X7200 Pre-sale price is here!

If they can make a simple to use USB 3.0 external graphics mechanism, they will have ALOT of business from the notebook world coming their way (then the issue will become powering the cards, I see no way around needing another AC adapter lol)

 

I am not sure whether I should laugh or cry... I don´t get it. How could they have omitted to add the new ExpressCard slot. It offers a hell lot of expansion options for just everything.

 

There are ExpressCard external readers that are USB that some are using...


Buy.com - Siig USB to ExpressCard Adapter

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But a big part of the appeal of the expresscard slot is that it is practically internal to the laptop. (and a great place to store a remote lol)

Using the USB solution might as well just be USB then....no point even going for expresscard

 

I guess you just can't put everything in one laptop?

 

I would have to say that all things considered, the M17x is feeling like one of the most complete laptops I have ever used. The only thing you could complain about on it is the lack of USB 3.0 but I am confident the next generation of Alienwares will definitely have that as the rest of dell's lineup is already updated.

 

Yes, of course. It is not a deal-breaker in any case. But it would have been nice to have an additional pci-e slot connected directly to the mobo. And it´s not exactly like X7200 wouldn´t have the room for that. But you are right: when some of us are considering external graphics solutions, why should an external ExpressCrad be out of question

 

To be honest, if it wasn´t for the glossy screen, I was almost about to buy one with the CF 5870. But not anymore...

ROFL, I haven´t thought of it as a place to store a remote until now. As for the USB 3.0, I was wondering why manufacturers put only 1-2 USB 3.0 and all the rest are USB 2.0, when USB 3.0 is backwards compatible. If I am not wrong, the X7200 is the first laptop to implement 2 USB 3.0 ports. I guess it is partly related to power consumption, which would mean that USB 2.0 is still future-proof

 

Ya that has been the only real common complaint. It is a nightmare trying to use the laptop outside at all haha

 

Don't get me started, lol
My brand new replacement M17X is still in the box for that reason
Dunno, whether to sell it or tear the lid apart and remove the glass cover....
Dammmn it

 

Someone know a reseller that would do a trade-in for my W870 ? I want a X7200 barebone or a simple setup (285gtx and 950)

 

That would be ebay......unless you are within your return window

 

^^^^Also right here on the forum marketplace, the W870CU sells pretty well...

 

Hi Guys I got important question.

I am advising my friend about X7200 config.
We are hesitating betwee Core i7 980X 3.33GHz and Xeon X5680 3.33GHz.
Here is head to head comparison.
Compare Intel® Products

I would like to know what these differences mean in real world

1) XEON has QPI=2, Core i7 only QPI=1

2) Memory Types DDR3-800/1066/1333 for XEON
and for Corei7 DDR3-1066. This means 1333MHz for Core i7 980X is a waste?

3) TCASE

XEON =78.5°C
Core i7 =67.9°C

What is Tcase? Which one will run cooler and which of these will be downclocking sooner in case of overheating.

4) Which one would you pick (price is no matter here) with GTX 480M SLi and 24GB of RAM.

Thank you very much. Resellers answers are appreciated !!!

 

QPI=2 just means that on server boards you can have 2 of those cpus installed. In a single socket motherboard it is irrelevant.

The supported memory speeds are not that important as you can override this anyways. Get the 1333 (which the 980x can properly support anyway)

Tcase is the recommended temperature to try to keep the cpu under. The xeons are validated at a higher temperature since they are often deployed in data centers that are much hotter than ambient in a normal room (the one where I work is normally 90f vs 70f in a normal room)

Definitely get the GTX 480m since it looks like money is not an issue. As for the ram, I would get 6 GB of quality ram (HyperX is the best for laptops right now) unless you specifically know that you will need more than that.

 

^^ and also, if you're buying it from Eurocom - be careful and read the customer feedback.

 

True that, you will be better served going with other resellers most likely.

 

They are that bad eh

 

Ask Crylo haha

He has a whole thread about them

 

Thank you for the anwer scook9.

