nVIDIA 8800M GTX

I'd get the m17x if it uses a smart bay drive. If it does its going to have a really good battery time if you use a smart bay battery. Otherwise I'd stick to the Np9262

 

I'd really like to know...

 

good news.

crysis runs @ 30-50 fps @ 1440x900 @high/very high

just look at one of my older posts, there are screenshots too

regards

 

That's very encouraging! Thank you!

 

check out the 9262 review in my sig for Crysis FPS rates at different resolutions.

 

Thanks! I'm checking it out.
EDIT: Great review. I've never played Crysis. Is it a very badly optimized game or something ? It doesn't seem to run too well even on the best of systems. I'm sure there are more attractive looking games out there that run better on the same systems.

 

Does anyone have any screens for any games, especially AOE III?

 

Sager 8800M GTX Owners:

I was wondering if anyone that has the GTX card can run Everest and check its core and shader clock speeds, and do the same with GPU-Z? I'm trying to find out which of the two programs is correct.
Everest on my m15x shows 540mhz core (vs 500 stock), and 1350mhz shader (vs 1250 stock), while GPU-Z shows stock clocks. I just wanted to verify with other brand owners that have the GTX card, and see what these two programs show for you guys...thanks in advance.

 

Hi all, I bought a Sager NP5790 with a 7950GTX from Xotic PC in August last year and wanted order a 8800M GTX and upgrade it myself. Recently I read that the 8800M GTX will be available for ordering starting from 1st of February.

So on that day I went to Xotic PC's website and ordered it and paid for it on that day ($745 + $223 international USPS shipping fee) . A few days after I ordered, Justin emailed me and told me the 8800M GTX is still a pre-order item at this time. He referred me to the bottom part of this page and told me that "Sager has not announced an official date when they will start doing the upgrade packages yet, however, when we have more information we will post it on our website."

I was confused so I decided to search around to see if the 8800M GTX is really not available yet. I went to Ice-Tea's website and in the 8800M GTX section it says "In store? No. These cards are in transit. You can pre-order them if you wish." It seems that the 8800M GTX is not ready yet but they said the cards are in transit so that means it will be arriving shortly.

I then emailed Sager and asked for the situation of the 8800M GTX user upgrade for the NP5790 and a guy replied telling me that only Sager have the 8800 cards at this time ready to ship ($745 + shipping fee) and he immediately ask for my details so that he can order it for me. I told him I've already ordered somewhere else so I'm not going to order it from Sager. I then asked him if Sager will ship to Australia and he told me that shipping fee from them to my place by UPS is $108.

I'm confused what to do now...>_<
Xotic PC says Sager has not announced the date for the upgrade packages,
Ice-Tea's website says the cards are coming
and then Sager says they already have the card ready to ship...

Should I have faith and stick with Xotic PC? Or should I ask them to return my money and order it from Sager instead...

 

Just stick to Justin@XoticPC or paladin44 (Donald @ Powernotebooks).

They are extremely trustworthy and honest.

 

Order from sager, the source is the best. plus they say the got them and the others... heck that's where they get'em from anyways....

when I was scouting for vid card sources there was only a few you can count on to sell you parts.. all the time, no messing around, and when you WANT them!

IMO. for sure 100% RJtech, Sager, and Eurocom. always.

Go where you can get the card today. not in the hazy future.

 

I wonder how long will the upgrade package last...I remember something like the 30th of June...after that, what?

 

so it appears that it is now confirmed the dell m1730 does not need a new mobo to accept the 8800gtx cards from the 8700gtx.

anyone care to comment?

 

(a) Dell is more on-the-ball in terms of keeping the display technology of its motherboards up-to-date (which shouldn't be that surprising since Dell has been one of the big proponents of the DisplayPort standard that is supposed to be adopted as a common replacement for the mish-mash of current standards), or

(b) Dell got a different deal from NVidia than all the other vendors got because Dell has the market oomph to "convince" NVidia to do for Dell what it would not do for all the other vendors (which wouldn't surprise me, cynic that I am, and would certainly explain the delay in Dell's broader introduction of the 8800M).

 

well, to the average comsumer and even the more technical-minded consumer it simply appears that with dell you can, and with clevo you cannot, that dell users are winners and clevo users are losers.

it ticks me off how the clevo end users have gotten shafted again. i have been waiting for this confirmation since they dropped the bomb on us with the mobo revisions, like in the past.

 

You know me, I love analogies. The difference between Dell and honest folk like Clevo is sort of like the difference between Richard Gere's character and all the other dopey johns in Pretty Woman - when you're big and rich, you can buy the whole woman, instead of just a lousy b**w-j*b.

As someone said elsewhere, just getting blown sucks.

(yeah, I know, me and my potty mouth - or is that potty fingers - ok, ok, sorry, I promise it won't happen again ).

