X7200 Pre-sale price is here!

I don't much understand the partial secrecy of the x7200 (No official photos, no real coverage besides basic specs). Do you think the display models are prototypes and they are are planning to change the design a bit before releasing the final product?

 

It's mostly done to build anticipation and gauge consumer interest-

 

Damn mandrake what happened why do you have a m15s now? Don't like the driver support that one we will get now for the 5870's?

 

Maybe. It's definitely one way to go about building anticipation, however, I'm not sure many people know about it at all. Engadget, Gizmodo, Slashgear etc. have yet to mention anything. Sager and Xoticpc do not mention anything either and Google searches mostly point here at notebookreview.

I know I'm anticipating it but I don't think that much of a fuzz has been done about the x7200 or any of the new laptops by Clevo on the intranets compared to lets say the M17x by Alienware. I guess I found that a bit strange.

 

I sincerely hope this is true.

 

Neither Sager nor Clevo puts much effort (or could be budget constraints) in promotions. But this strategy is consistent along with other vendors (MSI, Asus, Dell, etc). The worst case scenario is they back out (highly unlikely) or delay the release of the x7200. Do not underestimate the viral effect of the internet. The market (gamers, hard core enthusiasts, power users) this is being targeted to is definitely watching (and itching to get their hands on the x7200).

 

It is ...

You can dig through old 9262 threads and there were people who replaced there screens on those machines (same chassis etc)...

They make some real nice 16:10 screens but you will have to do some serious digging to find out model numbers and such...

 

Thanks, Quad!
I'm on it.

 

I have a Clevo d901c and there are plenty of replacement screens for that model on ebay. I think the d900f has the same screen specification so this link might help,

NEW CLEVO PORTANOTE D901C 17" LCD SCREEN MATTE - eBay (item 200463603103 end time Jun-19-10 12:01:22 PDT)

 

Please don't put XoticPC on the same level as Sager.

 

Again, I sure like the style of the x7200 more than the D900F. We do need some better pics though...

 

Thats the first pic i have seen showing just how THICK it is ..

 

too thick for me and too expensive, will stick with the x8100

 

Agreed, too thick for me as well, I don't want a DTR that thick.

 

DAT CHASSIS

I'd like to see a W870CU, sitting next to a W880CU.

 

When i first saw that pic i thought maybe they had something underneath it like a cooler ...


Well its the first notebook with a basement built in ...





Looks like Hothardware got some better scores in Vantage ?..

http://hothardware.com/News/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-480M-Powered-Notebook-Sneak-Peek/

 

Thanks for the link! Looks like it's easier than I thought, hehe.

 

Well...think about it. Your designing a laptop to run the fastest consumer desktop CPU the Intel Core i7-980X Extreme Edition and at the same time able to run SLI nVIDIA GeForce GTX 480M's with 2GB GDDR5.
I don't think you could make it any thinner and still handle the cooling that it needs. Do you?

 

This is why I think Clevo isn't publicizing the x7200 more. First, they want to sell out their inventory of the d900f that the x7200 will replace. If they start pushing the x7200 now, customers who would have otherwise bought the d900f will wait for the x7200 and Clevo will have to deeply discount their remaining d900f's.

Also, if they created more demand for the latest greatest notebook, anyone who wanted one fast might prefer to buy an Alienware M17X now instead of wait for an x7200. In general, why spend a lot on advertising a notebook that you can't deliver?

During the 80's a fast growing personal computer company, I think it was Osborne, went broke because they announced a new generation of computer. Everyone stopped buying the current computer and waited for the new one.

 

Doesnt mean we cant poke fun at its hugeness ....

I agree though that its going to need ALOT of breathing room so better it be thick and cool vs thin and hot.... Even with all that extra space in the trunk it will still probably run a tad warm seeing how much hardware is packed in that small space...

 

One nice bonus of heavy and thick chassis - you can always hit your enemies with it and it will only require a single "light touch" to make them go down

 

This is why I'm not too impressed with the GTX480m (yes, I understand it has to do with the extreme processor as well). I mean, what will happen a year from now when both NVIDIA and AMD release a card much faster than the GTX480m, runs cooler, but now you're stuck with a vault of a computer?

Or is this the start of a new trend toward bigger and bulkier DTR notebooks?

It would be interesting to see how other vendors will respond.

