XoticPC to offer Pre-Order of GTX 280M

Listen up. I know, as well as anyone, that Notebookcheck can have some shady numbers, but they were right this time. The site reported months ago that only an MXM 3.0 GTX 260M would come with the stock clocks of 550/1375/950, while MXM 2.0 slots are limited to a maximum stock memory clock of 800MHz.

But, ya know, I kept quiet when I saw this, and I didn't 100% believe. Why? Because it's Notebookcheck, of course. Plus I was amped about buying this new card, so I decided to play the waiting game. I dialed down my hype, added speculating to my sig, and stopped posting about clocks.

So after a day's worth of research, it hit me that there is no (mobile) card that's come with a memory clock over 800, ever. So I'll bet anyone my notebook that the GTX 280M of the M570ETU comes with a memory clock of 800MHz.

That said, I'm still buying one, depending on how well it overclocks, and the price will have to be right.

P.S. - If that GTX 280M GPU-Z screenshot is from the M980NU, that confirms MXM 3.0 slots are awesome.

 

But doesn't that mean we can OC the memories to 950Mhz without a problem ?

 

NP5797 with 280GTX will be very good because the 55nm chip will be much more overclockable then 65 in 9800M GTX and the momery can be set to 1000Mhz without problem after all 8800M GTX,9800M GT and 9800M GTX are very stable with 980Mhz memory

 

So what does MXM 3.0 do that's new, besides overclock your memory (which you can do yourself)?

 

Yeah, but if we could have the MXM 3.0's stock of 950, then we'd be looking at 1100MHz.

 

Memories don't have unlimited speeds you know. It also depends on what are their specifications by their manufacturer.

And as most of you already know, my memories won't go above 850 Mhz. Maybe my card is just screwed but I can't send it back to the reseller.... "because it doesn't overclock properly".

 

Definitely would not be looking at 1100 mhz. I'd be surprised if either version is stable at 1025+

 

Blacky i dont know why your memory cant go higher than 850 but almost all guys with 8800M GTX, 9800M GT and 9800M GTX dont have any problems with 950 memory

 

I know, I am trying to get to the bottom of this. As I said above, there is high chance my GPU is partially broken, but I just can't send it back into warranty because you know... "it doesn't overclock".

 

And this is after you've raised the voltage?

 

yes this is bad i will download the pics from my phone now and will send to you

 

I do not remember exactly if was before or after I've tried the 0617 BIOS with v1.05 because I've put it on very soon after I got the laptop. I have never OC the memories over 900 Mhz because I've seen that GPUs usually die because of bad vRam so I wanted to stay "safe". First time I've OC the memories of my card was at 890 Mhz and the system soon crashed in Vista aero (weird artifacts all over the screen).

Now I know for certain that it doesn't matter what BIOS I've tried, 0608 or 0617 the issue is always the same, memories won't like it above 850 Mhz.

I've wrote extensively about my issue in the 9800M GTX thread and right now there is little I can do. All I can say is that I might upgrade to a 280M and that will probably make me much more happy than I am now with my laptop.

 

280M i think is on half price of 9800M GTX right but still these 100mhz dont affect your gpu performance at all

 

True, but I fear that this might mean that the VRAM is defective and I don't want to start crying 2 years from now when the warranty expires that my video card went dead.

 

yes this will be very bad thats why the best way for you is to get 280M if you dont want to buy new laptop this card will be very good upgrade for you and you can sell 9800M GTX this way your new card will cost you nothing

 

Guys, I have great news for you .
Thnx to GanGstaOne and using the info from Samsung's website, that is the fallowing links:

http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/productList.do?fmly_id=146

http://www.samsung.com/global/busin...ram/downloads/graphic_product_guide_q2_09.pdf

Or this one for more complete info:
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/products/dram/downloads/Graphics_code.pdf

I have concluded that the GDDR3 in the 9800M GTX has an access time of 1 ns which translates in a frequency of 1000 Mhz.

Of course this means my memories are screwed. But it's not necessarily I have Samsung memories.

I am wondering now, could it be something else than the GPU then? maybe the motherboard or the MXM connector that is creating problems ?