 

Yes Clevo does have better & faster machines

but Todays world its all on the Looks
Dell & others have better looking laptops

If Only Clevo changes its shape on there Laptop
having all the USB ports on one side
thats a bad design

Think guys You wil do soooooooo much better
if you give options like others do
You have been using that design for last 3yrs

 

You mean that, if only I got a "hot" paint-job on my lil vaio Z1A, you'd be willing to pay me mega-bucks for it?

As to your remaining point - if an aspect of a design is non-functional (e.g., USB port placement), then clearly it should be redesigned; however, if form follows function, then it should not be monkeyed with, no matter how long it's been used. I daresay that, despite the mere fact that the 2008 Porsche 911:

still bears the same basic design form as the 2002 Porsche 911:

you would still not turn your nose up at the chance to acquire a 2008 Porsche 911.

You may, of course, freely correct me if you feel otherwise.

 

hahahahahahahaha
Porsche 911 is a Good design thats why they still selling
but Clevo lol
oh well...........

 

Still selling quite well, even if many of them get rebadged before sale, so that it looks like what's being sold is an Alienware, or a Eurocom, or a PCMicroworks, when at bottom, what's being sold is a Clevo, plain and simple.

I daresay that, if I took a 2008 Porsche 911, and replaced all of the decals and little chrome & pig-metal doohickeys that say "Porsche" or "911" with similar bits that said " Shysta's Supa-Car", you and I would still agree that it was a Porsche. Again, please feel free to correct me if you believe otherwise.

 

May I daresay, (for a change lol)
I wish Clevo was "Porsche" or "911" lol
so the fact remains
what do people want not want Clevo thinks

So all im saying is wish Celvo gets a little change design
im sure they will do much better
Hope Clevo understand that

 

In absolute terms, perhaps Clevos aren't Porsches; but rankings are relative, not absolute, and in relative terms, Clevos leave every other laptop in the dust. Perhaps a better auto-analogy is not to Porsches, but to street racers. Clevos would then be comparable to a plain-jane car that comes standard with a gut-wrenching racing block and the suspension to put all that power down on the tarmac while the rest of the contenders amount to little more than gussied up rice-rockets that only have the ability to sound tough because their owners put echo chambers on the ends of those pitiful little exhaust pipes.

 

i always knew dell would never pull a clevo when upgrades of video are concerned.

they make sure that all upgrades per generation are usable. and then move on to a new design or generation and so forth.

Clevo won't change their gameplan because it's the only one they know.

they have been doing the o'le bait and switch mobo swap for years and generations.

and people buy into it. that's why they don't change.

Dell is more expensive, but better all around in my opinion.

I can't and probably won't ever get a m1730.....

as akin to getting a ferrari over my 300zx TT. and yes my 300ZX does 0-60 in 4.5 seconds with all my mods.

So my 300zx is like a clevo and the dell like the ferarri.

what would you rather have....

 

Not really. It's kind of amusing to see all the Clevo haters playing tall-poppy syndrome - I suppose that's the only way to rationalize having paid a huge premium solely for the name itself.

Dell makes pretty decent machines, but they're basically gilded cages. Ever tried to "get off the rez" on a Dell? Like all the other biggies, they lock the system down pretty tightly. Since most of their purchasers don't seem to be too demanding, they're happy with the palaver they're fed, and the rest are too distracted by the eye-candy.

If you want an auto analogy, the Dell is a mainstream "sports" car like a Honda Accord v6, while the Clevo is more like an experimental 'vette or Crown Vic.

Now, to pursue the analogy a bit further, obviously, the more money you're willing to spend, the more performance you will be able to get, all else being equal. For example, if you've got a spare couple of hundred thousand dollars or so just burning a hole in your pocket, you can get a Ferarri, or something even more exotic, like an SSC Ultimate Aero TT, which qualified as the fastest production car for 2007.

Or, to come back down a little closer to earth, you can always pick up a BMW M-series, or whatever.

The issue isn't how much performance can you get, because someone can always get more than you have - that's the name of the game, particularly in the computer industry.

No, the issue is really, performance per some measuring unit, such as a dollar spent.

Now, I'll grant you that Dell, in order to keep its inmates more comfortable, will generally take a more conservative approach to upgrading and, to be blunt, will throw its weight around to get what it wants. But, there's no such thing as a free lunch, and on top of the premium you pay for the Dell name alone, along with the additional amounts you pay to cover Dell's advertising costs, you also pay what amounts to an insurance premium to cover the anticipated future cost of any such upgrades.

To turn it around, however, if I choose to go with a Clevo, not only do I get less proprietary crypto-fascist nonsense, I also get sufficient cost savings that, if properly set aside, will be more than enough to cover the additional out-of-pocket expenses I have to pay in order to upgrade the Clevo at a later date.

