I dont think so.

Alienware was great when i used to order them from Miami. Since then forget alienware.

What we need is someone to post some OC benchmarks and clear away all the alienware talk, until dell sell off all the back stock of 5870s and then drop them for 470s.

 

Apparently we are nauseating nobodyshero, so why don't we just agree to disagree lol

 

We have 3 threads full of benchmarks if you need numbers for the AW. DR650e has the best scores so far. It looks like the GTX 480m's will at least match the 5870s, we need to get them in some NBR users hands to push them to their full potential. With the little overclocking Babyhemi did though, it looks promising as he has already about matched the best GPU scores in Vantage for the 5870s.

 

Looks like Speedy Dropped out of the X7200 race after finding out about the delay today so maybe someone will get the machine and push it to the limits like he wanted to (to a degree)..

 

He canceled his order. Are you sure its not got to do with that vid of the single 480m running 20fps in mafia 2

 

Lol that video was wrong and ill leave it that ...

He owned a D900F so he knows exactly how well the 480m performs ...

He canceled purely because of the Delay and nothing more...

 

No worries then, means he will have one when they are available again lol

 

Ok, i have a question.

Since i', from europe i'm gonna end up ordering from mysn.de or kobalt. It depends.

If i get it with the optional internal tv tunner (this option is available at mysn.de) is the catv jack connected to said tunner ?

Also, i have noticed, on sager website, at the gallery, that in fron of the laptop there is a infrared port, they say, enabled with optional tv tunner. Does this mean that if i get the tv tunner option, the catv jack will be connected to the tunner, and the infrared port as well ? Will the infrared act as a remote control point for the tunner ?

Will i get a remote ?

Also, is the european version gonna have hdmi in ?

It would be nice to make the x7200 a portable tv. And it's nice that it has a fron infra red port to use remote controls. I sure hope it works.

Maybe best is to ask my sn.de about the tv tunner optionen.

However, i'm gonna wait until some other gpus are gonna be available in the x7200. The 480m SLI is a wallet cracker.

 

Mafia II 1920x1080:

Ultra without AA : 27fps
Ultra without PhysiX: 27fps
Ultra without AA & Physix: 40fps

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Much better score without AA, how much AA was used to get 27fps?

You only really need 2xAA most of the time anyway

 

AA is only about ON/OFF

OFF ~ 27fps

 

Hey, do you have the front infrared port ? It's on the oposite side of the wifi battery led. It should be a irda port there. Is it ?

 

Yes it has

 

These scores are not that great at all. my own 4870 cf alienware owns these scores and my machine is 3 yrs old. My son plays MAfIA 2 all day long its his favourite game so much experience on this.

You have to remember Mafia 2 is not even high graphics, its direct 9 so this is very poor.

@upper1 you have METRO you can bench.

 

wow, your machine with 4870cf is 3 yrs old? may be you have a magic to build the machine that just 1 yrs old 3 year before now

 

updated vid cards from dell after lawsuit on faulty unit. its 3 yrs old.
As per dell no driver support and some dumb A## reading an answer book for customer support.\

This is not important the fact I owned it nearly 3yrs and i need to pay 4k to get results not that much better.

I want to see 465 desktop scores or this machine is a joke. We should all wish evga would get into the mobile card biz never happen

 

EVGA selling cards would not fix the problem. We need better power supplies and cooling. With adequate voltage and cooling these will match desktop 465 cards

So unless evga makes an entire laptop (Which I would be ok with) the problem will linger

 

Did you on AA and physx for mafia 2? Oh, wait, your card don't even have physX option. As said earlier, it's because the physX effects are turned on, turning it off yields major performance boost. You owned it for 3 years but you updated it with GPU that's 1 year old, that isn't saying much. It's just like if I had my 8690 2 year ago, which is around when it's released, updated it with 5870MR, and say that another laptop just released can't even match my 2 years old laptop, how much sense does it make?

 

You have a very good point fzhfzh, how the hell do I pronounce your name?????

 

The point being made here is the laptop is old and it compares when this is supposed to be latest and greatest. I would assume massive gains over my dual core dell with 5870s

If your running teh game without physx WHY BUY 480M just use ati and save 1500 bucks. Thats a dumb thing, bench 480m with physx off.

I guess I am on the wrong thread I was thinking we where trying to get some sick benchmarks from a system that has been hyped for almost a yr.

Sick to me is physx on, this is why ATI sucks no physx and you lose half the game effect lame.

Evga make cards that are OC and picked for performance i think this is what is needed for the 480m. My 480m evga ssc cards kill my brothers asus

 

All EVGA is doing is factory overclocking them...it is the EXACT same over clock you can do yourself.

And as for physx, it is cute and all....and a flop. That is why few games incorporate it. Nvidia kept it too proprietary for developers to bother incorporating it in games. MOST games use cpu driven physics designed into the various 3d engines being used.

 

Dude, you sound almost like that guy who was banned not long ago,... Freedom16?

 

I really do not get what you are trying to say now. So is it a 5870MR XF or 4870MR XF now?

