X7200 Pre-sale price is here!

All i want and not my shoes is an e-mail saying your machine will ship (insert Date) it can be November as I have been told on the phone.

I think I am going to cancel and go with baby hemi or notebooks dude.
They will appreciate my bussines I am sure. They where very helpful in PM to me and i went with sager thinking faster MISTAKE !!!

 

I don't think Sager would care, their main business is supplying laptop to other resellers, I don't think they even want to sell to customers directly.

 

by all means go for it. except you know they won't get the laptops before Sager does.

 

You can do whatever you want just don't come here and cry like baby we all been waiting for the laptop months i got my first order cancelled and reorder again and i am not coming here every hour and complain

sorry i don't try to be offensive like i said before

 

But they will answer the phone and reply to e-mails.I have nothing but great things to say about baby hemi and Justin PM answered right away. Call hustady answers phone offers personal service. WOW its all a mistake going direct I will give this advice Buy from a reseller or be ignored.

 

Speedy where you order ?

 

like fzhfzh said, Sager probably doesn't even care about direct business; they get their money from resellers.

 

Sager is not known for great customer support because their main business is supplying to other resellers. It's just like if you try to buy a single laptop from flextronics or clevo directly, they will just ignore you.

 

Let's make a website and start the NBR reselling business guys.

 

From LPC-DIGITAL

 

Thank you very much

 

You do realize Sager is infact a reseller, they are just the top level reseller in the US because Clevo does not want to have to deal with customers like us. The sager/clevo relationship is very similar to the Dell/Flextronics relationship except dell and flex have an exclusivity contract on the design where clevo can sell the design/finished product to whomever they wish.

 

lol their website design is the worst among the resellers... no offense lol

 

Hemi would be my go-to for sure if buying a clevo. He has been a great seller so far for me (wifi and ssd)

 

i know but the website don't reflect their professionalism

 

I have to agree, sorry LPC, the site could be so much better! The customer service, which is the important thing is very high though

 

Any reseller in NY/NJ ?

thxs

 

hahax, yeah i would ops for Sager if They ships and warranties my macchine for 3 or more years..

 

Sager does offer a 3 Year Warranty on all their models.

 

I think her complaint was that it is only 3 years. No more than that

 

Could be, but then that would be a different kind of Dream

 

The X7200 just got added to the Multicom (Norwegian reseller) website and the price difference from 1 x 460M to 2 x 480M is 9800kr which is around 1670 USD.

It does not look like there is an HDMI input if anyone was wondering (And the webcam is set to 3 megapixles ) 12GB of ram is for now the max, and there is no Xeon cpus offered, but they offer it with the Quadro FX3800 as a gpu choice.

Is there any news on when the 3. gen of Intel SSD's will come, and when we will see larger 7200RPM HDD's then 500gb? Also any news on the release date on 470M considering the 460M is here?

 

I like to know can panther 2.0 really do raid 10?

 

Cyber-System (german reseller) is now offering X7200 with an option for a non-glare screen -> Cyber-System :: Notebooks :: Gaming :: Cyber-System Xi17

 

"non-glare" is just fancy marketing talk for Glossy.

If it was MATTE they would say Matte.

 

Excuse my ignorance, but anti-glare (=non-glare) screens are supposed to have glare effects from external light sources reduced, while glossy screens have exact this same problem, they reflect light way too much. Maybe I am getting this whole thing wrong?
However, if you are right that it is pure marketing, then I wonder what is the difference between both screens they offer. I doubt they would offer same screen at two different prices...

 

Non-glare=Anti-glare in computer terminology.
Whoever advertises a glossy screen as non-glare, is false advertising and might get sued for this action.
Also, 60euro price difference is about the price of a cheap anti-glare coating/film/filter.
But I'd email those guys just to make sure. If it's indeed an anti-glare screen with a built-in polarizer and not some cheap shield - I might seriously consider getting one...if those are available here in North America

 

You can't sue someone over some undefined marketing description. Get real...suing someone has to involve a lot more than that.

You have hit is on the head though...it is probably some sort of coating, often referred to as anti-reflective, non-glare, anti-glare or any other derivative you can think of.

Proper computer terminology for a Matte screen is...Matte screen. It doesn't need any other fancy marketing talk. If it is a Matte screen you call it a Matte screen...period!