Furthermore, that would be sufficient if it were merely the case of covering known upgrades, but the future isn't deterministic, and thus there is always a risk that some anticipated future upgrade will either (a) in the case of the Dell, not appear as expected, or (b) in the case of the Clevo, not be needed. In either case, there is an additional risk factor that must be taken into account in discounting the future cost of the anticipated upgrade in order to determine its net present value.

If you go the Dell route, then you have essentially prepaid for the upgrade on the prophesy that the anticipated future upgrade will, in fact materialize as promised. In the event that doesn't happen, you lose your prepayment and are out-of-pocket by that amount in all events, with or without the upgrade.

If you go the Clevo route, you are never out-of-pocket until it becomes clear that you will, in fact, have to pay additional $$ to get the upgrade (e.g., replacing the motherboard to support the 8800M). Now, if NVidia hadn't decided to be a pr**k and make the 8800Ms in-house without support for non-EDID displays, that upgrade would not have been required, and the Clevo owners would now have 8800Ms without having to be any more out-of-pocket than the cost of the GPU itself. On the other hand, assuming (as in fact ocurred) that the mobo replacement was necessary in order to go to the 8800M, the cost (about $900 if I recall correctly - anyone who wants to go and search the forums for it can correct me if I'm wrong) is still less, in net present value terms, than the premium you paid solely to get the name Dell or Alienware branded on your butt. On top of which, it may be that, by the time the ability to upgrade arrives, you decide that in point of fact you really don't need the upgrade at all - boom! Instant money savings over the Dell crowd who, whether or not they need/want/get the upgrade, have already paid Dell quite handsomely for it.

What it boils down to is, do you want to prepay now for the upgrade, and take the risk that it won't materialize and you'll lose the additional money you paid, or do you want to reduce your costs now, keep that upgrade-payment money in your pocket unless and until the upgrade actually materializes, and still have the discretion to make the upgrade decision cost-free at that later time?

Seems to me, I have better uses for my hard-earned money than using it to line Dell's executive suites and wager it on a less-than-100% chance that a promised upgrade will, in fact, materialize.

 

Hey could u suggest laptop
to beat the Dell™ XPS™ 1330
lookin for max 14.1 screen

but should have more power
will it be a upgradeble ?
Thank you

 

i want to buy a notebook then upgrade like a desktop.

like DELL.

I like Clevo but Clevo don't do it right.

that's why they are cheaper.

and shyster...

all this dissection aside.

it is... what it is. and that's the ____________line.

 

gateway PX is cheap.

it has a 8800m gts and Raid 0 support with 2x hdd's and up to the newest t9xx processors.

like 1300 bux at bestbuy.

 

How in the hell is Clevo shyster?

 

yeah this is all very good but wat about new ati graphics

 

Hey, blow your money on whatever you want to - Thomas Tusser said it best. Lord knows, I have no desire to take food out of the mouths of the children of Dell's salespeople, and besides, since people have always been willing to pay dearly for purely pointless luxuries like perfume, far be it from me to knock someone who finds value-added in tiny little winking blue leds.

 

Sure,™ a™ couple™ of™ whacks™ with™ my™ vaio™ Z1A™ (14.1")™ should™ beat™ the™ XPS into™ bootless™ junk.™ ™ Kinda™ like™ that™ old™ Timex™ ™ ad™ - takes™ a™ likkin™ and™ keeps™ on™ tikkin™ (unfortunately ).™

 

Just asking, are you going to buy a sager or clevo shyster?

 

(1) Is there a difference, really?

(2) Based on (a) my now-extensive experience with (i) the customer "service" offered by HP, Dell, and Sony (all of whom have apparently taken, like ducks to water, to using new-speak ala "1984" when it comes to any term that might be construed as favoring the customer), and (ii) the hidden gelding and proprietary locking-down that HP, Dell, and Sony all implement in the systems they sell, (b) my (perhaps too cynical ) impression that the same sorts of shenanigans are practiced by Toshiba, Lenovo, and the other big brand-names, and (c) the combined lack of features I do want, plus mandatory features that I don't want (aka bloatware) as offered by most of the big brand-names,

I can definitely say that I won't, under any circumstances, be buying an HP, a Dell, a Sony, a Toshiba, or a Lenovo; basically, think of it as a process of elimination - instead of driving myself to distraction trying to think up a comprehensive list of what I do want and what I don't want, along with a list of what I'm willing to compromise on, and the parameters governing such compromises, I start with a list of everything on offer that meets a much more general set of basic desires (e.g., 15.4" or 17" display), and then whittle that list down by checking each qualifying system to see if it has something that I do not want, in which case the system is struck off the list.