The game was benched with phsX effect off in previous posts, and it showed almost 50% performance gain. Why buy 480M in the first place if you don't use physX effects? For the choice of less frame rate for more effects? Just like how comparing the bench for dirt 2 on one notebook that support directx 11 and one that doesn't, with tessellation on doesn't make much sense?

Also, do realize that it's the GPU that matters most in 3rd person shooter games and benches like vantage, and a system revamp only updates the GPU support and CPU support. And since we are talking about a 3rd person shooter bench, I doubt your dual core is bottlenecked to be of much point anyways. So the only comparison left is the 4870MR XF/ 5870MR XF vs 480M SLI. The previous 2 ATI cards are 1 year/half year old respectively, how much performance gain do you expect? Do you see 5870MR overtaking 280M by 50% or something?

 

I expect to see this


my alienware gets 25fps in mafia 2

Clevo with physx i want 50

The reason I want this is I built a clevo and it came out to 5k with just a extreme cpu and a couple raid ssd standard stuff.

I want to play at least 30 percent of my desktop

mafia 2 with physx 140fps desktop

 

Unless you would expect dual GTX 465 to get about 65 fps, don't expect to get 50 from the GTX 480m SLI setup.....

That is plain and simple

Also, without knowing you desktop setup that number is not very meaningful

 

Physx on or off is merely meant for folks who want a level comparison. Many folks give both scores, because Physx is somewhat popular. I wouldn't worry about it any more than that.

 

Um... if your alienware is only getting 25fps with 4870MR XF, as said earlier, without physX effects on X7200's framerate for mafia 2 is 50+FPS. It is already twice of your framerate. Your video card is only 1 year old, how much more do you want?

Can't deny that the price is high, but that's the price to pay if you want top of the line, if you want decent performance/price, just wait for 460/470M.

 

Most of the gains in GPU areas on the desktop have been directly related to simply adding more power to the system. Since that is not as simple to do in the laptop area the gains you'll see in laptops are far slower and less dramatic. However, one 7900Go chip from 4 years ago was a 5k score in 3DM06. Today you can see single chips do 15k+, that is 3x the ability. However once the 4xxx series and the 2xx series came out the gains were much more incremental from then to now.

That means there have been gains but the machine you already have came from a large generation bump in ability and after that machine, the gains have been much smaller. To realize, as an end user, that all those wonderful stories of x% improved performance have resulted in only a few frames that you can't even register, is just one of those painful realizations in life.

 

Desktop

980x / rampage 2 extreme / corsair dom 12gb / tri 480 sli evga
All water cooled I buy all my stuff from performance-pcs and newegg.

I just want a desktop replacement for use in London when I visit family or travel for football games (soccer to yanks). It has to kick a## for 5k

 

Building on what you have said, 06 is not good for gauging performance in modern architectures as they are designed for working with newer features than 06 utilizes. That is why with modern cards you only see incremental increases in 06. A new benchmark like vantage that properly leverages the features of the new cards more appropriately spaces out the scores for the cards. This is why 06 should NOT be used to compare modern video cards. It gives a false impression of performance gains (or lack there of)

 

In that case, 30% of your desktop will only happen once you have overclocked the GTX 480m's to desktop GTX 465 levels. Knowing that this will probably not happen (435 MHz to 607 MHz), you will just have to live with the fact that a top-end desktop will always be a lot stronger than a top-end laptop.....

 

Right... That's as good as saying, I have a compute cluster of 16 cheap computers with core 2 dual, so I expect your 5k desktop with 980X that cost almost the same to be at least 30% the performance in CPU intensive tasks...

 

ok so what your saying is I am SOL and bets advice keep dell until next gen

 

Not so much that you are SOL, just that you have unreal expectations. This is still the most powerful laptop you can get, just not as powerful as you seem to want in a laptop. By the time laptops are where you want today, they will still be equally weak in comparison to desktops that are available then. You are setting yourself up to never be happy.

 

Hey Bwebcoder since you are clearly not impressed with the 480m performance why are you still here ? Surely you have better things to do then come here everyday taking cheap shots at a machine you clearly dont want to buy based on its performance ...

Are you waiting for someone to come along and tell you the machine performs as well as a 465 SLI desktop machine because if you are then its not going to happen.. If people hit those speeds it will be with some hefty overclocking and not for 24/7 use... so again your not impressed with the stock speed of the cards so why do you keep coming back ?..

 

lol exactly what I'm thinking.

 

If he wants to keep complaining, I will keep arguing with him lol

I am pretty sure I am right? (feel free to correct me when needed)

 

You have a point just got high expectations and I cant give it up.
But agreed I give up. I just spoke with a friend in europe and he is gettting this with 470s so I think thats gonna be my move. Ill have one shipped from London.

Save 1000 dollars and performance no difference realy.
I will not argue anymore you guys have been great and I will look for bench and vids but no more comments as it is getting old.

The x7200 is simply not a wow factor and you all agree.

 

It is for me in terms of video editing and so on, as for games, maybe not so much right now. You have a right to your opinion, and big up to you my fellow Londoner

 

No one has the SLI setup yet?