 

You've just lost my vote, mate.
You should at least have tried researching before answering.
Every encyclopedia would return you that non-glare=anti-glare

BTW, you're right, suing involves a few things, and they would all be present if the company sold a system with a glossy screen advertised as non-glare and then refused a full refund upon request....

 

non-glare is not glossy at all. I cant believe laptop reseller said such a bull.

 

You are still not getting it.

Were you in the business as long as I have been you wouldn't be making statements like that.

Matte is still matte, and even the definition you point to is about glossy screens with anti-reflective coatings...it is not Matte.

Every screen that is advertised with the terms anti-glare or non-glare is talking about a glossy screen with, er...from your dictionary..."A treated glass panel that is placed over a monitor screen to reduce glare. See anti-glare screen."

A matte screen needs no such treatment to reduce glare, and therefore those terms are never used to describe it. They are only used to describe a treated glossy screen.

Speaking of research, see Glossy display - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and Matte Displays - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

It is just a matter of definitions. So everybody should just agree on what they want to tell and anyway the point is about the screen that store is offering.

 

How many years you're in this business, I wonder?

 

Actually, given the price difference of only 60 €, paladin44 most likely has a valid point here that it is still a glossy screen which, however, has been threated to reduce unwelcome light effects. I will go ahead and ask the reseller about the exact nature of this screen and let you guys know.

There is also another interesting thing to notice about that link. Their starting price is ~1600 € with the single GTX285 configuration, which is actually a great price if one is into after-market upgrades and such. Not to mention the fairly trivial point for NBR community that you can always resell the old cpu and gpu to reduce the costs of upcoming upgrades

 

Here, let's play.

Find me a matte, 17.3" 1080p LED notebook screen.

Do they exist, as aftermarket purchases?

How often does a reseller offer something which Clevo itself doesn't?

 

What do I win?

LP173WF1 (TL)(D1) LG Philips 17.3" Full-HD (Matte) (LED backlight) LCD Screens, brand-new for $173 Retail ($156 Wholesale)

Asus G72 17.3" Full-HD (Matte) (LED backlight) LCD Screens, brand-new for $173 Retail ($156 Wholesale)

 

look, I agree with Aikimox here. Just as an example, if you go to configure a MacBook Pro on Apple's website, they give you the option for a Glossy or Anti-Glare screen. If you click the "learn more" button, you'll see some info about them. Here's what it says in regards to "about glossy and antiglare":

"About glossy and antiglare
Choose the glossy widescreen display to make your graphics, photos, and videos appear with richer colors and deeper blacks — great for watching DVD movies. If you prefer a display with antiglare coating for a matte rather than glossy viewing experience, choose the antiglare widescreen display."

There is pretty much no difference between the terms antiglare/non glare and matte. Even if Paladin44 is correct about it just being an aftermarket coating (which it probably just is) it still gives the anti-glare effect with not as rich colors but more effective use in direct light.

Either way it's still a matte if you look at the marketing terms used. And yes, if someone were to call it an antiglare screen but it's glossy, someone could sue. Let's say a major construction company orders a bunch of antiglare notebooks so they could be used during the day while working on a project that's outside. Those notebooks could become EXTREMELY difficult if not impossible to use during the day while outside in strong, direct sunlight which could've screwed the company over thousands of dollars.

I think it very much does matter and Aikimox does have a valid point in regards to the display's type term usage. Whether or not it's just an aftermarket coating, it's still a matte screen and it still very well could make a difference to the buyer/s.

 

Great theorizing, but still not accurate.

Just take a look at the Matte screens found by Phinagle. No where in their description are non-glare, anti-glare, anti-reflective or any other adjectives used. This is because they are totally unnecessary for a Matte screen. It only takes one word...Matte.

Notice also that even the Mac quote you use doesn't say it is a Matte screen, it says it has an "... antiglare coating for a matte rather than glossy viewing experience..." Just another way to say it is a glossy screen with the coating to make it more like a Matte screen.

You guys can fall for all these marketing words if you like. It just shows you how these marketing guys can use words to convince you that something is what it is not. Or, you can be skeptical of anything that is called anything except exactly what it is.

That is the beauty of the single, totally descriptive word Matte. It needs no adjectives or other words to tell you what it is. Had the Mac screen been Matte, they would have said it was a Matte screen...not a screen with an antiglare coating that makes it more like a matte rather than glossy viewing "experience".