That process is much less time-consuming, less productive of anxiety and angst, and ultimately leaves me with a much, much shorter list of systems to comprehensively review and, at the end, I am left with the one system that, by virtue of its being the only one left, is necessarily the only system that I am willing to settle for, unless even that system is too deficient, in which case I can relax and sit back and wait for the ever-industrious computer industry to churn out a new system that will meet my minimum criteria for acceptability, without turning myself into a nervous wreck wondering if I made the right decision to wait.

To my mind, it's a little bit like my favorite strategy for taking multiple-choice tests - instead of starting from the top and trying to work out what the right answer must be, I typically start at the bottom and try to winnow down the list of possible "right" answers - for a 5-answer multiple choice question, being able to invalidate 2 of the possible answers improves the chances of guessing correctly from 20% (1 in 5) to 33-1/3% (1 in 3).

 

lol, wth?

when saying clevo or sager, i wasnt trying to make a distinction b/w the 2.

 

Well, far be it from me to take away credit where credit is due, but as I see it, if one buys from Sager, one gets a Clevo that has been "optimized" (the less charitable might say monkeyed with) by Sager in order to produce a system that conforms to the Sager business model; on the other hand, if one buys a bare-bones from, e.g., RJTech, such as this system, one gets a largely unadulterated Clevo that more or less conforms solely to Clevo's original design criteria.

 

he likes writing novels.

 

Yup. (+10char)

 

that's a good thing

atleast you got something to say.

 

If all you want is gaming performance and transportability for work you get a better business deal with Clevo price wise, period.

If you want fancy design and performance, then DELL and Alienware are your best options, period.

If I had the money I would buy a M1730 for work and games, SkullTraill PC for gaming at home, and a Origenae S21 for my Media Center, plus a Sahara Tablet PC. Since I don't I go for a Clevo d901c that is already top of the line and does it all well. Granted not as well as having it all but ...

Trance
PS: The price difference between a Clevo D901c and the DELL counterpart might be enough to buy a 64GB SSD if you really want to spend 4500$. Then you would have the fastest of the fastest laptop boot times plus ... everything else.

 

I'm a bit biased but I'd skip the Sager (I prefer to make my own changes) and get a Clevo, better to start with a virgin system rather than one that has fiddled with by another's hand. Buy your components from Pricewatch and save a few bucks in the end, plus if you need support, you can save time and effort calling yourself to fix the issue.

 

rjtech has the barebones.

 

I took a peak at their site but for $400 more, another dealer, can't recall who but I saved the link, has it with a basic CPU, memory and hdd.

 

I was very happy with ordering from RJTECH...they were very responsive and my notebook was delivered in less than 1 week. The notebook is more configurable than most (e.g. you can select without processor, etc.). Just one person's experience so take it for what it's worth.

 

To finally understand everything, To Upgrade my Clevo M570RU from 8700M GT to 8800M GTX:

1. Will it be possible without a new motherboard, because I don't need the sleep mode?
2. Will I have to install a new BIOS and if yes then where can I get it?
3. Will there be any other issues without that one with the sleep mode?

P.S. Thank you guys, because it looks like you are the only ones who coud answer me this!!!

 

Details for the upgrade program can be found on our Forum at http://www.powernotebooksforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=2554

 

Apart from that, it´s necessary to update the SBIOS to 1.00.07/8 too.

Here it is: http://www.eurocom.com/support/drivers/zip/M570RU/57RU_108.zip

 

I have a thread about doing just this (well, 7950 instead of 8700, but same thing just about) here, if you are interested:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=234327

You can do it without a new motherboard.

One thing I've noticed, too, is that I actually have no problem with sleep/suspend even after the upgrade and with no motherboard modifications. So, whether you even have to worry about it at all probably depends on your motherboard revision.

You will have to install the new bios (if you don't you get an error on boot, "MXM structures missing" and your computer runs real slow.) Audigy's link is spot-on for that.

As for other issues, I've had mine installed for almost 2 weeks now and had no problems whatsoever.

Actually, the one thing that I didn't mention in that thread was that after the upgrade my windows (vista 64) no longer was 'activated' and demanded I activate it within 15 days or whatever. If yours does this, don't panic, just go to where it says 'enter new product key' and enter in the windows product key at the bottom of the keyboard. It's the same one that was already in there, but for some reason it needs you to enter it again. I did that and it activated with no problems.

 

Hey sterben--> which revision does your motherboard have?

Mine is v4.1

And my retailer said to me that it's not possible because this barebone woud be different, can it really be so, because they look the same???

 

Mine was 3.0A You can see it on the first picture in the thread I posted in my last post heh. They told me the same thing, that I couldn't do 'option 2' (ie the motherboard modification) because I didn't have at least version 4.2.

Still, as I said, I don't seem to have -any- problem with sleep/suspend. Perhaps that's only on certain versions; I don't know. Not that I use it that much anyway, and if there -had- been a problem as I expected, it wouldn't have bothered me

 

so your sleep function works fine?? you have tried it?? hmmm