 

If 280M is cheaper than 9800M GTX, surely Nvidia will lower the price of the 9800M GTX right?

I mean, "newer technology" always have premium price than the old ones.

 

Not this time...

Competition with ATi is what drove the price of the GTX 280M down...and finding a 9800M GTX card at any price will be difficult now.

 

yes paladin44 is right from what i know 9800M GTX price is still 650-700 USD and GTX 280M i think is around 400 USD

 

I've read about 280M price will be around $400.
But i thought the 9800M GTX will go down as well...

 

In the EU there are still resellers offering the models with the old 9800M GTX. But the systems with the GTX are about 400 euros cheaper. I guess they are trying to get rid of them.

There, I've said it, "old 9800M GTX".

 

If they did get rid of 9800M GTX, then my speculation will be verified.

There will be 280M for Clevo D901C although not right away. Probably 6 months after M980NU and D900F enter the market so it will not hurt the sales of new system.

 

Xor01: i hope you are right.
I dont see why Clevo not to make GTX 280M upgrade for D901C for many people that dont have money for new notebook this will be best option and i dont think that this will cost anything in D900F and M980NU market because they both are very good machines and the people that have money and wont to buy new laptop they will buy it even if they have D901C with available GTX 280M upgrade
atleast i know if i have the money i will buy one of the new Clevo beast and will not sell my D901C because i love it

 

So you guys would wait how long, to buy a laptop with the GTX 280M?
I am checking forums, reviews and sites from suppliers for about 3 months now.

I was going to buy a laptop with a 9800M GTS 1GB, 2.4GHZ, 4GB, 320GB 7200/HDD and W-lan + Bluetooth for around 1500 €. First it was the same configuration with a 9800M GTX but I saw some benchmarks from both and it said that the 9800M GTX is just slightly better than the GTS. So I decided to take the GTS which is way cheaper.
(Also saw a laptop with the specifications (OC)3.5GHZ, 9800M GTX 1GB, 4GB, 320GB 7200/HDD and W-lan + Bluetooth for 1800€. Is it worth it or are they just trying to get rid of it because the price will be dropping much more when the GTX280M comes?)

Then I saw the GTX 280M. now I can not tell if it is worth to wait or just to buy the GTS configuration.
They want a bit more than 2200€ for GTX 280M 1GB, 2.66GHZ or Quad 2.0, 4GB, 320GB 7200/HDD and W-lan + Bluetooth.

Any suggestions?!
I am willing to pay at most 2000 € only if it is really worth it. I would of course prefer to buy one for 1500 if the diffrence between does GPU's is not that much.

 

better wait to GTX 280M but on MXM 3.0 this way if you by clevo you can upgrade later
or if you want to buy now better go with GTX because GTS in game is not near GTX

 

well, if 280M price is more expensive than 9800M GTX, I will not consider it.
But the fact that the price is half than the older 9800M GTX, I will surely wait since 280M will have the best price/performance ratio.

 

By MXM 3.0 you mean to buy the GTX 280M in a M980NU or did I misunderstand it?

Edit:
By the way, if I go for the 2200€ one, I could also go for a laptop with i7 because it is nearly the same price maybe 100€ more as far as I have seen it. Or not?
(compared on Deviltech.de)

 

well yes sorry but for 2000 euro you can get NP5797 with GTX 280M you just have to wait one month i think or NP8662 with GTX 260M

 

Let me add that this is my first laptop and I want it as a desktop replacement because my desktop PC is more than 8 years old.

My budget is 2300€.
If this is the wrong thread for this tell me please and I will open another one or try to find a fitting one (so far I did not find one that is why I posted here).

 

dynamite2: like i said you can get very good desktop replacement from Sager for this money just look the price and you will see
i just make a very good config on XoticPC site for NP5797 with QX9300 + GTX 280M 4GB Ram + 4GB Turbo Memory 250GB 7200rpm and 3 year full warranty
for $3300 USD i think that this is well in your Budget

 

Like you said I will wait 1 month. Anyways, thanks for your help!

