XoticPC to offer Pre-Order of GTX 280M

say,

does it take a lot of effort just to write a GPU bios ???



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its not the GPU BIOS that is the worry, rather its the motherboard BIOS that will need updating if the videocard is not recognized properly.

 

the only person who was ever helpful with bios coding was margret. her team wrote the bios for the gateways. E use to conversate with her while they got things straight with the fx bios. haven't seen anyone else doing anything like that. not even biosman can help.... hey, might be time for you to pull a few strings..

 

when the GTX 2x0M's are available and need recognition in the current Clevo's then we'll see what can be done.

 

If the VGA is not recognized by SBIOS, it will post like this...

 

Very interesting...
I wonder if we could change all the IDs to a 9800M GT for example and make it recognizable...

 

Shouldn´t work. If change the ID only to 98GT, it will post with a blackscreen..

The same happens when flash 7950GTX to FX2500M.

 

Oh..so you have tried it yet ?!
too bad..

 

Didn´t tried, only according to my old experience.

 

i was under the impression that the only thing that distinguishes the 4850 and 4870 was GDDR3 and GDDR5 ram. that being said, it seems like asus is playing name games, much like Nvidia. those cards are technically 4850s.

is the price difference really that vast between the 280m and 9800mGTX? well thats both good and bad news. the good being that theres more and cheaper options out there, and the bad being that its now blatantly obvious what Nvidia was doing all along, and that was overpricing the ever living crap out of them chips due to them being a monopoly.

i was asking about 4870 GDDR5

i wonder how those 2 match up, both in terms of performance and price.

 

This reminds me of the prices they used to ask for the initial 280 Desktop versions. Maybe we should ask for a refund!

 

Now I'm wondering if I should have waited to order my np9262 (9800 GTX x 2). My order has been delayed until next week due to back ordering so I sent a message to Justin to see if it would be possible to stuff the GTX 280m's in the box instead.

Even after reading this thread I'm still not sure it is possible that the 280m's work in the 9262. I guess it can't hurt to ask .

Less heat and more GPU power seems like a winning combination to me!

 

unless they change this...it's not going to fit. plus im pretty sure we would need a bios update as well.

 

Hey thanks! Looks like I need a miracle then. Where is Zombie Jesus when you need him?

 

This means M570TU/ETU gets a new mobo?

 

stop with the confusion.

the pics are misleading.

The new mobile cards will come in two flavors:
- MXM Type III/IV (2.x)
- MXM 3.0

the Clevo notebooks will have the MXM Type III/IV (2.x) versions.

 

until i see the actual card, im going with what they say.
because if they downgrade the cards to fit older notebooks, then the potential to lose out on new notebooks sales will be greater than what it might be now.
edit:
the minute they officially announce that they have a version fitting and working. is when i'll say..ok, they have one.(for my np9262/d901c)
and will immediately order 2... well, maybe not immediately..would have to see them in action first..

 

there WILL be an mxm2.x (type III/IV) for the M570TU.

the d90xc will need a bios update for it to work, which it may well not get.

 

thanks for raining on my "wish and a hope prayer"

 

Sager and Clevo have already confirmed that the M570TU/ETU WILL work with the GTX 280. Stop trying to confuse people into thinking it will not work. NO Mobo updated needed for the M570TU/ETU; perhaps a BIOS update.

 

hope you guys aren't talking about me..im only speaking on the np9262/d901c only.

 

Oh boy, we've been over this, haven't we?

 

yeah we have! but i can hope they change their minds though...more than likely...it will still stay as no.
just letting that fellow 9262 owner know not to hold his breath on this one.

 

I appreciate it Johnksss. The information is all here in the forums but you have to dig a bit in a few threads.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=359685&page=5

Gophn sums it up nicely "there is no doubt that the GTX 280M will fit in the D901C.... its the motherboard BIOS that might need an update to fully recognize the card(s). if the D901C recognizes the GTX 280M and is stable, then there might not be a need for a BIOS update.".

Regardless of how the GTX 280m & 9262 combination turns out, I'm happy I didn't go with my first choice - the AW M17. Many thanks to Gophn for the 280m info as well as the Clevo guide and his 3 year review. The guide was a huge help. Until this month I knew nothing of Clevo, the Sager 9262 or xoticpc.com. So far I'm impressed with all 3.

It seems to be a weird time to buy a new high end laptop with the new graphic cards coming out and the new i7 tech too.

 

you mean post 50 of that thread. yep read it.

but as of today, there is no gtx280m (let me use a better word for this ( working)) in a d901c that can be proven without a doubt, (not saying it will or wont happen, bios update or no bios update, mxm type 3 or no type 3, with or with out HE tab) but as of 3/29/2009 it's not working.

as pointed out before, it can fit, but if the bios does not accept it....that is considered not working.

would love for it to work, saves me a bunch of cash and i can keep the same machine. win win loss for me. (same machine/new vga cards/no cpu over clocking)

yes, im all for it working, but still..the 9800m gtx is a solid performer and is still at the top of it's class. so it's not like your taking a loss going with them for the time being...