Is it chocolate...or is it chocolate flavor? Is fur, or is it fur-like?

Bottom line is it is either Matte or it is not. If it is Matte, then just like the screens Phangle linked to, it just says Matte. Anything else is a glossy screen with some sort of treatment to make it more Matte-like.

 

No matter what is under the coating. When you take a look at it you see it is not glossy but more matte so lets assume its MATTE. It might be glare under the coationg but who cares what is not visible, ITs matte because it looks like it is and this is what matters- to me.

When I show my new laptop to my friend and ask him if the display is matte or glossy what will he say? "It is not as glossy as mine bro. I think its matte screen due to no reflections". No matter what technology is inside. I would say is will be matte because screen looks like matte one and does sell collours to me like the matte one and its experience is compared to matte LCD.

 

But if you look at every review of the MacBook, they refer to the "antiglare screen" as the matte screen. The point of what we're saying is it gives the effect, even if it's just aftermarket. It's like calling a food creamy even if there isn't any cream whatsoever in the ingredients. Either way it gives the matte experience even if it's artificial/aftermarket.

If someone got an antiglare screen that clearly gives glare, it is false advertising. The thing is, what would you call a screen that doesn't glare but isn't matte? To my knowledge, the term for a screen that doesn't glare and the term matte are interchangeable even if it isn't technically matte. It's kind of like calling an inline skate a Rollerblade even if it isn't made by Rollerblade.

In regards to false advertising, if you call something "chocolate flavored" but doesn't taste like chocolate at all, it's false advertising. You can have chocolate flavored candies that have no chocolate in them whatsoever, but they're still chocolate flavored candies. If you have a chocolate flavored candy but it doesn't taste like chocolate at all, you can sue. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know something tastes blueberry and not chocolate. It's the same with anti-glare screens; if you have a screen that's advertised as anti-glare but it clearly glares like the average glossy screen in direct light, you do have a case.

Matte screens and antiglare/antiglossy/nonglare/nonglossy have pretty much become interchangeable, like Rollerblades and inline skates have. If you want to be all technical then you probably have a case. But it has the same exact effect as a matte screen so we classify it as a matte. Either way, it's advertised as nonglare and Sager doesn't offer that and that's all that matters to some people.

 

hummm, did this guy get his or what?

and like bwebcoder said in many of his...ummmm...post...lol
4 resellers got them already and no one else...looks to be about right.
lol

 

It's official, I can't tell which are the idiots and which are arguing with the idiots.

 

Hah. I was thinking the exact same thing, it's a jaded, pragmatic reseller vs an idealistic and good hearted person, both have good points IMO though.

This type of clarification in legal sense would be legimate in an administrative court where if you find the right judge with expertise, but a regular federal or state judge not versed in manufacturing parts would probably just throw it out out of anger or ignorance. U.S. only, sorry Aikimox still not familiar with Canadian provincial law yet

 

It seems that no matter what is the sinonym of the non-glare every store means something else.

 

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A wise and prudent course for all. LOL. Meanwhile, Arkansas is kicking (No. 1) Alabama's behind in the third quarter.

 

As long as you argue with idiots then you are also an idiot.

 

That's wrong in so many ways its shameful. The perpetuation of disinformation itself is done through allowing people who falsely depict something without anyone to argue how it's false. Just letting them be on their way, with no one to challenge their false conclusions is how any community whether social or scientific, stagnates or declines.

While it seems to me there was no definitive winner in the matte debate, both Aikimox and Paladin taught me more then I probably ever wanted to know about matte screens since I more or less don't care for them

 

I made a huge effort to stay away from this debate. Don't tempt me to get back there,lol.

Can someone who speaks German, ask that reseller about the non-glare screen specs? I'm interested to know, whether or not it's the same panel with a AG filter/shield or a proper anti-glare screen with a built in polarizer.
If it's the former, - then I'd stay away from those, as one of the major downsides of external films/filters is a significant brightness&contrast reduction. Also, it adds some graininess.
But there is a proper AG screen for the system (especially if its brightness is 250nits+), it could be interesting...

 

Why no one reads my posts?! I feel so ignored on that forum lol. Anyways, probably they won´t answer till Monday (it´s weekend here and europeans value their free time more than everyone else ).