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Somewhat off-topic, I had a bit of a laugh this morning. My country has a somewhat prominent (I.E. known within the country) gaming community. They're recently doing firestrike benchmarks trying to see who holds the top spots. Saw the top spot for was using a 5820K with two 1080s, but some users here have beat the score with the P870DM3s. So... clearly... I asked them if they're taking that a laptop's beating their desktops. I'm waiting for them to lose their minds in a couple hours, I'll report how it goes =D.

I really want one to beat them myself >_<.

I can't agree with this one. I say the less power draw it has, the more it stretches, as long as this "less power draw" is not due to some artificial limitation... it should be architectural benefits only (efficient). Efficiency is key. The more efficiency you get, the more you can push something using previous models' power limits. More power/performance is always better eh?

Besides, with it pulling such less power, guess what that opens up possibilities for? Skylake-E in notebooks

Haswell-E and Broadwell-E pulling 300W-400W with solid OCs under heavy loads make them useless for notebooks if you're gonna add a couple hungry GPUs. But if Skylake-E pulls 150-200W and the GPUs pull 200W each, 660W is more than enough no?

 

That's the thing. What you say about efficiency is accurate, but TDP limits are often artificial. As a general rule, more power means higher performance when things are done right. I stand by my comment that I think the 6700K would be even better if we could push the power usage higher. We already know it is efficient. Remember, do more with more, not more with less. Doing more with less means you make the best of the hand you have been dealt. More with more means there is no such thing as too much performance and you have more than enough power on tap. Drawing more power doesn't have to mean less efficient. Dual 330W AC adapters can handle a more CPU power draw. We already know this by the P570WM. Triple or Quad 330W or dual 700W AC adapters would let you do even more. If the idea is to support more performance in a smaller package, I simply don't care about that. I don't want a thin and light monsterbook that doesn't use a lot of power. I want a massive monsterbook and I don't care how much power it needs as long as it receives everything it needs to get the job done.

 

I don't see how it would, really. The point of efficiency is to do more with less, so you can still use more. If 300W does 100% with Haswell, and Skylake needs 140W for that same 100%, what could skylake do with 300W? That's the beauty. The problem we (and by that I mean you, as I still have crap) is that you're running into a limit with voltage, or cooling, or both, before you can make your skylake draw that extra inkling. On a desktop you'd probably be shoving 1.6v at it and pulling 200W at 5.5GHz =D

 

Yes, I agree with that concept and that is what I am talking about. But, 6700K barely touches 100W even when pushed really hard. That's what I am talking about. I think that is an artificial limitation. I think we are saying essentially the same thing with a slightly different angle. I want to use it all up up, give it more, then use that up. Lather, rinse, repeat. I don't want the goal to be keeping power usage to a certain limit. I know that's what the tree-huggers want, but I don't care about what they want, LOL. MOAR!

 

So far... still fine tuning...

 

Well, here's a really easy way to test. Use Linpack. See if you can crack that TDP limit.

Though honestly, if at low clock speeds etc in Skylake vs Haswell they have X performance delta in benchmarks, and you overclock both to the same speed and they retain the same X performance delta (let's say... +8% benefit to using Skylake sounds about right) then even if Skylake is pulling too little, it can't be an artificial limit. If the performance delta shrinks, then certainly you'd be onto something.

 

Okay, had a chance to see and play with a P775 today.

@Phoenix

Gotta hand it to you.

Worst keyboard layout ever.

Keys are great, touch feel is great, amazing design, color. Layout is actually bad for a 17" laptop, never had this problem with other kbds... Solution would be actually the same keyboard with another laybout, as I actually love the keys!

 

More than the layout, I have a feeling that the keyboard cannot handle fast typing.
Either a firmware issue or I'm just plain retarded.
Either ways, external keyboard for days.

 

It would be able to handle it fine except for the U/J ghosting issue. The only dropped or reordered letters I've experienced have all been immediately before or after those two characters.

 

simply can't write right on it due to that layout... Cannot! Impossible... Not without missing one letter per word or so... And I'm used to 15" keyboards..



About P775... Let's see...



Is this good or bad for one 6700K? Still learning how to read it exactly ;_;

 

1.461V, what are your settings at?