The only thing that seems important is Tcase.
According to how I understand you Core i7 980X should be running at max temperature of 67.9°C ? What happen if temp raise up to 75C?

Also Xeon has higher thermal spec so Tcase 78.5°C = better ? Will eventually downclock later?

From what I remember by reading Gophns review Core i7 run about 80C while stressing and Tcase of it is 67.9C. I am completely lost

PS: Which cpu would you pick? Yes money is not matter here. His company will buy it for him (some nuclear stuff, nasa etc.. crazy )

 

Tcase is pretty much a recommendation. The chips will fun up to about 100c without issue. I would not run them that hot for very long but they can take it. Somewhere around 100 they will throttle down or just shut off to avoid damage (computer parts should not be able to boil water ). It is safe to exceed Tcase although this should pretty much not happen unless you overvolt the CPU (which you would only do if overclocking). For this laptop I would say just get the 980x as it will offer the unlocked multiplier. If you are bclk pumping then the x5680 might be better but the difference between them would not be realized in a laptop. Xeons tend to run a little hotter (more current I think) as well.

 

I will suggest 980X probably Thank you. REp+

 

BTW, just noticed that all desktop i7 quads have a T-case (67-72C) while the mobile counterparts have only T-junction (100C) values instead. Why wouldn't they show T-case for laptops unless Intel screwed up the mobile CPU's by making them run too hot and thus decided not to post the T-case, since every i7-quad is pretty much beyond 67C during load.

 

The desktop parts have the same Tjunction, they just are not listing it. Get one up to 100c and you will see what I mean haha

It was never a secret that the mobile i7 parts would be hot. They are all spec'd at 45W like the Core 2 Extreme parts

 

Yes, but my question is - whether we are screwed with our quads, or maybe Intel designed them with higher T-case in mind (T-case~=T-junction)?

 

You should be fine....if you have not seen that yet I do not know what to tell you haha

At what temperature are the quads throttling right now? Probably need to ask someone like DR650se or 5150Joker or Stamatisx as they have all thoroughly pushed their quads

 

Not that I have any issues with it (my 840QM is not going past 70C with a manual fan control and good paste job), but reading reviews when most cheap machines are actually letting the CPU's hit 100C+ on medium load,...scary.

 

That extra cooling is why I will always be ok with the size and price of a highend laptop

 

Notebookcheck review of x7200

140nits is low...I'd not be able to use it in my office

 

I noticed that too. 140nits is WAY too low. I am not sure how is that possible with LED-backlights at all

 

REview summary: low quality display, very loud, turning off under the load. Ru kiddin me?

 

Where did you see this? <<<<<<<<<< edit - got it.....
If true, that's a serious issue (probably power related, PSU?)

CONs:
Heavy & bulky housing
- High temperature development
- Insufficient battery life
- Very loud
- Crashes at full load
- Power off at full load

 

I DO NOT see, hear, or feel any of this in my personal x7200....

 

Well, the screen should be great if used in dim lighting conditions or total darkness, and seeing the videos, that's exactly your case.
But many will want this to be used at work in brightly lit office, and in that case 140nits + glossy = fiasco.

Also, BabyHemi, you are probably not running Prime95+Furmark(Hot as Hell) on it for hours
True gamers/enthusiasts will do things like that, they will OC' both CPU and GPU's and even try to overvolt...
But already we can see that the 300W PSU might be not enough even for a stock load (full load)

 

If the same negative review will appear on NBR site (or any other site we can trust) I will fly to Asia and personally KICK CLEVO's CEO big time!

 

Would you tell us if you did? It's like asking a used car salesman if the car he's selling is defective.

Some snippets from the review:

*NOTE: The M17x-R2 display is ~320 nits in contrast*.

The M17x is also guilty of being loud under load so I guess they share a similar trait in that regard. I'm willing to bet the X7200 would be a lot quieter with a pair of 460M or 5870s.

