XoticPC to offer Pre-Order of GTX 280M

He said there is no info on upgrading right now, just the new units get the 280m.

 

^For existing orders customers will get updates on the switchover and your refund. Feel free to email in if you have any questions. Individual GTX 280M information is not available yet.

 

Any pics of both nividia cards?

 

No pics yet

 

Sure, here you go :

 

^^Ah. I like how the naming scheme goes with the performance increase over the 9800M GTX.

 

Yea, from rofl to lol ,sounds totally logical to me

 

so the Clevo NP5797, it has a MXM 3.0 right? so does that mean I can update it in the future?

 

MXM 3.0 isn't even backward compatible, so the 5797 has to be MXM 2.1 to be using the MXM-IV 9800M GTX.

 

but then how is it using the GTX 280m? this is confusing...

 

Would be awesome if it would require a new mobo too

 

It could be just like ATi has with the Mobility 4870, where there's 3.0 and 2.1 versions of the cards. At least I hope.

I think horrifying is the better word.

 

well apparently the 5796 isn't like the d901c....last time i checked, it showed the gtx280m with the knotch in the center just like the 4870's or are they making them just like the 9800m models? thought that was type b....

 

I'm just waiting for the GTX 260 in the NP8660. Too bad PNB and XOTICPC haven't heard of anything yet.

 

That's just about right.

I know my Dell M6400 with Quadro 3700 (which is what the 280M basically is, just shrunk and clocked a bit higher), scores 12.1k in 06 with a QX9300 which I found wickedly impressive for a single card solution.

 

run that same test again, but run your quad in dual core mode..and watch the score difference.

 

I would if I could, but my M6400 is history.

I wish this puppy came in a barebones.....

Ah well...

 

aaah, mah bad. thought you still had it tucked away some where.

 

I noticed on Xotic's webpage they say X9100 can be OC'd, but there is no indication if the QX9300 can be OC'd?

Does the NP5797 have bios settings for multiplier OC? FSB OC? Both? Or is it a "turbo" function?

Thinking a QX9300 @ 3ghz with the GTX280M would be rather lovely.

Plus my confidence in ATI's drivers is rather lacking atm. The 4870's seem to be going through the same issues as Whitebook owners went through for some time, and there isn't a decent time table on the GDDR5 4870's and I'm not exactly doing backflips about an OC'd 4850 passing off as a 4870.

 

That would be funny as hell if clevo really did change over to using mxm 3.0. Considering how people praised mxm IV for being the new standard. I think this explains why mxm IV was never officially announced.

 

Being a little hypocritical are we? What's Nvidia been doing the past year? Yep. OC with a rebrand.
Not to make it sound like I'm being harsh, but it sounds like you think ATI is the only one doing it. At least they have the decency to not rename it to fool stupid users who think "ZOMG! 280M is newer than 9800M, it must be better11111!!!!12"

 

I said *drivers*, not *hardware*.

Then again, what is hardware without software, eh?

That is also why I'd contemplate a M17/Whitebook since the drivers have matured enough (oh, X months later). As good as the 280M is, it still loses to a 3870 Xfire config (as it should).

And if you check some of my other messages, you see I called Nvidia out for rebranding instead of innovating, but I've used their GTX 280M before via 3700 and it provided really solid scores that were better than any other single card solution. With a die shrink and increased clock speeds, it will be even more.

I'm not saying the 280M is better or worse than the 4870 GDDR5 (it already whomps the 4850 GDDR3 in single card mode even as a Quadro 3700, but I suspect the 4870 GDDR5 will be the new king of the hill imho), but I am saying I have more confidence in Nvidia's driver support and we'll have to see how the 4870M performs when it is released.

My only loyalty is to performance, stability and drivers in a competent maintenance cycle. I am not brand loyal, and over the years, I've switched back and forth between ATI and Nvidia products on a consistent basis.

 

I had a dream where I found out current 5796/5797 and NP8660 owners found out that a new motherboard is required for the new cards.

You have been forewarned.