 

Yeah thats the catch of having the new hot(pun)tech... Big and hot at first till they can shrink it then of course these cards will go in much smaller machines and run much cooler....

Me personally i would never want a machine this thick ... W90 was the biggest machine i have owned and it was huge, next would have to be the M17x which was not so much big but just feels like a boat anchor ...

Either way if your going to get a machine that can handle 2 cards its going to be fairly large though and heavy but since this is sporting the desktop CPU it needs even more room to breathe...

I move my machines around a fair amount so id prefer something about half this thick which the W8760 and the G73 were perfect for.... The M17 was another machine i loved considering it was Xfire yet weighed only 8 pounds but did run on the toasty side....

 

What's your current system/s?

 

Right now just my desktop(2x5870s [email protected] 6gb RAM 256gb Patriot Torx SSD to name off the important stuff ... Not sure whats next though...

 

M17X? X7200?
I'm currently searching as well. AW is a nice system but...
Will give a try to Elitebook 8740w and see if their full metal jacket is paired with performance and stability.
I've been always looking at Clevo's but there's something about each model that prevents from saying "That's it!"

 

M17x was amazing but WAYYYY to loud for gaming .... Its about 10x louder then my desktop lol and thats not my idea of a laptop so if they ever release a quiet edition i might be interested again because i loved everything else about it but that ... I had the R1 and R2 and both were leaf blowers ...

That Elitebook looks very nice and what ever my next machine might be it will be another single card machine because quite frankly every single SLI/Xfire machine has issues and i know this X7200 will have them as well be it power issues or heat etc... The X7200 does look amazing from a tech standpoint though and surely has my interest peaked but there is no way i would ever dump that kind of coin on 2 video cards in a laptop ... Just MHO and not offending anyone i hope ...

 

I still think the x7200 is going to be an excellent seller and a hot item at least until SB gets fully out with it's high end CPU's in Q2 2011. Remember again it is only 11.6lbs, which is about the same as the M17x correct? I was able to move my M17x around pretty well last summer. I had the R1. Of course it may help that I have big hands and I am 6 '3...

 

Yeah, M17X is far from being silent, especially after the last BIOS update, the fans kick in to 100% right after pressing the power button and it feels like the system is about to lift off
8740w has the 480M option , BTW. It will be available starting from July.

With the amount of issues I had with CF/SLI for the past year - I'm leaning towards the single GPU systems as well.

X7200 looks very tempting, except for the absence of matte screen option, but if like you said, it's not too difficult to replace it, I might consider getting the beast with a single card.

 

It will be an excellent seller and machine no doubt...

You are right they are similar in weight but sometimes shape can make things a tad different as well ... Not slamming on your precious though since i know you have your heart set on it so im not hear to rain on the parade so to speak just telling it like i see it is all ...

Im not a little guy either but the word mobile can mean different things to different people ...

 

X7200 will use the same 16:9 screens that the W870CU has so your options will be less ...

You were speaking of the D900f before though and there are TONs of screens for that machine since its 16:10 and those have been around forever and a day...

I did not know the 8740 was getting the 480m though so thats interesting..

I am more anxious about temps right now then even the performance of the 480m because if the cards are scorching hot then well yeah not good ... The desktop cards are firestarters so that has me thinking they might run on the hotside of things but one thing i can be certain of is that Clevo will have the coolest running cards since they love Copper so much ...

 

16:9 is a fail, especially for those who work with code (me ).
I'm sure more options (matte) will appear later on, but at least it won't be as impossible as replacing the M17X panel
After following Witcher's thread, I've given up trying to turn it into a matte screen. Might as well listen to Soviet's advice and rub the E2E with a sandpaper, hehe.

8740w is getting a Quadro-variant of 480M but there's a hope that 480M will work as well as 5870.
I've seen their heatsinks and am quite confident about the temps. Someone ran the Furmark Hot as Hell (5870) and stayed under 75C during 12min, with ambient 23C.
Also, it's getting an IPS 30-bit screen - 50 times more colors than my M17X's RGB LED.
Anyway, will probably get mine around mid July (and I'm one of the first who ordered) and then make a review.
So far it is mostly a speculation.

 

I know you wouldn't rain on my parade. BTW, it is not set in stone that I'm getting this beast. If between now and July sometime something else catches my eye I may pass on it. I am not totally sure that something else is not on the radar for this summer. There may be a surprise by August that I don't know about...