 

Did Clevo think things through with the power cable? It's pretty heavy and I kind of worry about the strain it's putting on the entire laptop

 

Temps maxed out at 90C - CPU and 70C - GPU..

 

Yes, they thought things through on this....

 

My first thought is download the newest throttlestop instead of overclocking through Clevo control center. Second, try reducing the VID/Vcore to find a stable voltage that is lower for that multiplier. That will reduce some heat!

Edit: I personally prefer override voltage to prevent it shooting above what I set for voltage under adaptive (I'd rather have it crash and tweak it myself to find stable than let Intel request more and get unexpected temp spikes). I also usually set all four multipliers the same.

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Is this on custom settings, stock, or XMP profile?

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Wow

If we kill XTU process from Task Manager (only Clevo Center installed, no XTU installed) it just shots down. Very scary thing.

Seems that after I've tried to open Throttlestop (no settings applied, nothing!), the fans went crazy. What is to be done?

 

Throttle Stop and XTU don't like each other.

I use TS only to adjust voltage on the CPU, however you can also do this on XTU along with changing everything else under the sun so maybe just try using XTU?

The Clevo Center is okay, but again you can do all of that in XTU.... It's likely best to try and stick with as few programs as possible so that they are not eyeing each other constantly to throw one off balance if that makes sense.

 

How do I disable everything related to throttle stop? Does it just go away after a restart?



Also, Nvidia DSR -> 4K -> everything maxed out -> gsync -> FHD -> 75Hz fluid gameplay on star craft II. the game is old, but still quite an achievement with a single 1080.

 

out of curiosity, is it possible to stop all OC after playing around, Without reinstalling windows?

I mean, just stop. On a P775.

I'm curious on what the differences on benches are with everything stopped, and I've no idea what the scores are when the OCs on CPU are stopped. For GPU, there is a simple disable all OC button in Clevo OC, but for CPU there is no such thing ;_;

 

Ah great question. You'll have to go into Throttle Stop's folder and make sure you have selected to show hidden files. Then delete the .ini file within the Throttle Stop folder. By deleting this file, it will prevent TS from loading the previously saved configurations, which can lock up your system if it was set to low of a voltage offset etc...

Hope that helps!

With XTU you can load the default profiles and apply.

With TS...well I wouldn't use TS

With Clevo Center you can just click on default and apply. This will bring you back to square one. Remember to delete that .ini file in the TS folder though. (show hidden files)

 

First, xtu is integrated into the control center last time I checked. It can screw up fan profiles and have less favourable/predictable behavior over throttlestop. But, it seems the two are causing some conflict.

Yeah, for me, XTU is a bane and blight on laptop overclocking. I prefer bios/UEFI, then throttlestop, then xtu. If I can avoid xtu altogether, I do like the plague!!!

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True true. I was never a fan of XTU and usually only use it to monitor any current throttle limits or limits in general as that's the only app that I can think of to display that info. I too prefer BIOS as well, which I normally set to my daily driver multipliers of x46. The only annoyance with TS is having to delete the .ini file so that it doesn't load upon start up which can throw everything else off wacko that is currently set. I have my changes to set apply immediately on TS. Not a biggy, but just repetitive having to rid that file every time.

 

Don't like XTU nor TS nor anything here...

Now the profile fans aren't what they're supposed to be

Need some help. So I installed Clevo Center and played with it. I can't just turn it off because it has some great headphone enhancements for impedance detection.

But I can't find how to turn off CPU OC.

Did a fresh windows install + complete format of the drive.

Do I have to remove CMOS battery?

The problem is that after playing around a bit, fan spins up randomly and doesn't behave itself. Just like @Phoenix said it happens with XTU, the only difference is that for me it didn't go away with a windows reinstall on a formatted drive.

@Prema have I broken the BIOS in some way? when playing with OC from Clevo center? Only CPU acts up, GPU never goes above ~70C and works well, but CPU kinda heats up, fans are noisy and throttles (or just fails to be what it's supposed to be). Through playing, the worst thing I did was to set voltage to adaptive and set the offset to -210 from Clevo center...

Please help

 

You can choose which ThrottleStop profile is automatically applied at startup... like this image shows [ LINK] profile 4 (which I have set at 43x4 for the 4790K) starts as default on AC and battery power.