 

I want one in my 5793. This won't happen, but I can still want it.

 

I think you may be thinking just a tad too much about the issue.

 

all this trading blows back and forth about who did or didn't do what..pretty funny really...only thing is..so far with nvidia doing all this shady renaming stuff, their gpus seem to be still holding where as ati came with some high tech stuff that aint really killing old tech stuff. that's a problem. in comes..it's because it's gddr3 and not gddr5 line. now if you are talking about using AA, ati is a clear cut sure win no questions asked hands down winner. but you drop that AA...you can forget it. they aint no clear cut winner. we are talking about mobile chips only this is all based on the test that have been ran thus far. and until we can get some real working ati drivers, it's going to stay like that, whether people like it or not. gtx is still winning in most of the test( with no aa only)( with aa it lost every single test i think), but it's getting pretty close to falling off if ati can make some stable drivers for them. and like mentioned before..this was all said in the ocz forums. high fives and people said the 3870s we're killing the gtx...wrong. as soon as the gaming started, them 3870s started fading fast. and it took for ever to get them up to where they are now. no thanks to ati(very very big maybe) ocz(the reseller) flextronics (the real people to blame), but more so to the members of nbr/e-wrecked/rkcomputers/k|n and the many others taking time out to test the drivers over and over to get them to work right.....

well the 4870's are no different...it's gonna go through the same thing. whether it has gddr3 or 5 memory...if working drivers are not made available.

 

Than this 5796 user is staying with 9800M GT

 

Honestly, memory makes little difference in game performance, whether it be gddr3 or gddr5. It all comes down to shader count, core and shader frequencies, and having a cpu that can pump data to the gpu core fast enough for the gpu to be properly utilized. I feel gddr5 is nothing but an advertising scheme to help spur sales of ati cards. If it meant that much, wouldn't nVidia of moved to it by now?

 

Gddr5 memory was something nvidia didn't take into account in the desktop market and it cost them big time. The added bandwidth it provides allows for cheaper more efficient cards. Nvidia continued along with their renaming scheme in the midrange market while ati decided to target this market and develop a brand new product. Instead of a midrange product they ended up developing a very impressive enthusiast card. Not only did they develop a product that was able to compete with nvidia performance, it also was much much cheaper and ati continues to have room to drop the price to compete with nvidia products.

 

posted by lifeclock
re posted here for informational purposes...

Greetings to everybody! Though my first post here, I´ve been reading this thread since the very first post. Hailing from Austria, Vienna.

Up North in Germany there is currently the Cebit running, one of, if not the biggest computer expo in Western Europe. Asus is there with the W90VP. Now get this.
They apparently had to disable one of the Radeons to keep it running at all! Here is a link to a german computer magazine reporting this from the Cebit, german language though: http://www.pcgameshardware.de/aid,67...ok-Handy/News/

Ausus states they had to disable one due to the Heat build up in the Exhibition center. True? Don´t think so.
Magazines where only allowed to bench it on the one card getting 10.000 on 3DMark 06.

Another interesting story regarding the whole DDR3-DDR5 discussion. They introduced the DDR5 there as well. On actual cards of the ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4860! The RAM is produced by Qimonda since end of 2008. Although Qimonda is busily filing bankrupcy and is under interim Management till they find a new Investor. But production is fully running. Release to market scheduled for April.
Here the german link again:
http://www.gamestar.de/hardware/news...mit_5_ghz.html

One last thing, I found this one, apparently also soon to be available in SLI. Not sure yet, but I rather want the Radeons.
http://eurocom.com/products/showroom...m?model_id=202

Good luck to all the owner, can´t wait it to be released! LAtest news I read was end of April in Europe for the W90 VP with the Q9000.
Last edited by lifeclock : Today at 01:46 AM. Reason: Added a comment

 

The significance between GDDR3 and GDDR5 can be very small (if you're talking about low resolution and low-medium settings) to substantial (high settings, high resolutions). Xtremesystems.org forums have compared a desktop HD4850 OC'd to 750-800mhz to a desktop HD4870 (which is already clocked at 750mhz). Most of the results are on pages 3-5.