 

well, I think Clevo will update the BIOS in D901C, but not right away.
probably 6 months after 280M enter the market. so it wont hurt the sales of their new laptops and on the other hand still selling their old one.

this is speculation ofcourse. but one thing for sure, you can't expect them to right away says that there will be BIOS update for D901C. its stupid from marketing point of view.

 

The D901C will never be offered with the GTX 280M. That will come out in the D901F, and will only be available with a single video card...but of course it will have the Intel i7 processor.

As xor01 says, it is not known at this time whether the GTX 280M will ever be offered as an upgrade for the D901C. It is clear that Clevo has no interest in doing it, so it may be up to DIY to experiment with it.

 

well there still isn't a bios update for the M570RU to use the 9800M GTX, so don't hold your breath...

 

in this economy there won't be people shelling out $4k for latops anymore. i am betting the 280m cards will be offered as an option upgrade with matching warranties to d900c owners when the product line gets replaced by the d900f. it would be the perfect upgrade for the platform to live strong for another 2-3 years. it would also provide clevo's resellers a profitable opportunity.

 

Hmmm, I beg to differ. Most people that could afford a $3-4,000 laptop, still can.

Further, the GTX 280M is significantly less expensive than the 9800M GTX (thanks to the potential competition from ATi), and since its performance is about equal to two 9800M GTX in SLi you will be getting maximum performance for a sweet price.

 

Now this is an interesting tidbit. Would you care to share how you came by that information, Donald? Or are you restrained by a NDA?

 

Look at post 163 of this thread.

 

Performance will be about 15-20% better than a single 9800M GTX. It may eclipse 9800 GT sli in certain situations, but not the GTX... I'm expecting at least 11k in 3mark06 stock and I'd like to get crysis ccc level 5 30+ FPS at wsxga, and I think that's realistic.

 

yeah, some more propaganda is what i got out of that add.

they must have used a broke machine with one card enabled to find that number.
and then the card would have had to be ran in 2d mode at that.

 

sure these types of customers can still afford another one but will they actually be purchasing? i think we will find out by how fast prices for these new models drop, maybe.

and i do not believe the nvida hype about how much faster the new gpu is compared to the older one. i remember they did the same thing with the 9800m gtx over the 8800m gtx claiming something like 50% performance increase, which was not true at all.

 

they are probably claming synthetic benchmarks again like they did with the 9800m gtx vs 8800m gtx. but in the real world the gains are very small. it is probably what the specs of the new gpu suggest, an overclocked 9800m gtx.

 

not a over clocked 9800m gtx but maybe a over clocked 3700m

 

3700 is the more accurate statement. The extra 16 shaders, increased clocks all around, and lower latency memory will make for a worthy upgrade. 55nm fab means more over clocking potential. Its a 1GB version of the 9800 GTX+ with lower clock speeds. I think thats a lot to be excited about.

 

It's an underclocked 1GB GTS 250 Well, that's how NV wants you to look at it, doesn't sound so bad then.

But seriously, it's roots are from late 2007, G92. A 512MB 8800 GTS will be slightly faster than the 280M, which is somewhat saddening. G92 underwent 65nm to 55nm process last summer, becoming G92b. 9800 GTX became 9800 GTX+, and massively overclocked. You can hardly overclock a 9800 GTX+ from the factory, NV has pushed it to over 9 tenths.... but since the 280M is decently underclocked, I'd expect we an overclock quite a lot back.

If you didn't know, the 1GB 250 GTS is a bit faster than the desktop 4850. Pretty impressive.

 

I believe the reason 9800M GTX is not offered to M570RU is because of thermal budget.
The case is different with D901C. D901C can handle 280M, it only need BIOS update.

What the hell is NDA anyway?

 

NDA Link

 

The M570RU is the exact same internal design as the M570TU, which supports the 9800M GTX (& the GTX280M) so no, that is not the reason.

 

sorry, I kind of mixed up between 570RU and 860TU
I know they are different, but when I wrote my statement, my mind is on the M860TU

 

Non- Disclosure Agreement. In very basic, blunt terms - you open your mouth, you lose your meal ticket.

 

Thanks, but I know what Non Disclosure Agreement is.
It's the NDA acronym that I didnt familiar with.

 

Thats one of those lmgtfy experiences

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=NDA

 

LOL...

either google it or search the wikipedia for it...
but I prefer asking here for the sake to keep the thread alive

 

Long time lurker, first time post.

I have the NP5797 on order with xotic pc with the X9100 and 280m. I also have access to 3D mark 06 and PC mark 05, and also may consider overclocking the 280m in the future.

So far I don't have any word on when my laptop will ship, other than late March, which is now past due.

Either way, I'll keep you all in the loop on the progress of my laptop and future benchmarks.

Dave

 

FYI, I just got the following status update to my order from xotic...

SO it looks like the GTX 280m should be comming in around April 9th or 10th.

Good luck to all of you who are waiting as well.

 

thanks for the news... it's the only news I've heard so far...