I have a number of ThrottleStop videos in my YouTube channel. I need to make an updated one once I get a DM3 but most of the stuff in my most current applies to the latest version from our awesome friend @unclewebb. The newest video I have in my channel is a couple of years old, which was before it was updated for more than 4 cores. You will see some features have been added since then and the UI has some differences, but it should help with setup for those that are new to ThrottleStop.



Edit: Forgot I had this newer video... shows more of the newest features than the one above.

 

Reset CMOS might not be a bad idea. If that doesnt help, send the issue to the reseller and ask for a copy of stock bios to reflash.

 

Don't even know where the CMOS is for P775.

After playing with it... It spins the fans pretty loud, for no reason. I mean, I've got 3 tabs of chrome open, no program running, and CPU is at 5%, yet it spins the fans at 30%-50% of their full power. Is this normal?

I have set CPU to default from Clevo center (3.2GHz), but now it stays at 4.0GHz for one reason or another, even though I also set the BIOS to 3.2 and the power to led the CPU go as lot as 7% instead of having the minimum 100%.

No idea what is going on... Can't debug this...

@Mr. Fox , You have a lot of OC adventures, how do you solve something like this?

 

Clevo Control Center is screwed up. The 6700K is not supposed to running at 3.2GHz. The 4.0GHz is the correct stock base clock speed so that behavior is by design. It is not broken.

http://ark.intel.com/products/88195/Intel-Core-i7-6700K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_20-GHz

Intel® Core™ i7-6700K Processor
(8M Cache, up to 4.20 GHz)

Specifications
-
Essentials
Processor Number i7-6700K
Status Launched
Launch Date Q3'15
Lithography 14 nm
Recommended Customer Price $339.00 - $350.00
-
Performance
# of Cores 4
# of Threads 8
Processor Base Frequency 4.00 GHz
Max Turbo Frequency 4.20 GHz
Cache 8 MB SmartCache
Bus Speed 8 GT/s DMI3
# of QPI Links 0
TDP 91 W

 

Only a full format and NVRAM reset may solve this mess (unless it is a hardware problem). Clevo control center can be problematic. I do not use this not so meaningful software Bloatware. Have no use for it....!! Retry without Clevo control center after a full format and reset of NVRAM!!
And afterwards learn how to use TS. A better choice( @unclewebb and other users will help in Trottlestop guide if you need it) ... (Use default voltage and clock speed in bios, but with maxed power settings ) Then create a profile with default Clock speed settings in TS from your bios). Later you can play with OC settings in TS and create nice working OC profiles. Then you can have both... Stock clock speed and overclocked speed as well

If you need the Crapware... How to install the latest version of control center without installing XTU http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...oenix-2-is-here.794530/page-464#post-10350783

 

I need to stop CC and other software insanity then ;_;

But I need to reinstall the entire windows to do this? (The process takes a lot when installing customized versions...)

 

-210 mV is way too much

-140mV is where I would keep it for stock clocks or -80 to -60 mV for a 4.4 ghz overclock

I have mine at -40 mV for a 4.5 GHz but that is because it's a Silicon Lottery CPU so it generates less heat, if it was a standard 6700K that wasn't a good chip, then it would overheat with such a low voltage offset

 

Do not think anything other than this may help. But Try Reset NVRAM (run all stock in bios). Test default settings as a doubtful option. Uninstall CCC first.

 

Okay, that is good to know.

So... Total format, removal of CMOS and I should have erased all traces of the OC I tried to do?

Then installing CC without XTU

Then using TS or just BIOS settings for a very mild OC to 4.2 GHz

This should do it?

How do I uninstall CC without the laptop closing down? (Killing XTU shuts it down)

 

You can use Autoruns.exe for disable all of the CCC and XTU services. Then try your machine again without this mess running(Or uninstall the ****).

 

Did this.

Noise is not that much solved, but seemed a bit better at first ;_;

830 CPU in Cinebench 15, no problems so far, but I don't know with what to test how reliable is the CPU right now. 3Dmark is a paid software, and I probably won't use it again after I test it this time...

 

3dmark has a free trial where you can do standard runs.

 

Tried ungine heaven

right now, GPU won't pass 70C (but it only 20 in room) and CPU wont top 80C,...