Couple other tests with GDDR3 vs GDDR5:

http://www.techenclave.com/reviews-and-previews/sapphire-hd-4870-review-115201-gars7.html

http://www.behardware.com/art/imprimer/726/

Only problem with GDDR5 is the higher latency compared to GDDR3. If the effective clock speeds of GDDR3 and GDDR5 were equal (i.e. GDDR3 clocked at 900mhz = 1800mhz effective, GDDR5 clocked at 450mhz = 1800mhz effective), the GDDR3 will perform better because of this.

 

Likely the same discussion as DDR2 vs DDR3 on the system RAM level. Without tightened timings, there are few advantages of DDR3.

 

Until the frequency is high enough to compensate for the inherent increased latency.

If you're FSB OC'ing, DDR3 definitely has its advantages with 1333+ memory.

Multiplier OC'ing? (Extreme chips), it's a pick 'em.

 

I also had a horrible experience with xoticpc. I placed an order for a Sager NP5797 ($3000+ laptop). I used a coupon I found online for $37 off of shipping. The coupon was accepted by their system, order was placed, all is good. I get an email the next day stating the coupon code doesn't apply for the laptop I ordered. I spoke to them over the phone and by online chat asking where on their website does it state it doesn't work for that laptop. I was treated in a rude manner and never did get pointed to anything other than a general disclaimer that said some codes are only accepted for particular systems. Basically they weren't going to accept the code although their system accepted it and the order was placed. Because I was mislead and treated in a rude manner, I canceled my order. I'll use pctorque or the sager website instead. Avoid at all costs!

 

^^ Here are the facts. You can decide who was out of line.

While placing an order for a Sager NP5797 this person attempted to use a free shipping coupon offered only on ASUS laptops. Before processing her order we informed her that the free shipping coupon could not be used for the Sager NP5797 purchase.

She contacted us with demands for use of this free shipping coupon code. We informed her that the free shipping code was only advertised for ASUS laptops, and that this is also clearly stated on our website *FAQ. She canceled her order, which we had not accepted in the first place and not charged her credit card.

 

well i guess that pretty much sums that up...lol

 

I like dumb people

 

lol will you use xoticpc coupon on those sites too?! :laugh:

 

So how much is the GTX 280M anyway?? I see everyone urging to get a GTX 280 or GTX 260 for their Clevo, but aren't they expensive when buying alone? Or you guys are all rich n famous and wanna have latest nvidia goodies?

 

) . I am nor rich nor famous and still want the latest nvidia goodies .

 

any news on the 4870 yet?

i bet its really close to the 280 and about a third of the price

 

2 Mobility 4870 GDDR3 i CrossfireX are already out in the Asus W90vp. The Mobility 4870 GDDR5 is rumored to come out "soon" in the Alienware laptops. The GTX 280m was surprisingly cheap ($290 cheaper than 9800m GTX to be exact)

 

You just need to sacrifice food and water for a year or so and you will be able to get them.

 

Will you be able to drop these in a NP9262/D901 without any problems?
If you can I better start saving my money!
Hopefully you don't need to update the BIOS.

 

That's a question that D901C owners have been asking repeatedly.

And still no answer.

 

Hey all you resellers out there any answer to our question of dropping the GTX 280 in a Clevo D901 chasis without a bios update?
It's worth a shot.

 

Not without a BIOS update.

Clevo is unlikely to provide BIOS support for these cards as it could hurt the sales of the d900f & M98NU

 

wont know until someone pops in a GTX 280M.

Clevo is not the only ones that can write the BIOS either.... we have international vendors that can write custom BIOS's.

 

yeah, but the problem....is actually getting them to do just that.
been shooting for a clevo bios re write for quite some time now...

 

if enough pressure is applied, anything can happen.

but we can ask vendors like Kobalt to help write a BIOS that can support the upcoming card... when its available to test wit of course.