 

This is actually kind of fun: one could use it only in total darkness because of the screen, however the keyboard is unfortunatey not backlit... You either can see, but not type, or you can type, but not see Food for trolls and Clevo haters.

 

Do not buy it if you feel it is defective.

So far, to me, it is the most solid, quality feel and all around performing Clevo model I have ever put my hands on, and there has been quite a few models I have used over the last few years.

Does it have a world class RGB display? No. Does it have a decent sized power brick? No. Does it have at least an hour battery life? No, most probably not....

To me, the great qualities of this system DOES, out weigh the bad...

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Maybe you should reconsider selling the M17X, M8?

 

Oh I'm not selling it to get the Clevo I just need a thin and light notebook for the next few months because I'm starting clinical rotations in Michigan. I'll get the M17x-R3 or whatever they release in 2011

 

Yeah, I was surprised to see your system in the marketplace, but now I get the point. Was going to sell my M17X since I'm not using it, but...just can't depart with the best laptop ever.
Maybe, I'll find a way of modding the IPS panel connectors, get another lid of eBay and make a franken-ship...

 

An alien that is also a frankenstein monster... Lol, that sounds like a low-budget movie

I am too curious what AW is going to release in 2011, especially now when I am reading that second review on the X7200 screen... I hope though that this will be sorted out somehow. I wonder is there any chance to see a true desktop replacement notebook (by this I mean with desktop cpu) from AW?

 

I wouldn't count on AW releasing a desktop CPU notebook. It just doesn't fit with their mobile gaming image. Plus we've just witnessed how limiting that desktop CPU can be to a system's PSU. I doubt AW would be willing to make the same mistake or have to rely on a PSU that's bigger than the system itself. Just not a very sensible design approach IMO.

Ha yeah that would be an interesting franken-alien. I'm going to miss this M17x though, it's the best notebook I've ever owned. I'm looking at an HP Envy 14 right now but those things run hot from what I've read. Maybe I'll hold out for Dell's new Studio XPS line.

 

How about a non-glare screen? (I know they are currently using the matte RGB screen behind a protective glass in M17, which causes the glare effects).

 

One of the Dell reps on NBR said they will consider offering that as an option in the future. Anyway, we're going OT so lets just stick to x7200 talk. I think the perfect combo for this machine will be a 470M SLi + desktop CPU. The 480M is too much of a power hog. I'm even left wondering if the 470M SLi will suck too much power.

 

funny thing is, any of you guys never trusted notebookcheck review. when it come to the system that will be the most powerful and your system become the second in class, you trusted that review from the site that you've ever told it suck in reviewing. if you read the whole review, they said this is the pre release model and panel on this laptop too low becaue varient of manufacturer. have you seen any complaint about owner here in the shut down problem even at stock clock?

 

First, grammar check. Second, we have not heard from any non resellers that have the dual GTX 480m configuration yet.

 

Notebookcheck's reviews are halfway decent. It's their GPU database that's not reliable for performance information.

 

thanks scook english is not my first language

edit2 : Stormknight has dual gtx480 configuration and he don't have any problem with his (except f_cking hot from 1 gpu)

 

There are certain things that make you worry, especially when you're about to spend 5k on a laptop.
If you haven't noticed, most of the people here posting benches and first impressions - are resellers! The actual owners are quite silent.
When it comes to Notebookcheck, one has to realize how to read their reviews. They have a mixed benches scores (3DMark06/Vantage/etc) because of mixing everything into one huge pile and takes some navigating to see what makes sense and what doesn't. But they do have a very decent screen testing, as well as stability and power related analysis.

I agree that the panel is probably defected, but even if it wasn't so - 180nits is too low for a glossy screen. My anti glare IPS is 210nits and I think it has ~10-20% reserves (at least to my eyes). A glossy panel would have to be around 250nits minimum to be acceptably viewable in my office (that's the level set my M17X for such an environment - regular office lighting conditions)

The power off is a total disaster if true. But frankly, neither of us would easily accept a 300W brick to handle 400W of load....