Haven't seen stability issues so far ;_;

The performance is awesome, but in ungine heaven I'\ve seen frame drops, (dips?)

 

Run Gpu-z sensor panel in the background. Then you can see the graphics behavior in tests. Or use Hwinfo in combination with Rtss. Put in values from cpu/gpu. You find how you setup this in one of the forum threads And I told you how you should put up and rather use Hwinfo than Hwmonitor in one of the previous posts in this thread!! Ps. I also put in links for processor benchmark test in one of the previous posts!!

 

Undervolt amount is relative, so this is kind of a moot statement and only applies to YOUR chip. If his base voltage is 1.35v and he runs -210mV he'll be sitting at 1.14v, which is still somewhat high considering I've seen many 6700K chips run under 1.1v at 4GHz. The resulting voltage is the key. If his base voltage was 1.1v and he hit a -60mV offset for stock and ended up at 1.04v and couldn't go lower, and your chip had 1.2v stock and you hit it -140mV and ended up at 1.06v, even though you have a "larger" undervolt, you're still using more voltage than he is. Remember my 4800MQ? All I've done to it is hit it with a -50mV offset but it remains under 1v for the majority of tasks. I don't think I've ever seen another haswell chip go below 1v at 3.5GHz with a simple -50mV offset.

Silicon lottery doesn't mean ANYTHING other than it was sold with a guarantee of X speed at X voltage. It has no bearing on how much heat it generates or any such ordeal.

It's probably a combination of a loading issue (try running through the whole benchmark by hitting next next next until it's looped once, and then try benching it... should have far less drops) and possibly a shader caching issue (because I have the problem with current drivers, and I did NOT have them a couple years ago before, according to octiceps, drivers that turned on shader caching came out).

 

@Phoenix was right though, -210 was a bit unstable.

Though I've no idea what voltage is right, I must say, with everything stock, all tweaks taken out, playing through God Knows what settings, the CPU stays at 4.0GHz, and it;s blazing fast. No need to further OC for me, had enough for one day.

 

Well ok, it very well could have been. But his statement was directly that -210mV is too much, but that's not a directly true statement. Some people could have that be just fine, which is why I clarified. After your undervolt, running TSBench should show the basic voltage you'd be using right there in the program.

If it works for you, great.

Also, if you want to disable the shader caching for Heaven, you'll likely need to do it in nVidia Profile Inspector, like so:

 

Thank you!

I should try to do that.

Latest run, no OC on anything, just vanilla



But I've no idea how it compares to anything else.

Gsync was activated, and so was V-sync, wanted to see if it can run super smooth. It did!

I get the feeling I'm a poor bencher when it comes to truly benching something to the last digit

 

So, do you know which voltages control what and how to test? Basically, you reduce voltage at a given multiplier, then stress to see if stable. You want to go in increments and measure. As @D2 Ultima said, it varies by chip. If I remember correctly, you will also need to play with the Vdroop while playing with Vcore on Skylake for stability. Doing this way requires trial and error. If you decide to use static rather than adaptive voltage, you look at the hard voltage number, as D2 was getting at, and adjust that. Once the CPU requests more voltage than what the hard limit is, the system will crash. Wprime 1024 is a good stressor, as is 1024 in TS. There are many others, same with going through benches to see if it crashes or throttles or opening chrome and Firefox with a **** ton of different tabs (100-300) which can bring an OC otherwise stable down.

This takes time and is tuning a high performance tool! It is to maximize performance while minimizing heat for your needs. Once fully set, you will enjoy your accomplishment. Remember, unless competitively overclocking, you are just looking for a good fit for you!

But I understand calling it good for the night. Once you learn the ins and outs, you'll be able to do it whenever you need on future machines, including desktops...

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Ok, I have a serious issue here.

Half the time I refresh this forum, @Georgel's avatar changes.

Anybody else? It's driving me insane it keeps going back and forth between the two same characters.

 

I'm not changing it myself

XD

Evil smile Plutia has been my avatar for a long time now. Maybe it's something site related, or I should completely delete the old avatar with Shirou?

 

I have no idea, but it keeps switching between Plutia and Shirou half the time.

 

One of the cores at 74, other two at 78 and one at 81 max temps... Is this normal?

 

Within normal. But if the difference being higher than 8 degrees I probably would consider repaste

 

It's normal