 

Yeah, I don't buy that whole memory clock limitation for MXM 2.x cards. It's just a way to push the MXM 3.x standard. If anything, the limitations may be based on the type of memory used, as some have already suggested. If newer, faster memory chips are used, then it may be very well possible to go over 1ghz in memory clocks. Heck, it's already been done in a MR 4850 already.

 

As I have shown above, the current memory frequency for the memories in the 9800M GTX is 1 Ghz. That's the frequency Samsung, their manufacturer designed them for, the fact that they run at 800 Mhz... may be related to something else.

 

well, i have ran it at 700/1000/1700 before, but i gained nothing. lost performance. (dont take this the wrong way..but) who cares if you can push it that high if you get better performance from running at 650/950/1600?

 

How did you find this info out? and do you know what the designed frequency is for the memory on the 8800M GTX?

 

I know from reading the access time on the memories themselves.
GanGstaOne was kind enough to share with me some pictures of his 9800M GTX and 8800M GTX, the ones that are in the D90x model.

The memories of the 9800M he has are samsung and have an access time of 1 ns. which translates in 1000 Mhz.

The ones in the 8800M I think were Hynix and had an access time of 1.1 ns which is roughly about 900 Mhz. (just divide 1000 by the ns and it gives you the frequency you should use). You can search this up on the internet.

The only way to really know the access time is to open up the laptop, look at the GPU and see what's written on the memories. The access time is usually given by the last 2 digits (sometimes letters and numbers) of the code written on the memory. Other times is just written as FS-11 somewhere on the memory. Where 11 means 1.1 ns.

Maybe I should make a tutorial on this .

 

Yes Crylo i look into my 8800M GTX pics and the momery is 900Mhz like Blacky said but i was runing mine for almost a year on 980Mhz and its run very well

 

I suppose if you are lucky, you can indeed overclock even above manufacturer specified frequency but thar might damage them.

GanGstaOne, can you please send me a picture with your 8800M gtx memory. I might add it to the guide as well.

 

@Blacky
where's the guide anyway ?

 

It's here xor01, you've probably missed it
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=369470

 

Have the NP5797's shipped yet?

 

5797's are expected to start shipping today.

 

We want to see real GTX 280M benchmarks and OC ability!

 

Nice. I hope things go smoothly for you guys.

Edit: I wll get in touch with you when the time is right.

 

Awesome, good to hear. Anxiously awaiting individual card purchases

 

So who else has an NP5797+ ordered besides me and Terminus? I'll do what I can as far as benchmarks go, just give me time

 

the only benchmark that matters is the original crysis internal benchmark utility that came with the game (i am serious)

compare them with 8800m gtx system;

crysis internal benchmark utility full screen mode Benchmark_GPU batch file;

800x600 all high dx9 = 49.16 fps avg. single gpu

1280x960 all high dx9 = 31.91 fps avg. single gpu

1440x900 all high dx9 = 29.62 fps avg. single gpu

1680x1050 all high dx9 = 23.37 fps avg. single gpu

1920x1200 all high dx9 = 18.86 fps avg. single gpu

800x600 all high dx9 = 43.50 fps avg. sli enabled

1280x960 all high dx9 = 41.67 fps avg. sli enabled

1440x900 all high dx9 = 38.56 fps avg. sli enabled

1680x1050 all high dx9 = 35.19 fps avg. sli enabled

1920x1200 all high dx9 = 30.28 fps avg. sli enabled

 

I'll have to buy Crysis lol, only have Warhead. I know the demo has a bench but that will not do, because the game has been patched since then.

Here are the games I have:

Crysis Warhead
Call of Duty WaW
Biosuck
Stalker SoC
Left 4 Dead
Fallout 3
Oblivion
Far Cry 2 (15$ steam!)
C&C 3 (lol, np running that..)

 

crysis is 10 times better than warhead. better story and better level design.

warhead does not have an internal benchmark utility, you would have to rely on outside programs and this means innacuracy. if you have the money to buy a high end gaming laptop you have enough to buy the original crysis. don't be cheap on us. we are counting on you!

 

lol I know, I just bought FC2 and I'll be buying Crysis, both of which I've never played. It'll be some time then till I add to the list I gave you Perhaps Stalker Clear Skies