 

The m17x is just way way too loud at times, running R1 with single gpu, even right now the thing is running ridiclously loud and i just have my monitor hooked up to it and damn its getting a bit annoying how its so loud. I am a small guy so you guys of course are bigger than me and i just can't handle taking this around, my precision m6400 and my G73JH can be taken around easily. I really do hate the screen on it just not bright enough crazy contrast though, but i am happy that was the best Asus could produce much better than before. Well this thing is just slightly too thick but then we have to remember its for gaming but if clevo can do it so can dellienware! When i get back my G73JH i don't know what to do either sell my G73JH or trade for a 17.3 clevo or a 15.6 one the NP8670 either or forget the name, do want a D900F a lot. That 15.6 machine is very powerful and has amazing cooling someone ran furmark for over 10 mins and never went above 72C 5870M so i they can do it so can dell! I have never used sli or cross-fire before so i don't know if i ever will try it. So Aikimox your getting rid of your m17x? Also damn Hemi your a really tall guy. Also another thing with alienware is in the owners lounge sometimes boy can they be rude. I also might get a Elitebook 8740W myself due to the screen never seen DC before. I do want to see gameplay performance also.

 

My girlfriend wants my M17x, so I'm going to sell it to her for a good price. I'm also going to move to a single GPU laptop and pick up a barebones W880CU when it's available. I was thinking of the X7200, but it'll be too expensive and too thick for me, so I'm going to take a pass on it. I'll be buying an Alienware Aurora base desktop and upgrade parts later as I see fit. Love the Aurora case, it's reasonably priced, water cooling included and I'm too lazy to build my own, so it works out for me. Plus I can use the case a few years down the road for a "from the ground up" custom build.

 

lol well i guess you can go for that then. Most games ultilize single gpus anyway but always better to have two anyway, i just never experienced one before and i do have a machine that can take up to 2 of them. Anyway, after what i am seeing and hearing i think i will avoid two gpus maybe maybe not idk.

 

Quadro-variant of 480M will cost about 1500-2000+ USD it self !!!!

 

Not if you know how to flash it from 480M
Plus, you can get it for free if you have a good warranty and your rep is customer oriented

 

Just a VBIOS flash is not possible to convert a GeForce to Quadro....

 

What else do you need? It's a same physical card.

 

Not in all cases, but in a lot of cases it can. The major difference is usually in the support and software.

 

For early cards like NV30 NV40 just use a Quadro BIOS and a solder you can easily change a GeForce to Quadro with all OpenGL support in drivers. That time the difference between the 2 cards are the VBIOS and the Hadrware ID in PCB through different combinations of resisters. Later cards NV also locked the Quadro identification in the die itself, so havn´t found a way to unlock it to a fully operational Profi card.....
If you just flash a Quadro VBIOS, yes the card will be recognized as a Quadro but after driver install man still get the game settings option in driver menu, not the 3D App, Autodesk etc.....Of course hack the drivers may be also a way....

 

There's ways to hack lots of it in the BIOS. Tricky stuff, but its quite possible to get a lot of the quadro benefits without ever touching the hardware, at least on some cards

If you're a dev on a limited budget its better than a kick in the teeth!

 

As well as the fact that nvidia sealed off some of the pipeline of the geforce version as well such that the quadro version has more pipelines.

ATI cards are much easier to mod to their FirePro version, just that ATI's FirePro cards don't fetch nearly as high a premium as Quadro do.

 

Wow, the x7200 is very very thick. I can't wait to see it's cooling setup.

 

Thanks for the explanation! +1

 

Please remember that the Clevo x7200 dimensions are 16.5" x 11.26" x 2.4" and only 11.6lbs. Almost no difference from the M17x size. The pictures make it look thicker and bigger than it really is.

 

The thickest part of the m17x is 2.11" and the thinnest part 2.02". I don't know which part of the x7200 the 2.4" have been measured from but looking at it I would say (and maybe be wrong) its thinnest part. I would safely say that this machine is indeed a big boy, from then on its all preferences. I wouldn't mind having the x7200 if it ends up being a good machine.l

 

They will always give the height of the thickest part, what's the point of giving the dimensions for the thinnest part anyways.

 

What are we thinking the price will be on this big puppy? I understand that Eurocom overprices these listings usually. Babyhemi any clues???