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    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Mar 4, 2016.

  1. jaybee83

    jaybee83 Biotech-Doc

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    hoping for the best, but expecting the worst concerning publicly updated ZM prema bios. after the switch to go through resellers, i dont think there will be any more public releases. understandable though, makes much more sense for him to ensure he gets properly compensated for his work :)

    Sent from my Huawei Mate 8 NXT-AL10
     
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    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    Just drop me a mail as usual JB...
     
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    To build on this, the sales on used ones or new ones are going on now to get rid of inventory (because it is heading into winter in the northern hemisphere).



    Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk
     
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    Hmmm add another 950 Pro 512GB (2x 950 Pro 512GB RAID0) for 1TB total space and blazing fast speeds or...get a new single 1TB 960 Pro..

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    Q937 Notebook Deity

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    Get two 2TB 960 Pros, then cry yourself to sleep because you just spent more on storage than most people spend on a gaming laptop.
     
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    jaybee83 Biotech-Doc

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    stick to your 950 pro and wait for X-Point ;)
     
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    I'll probably just RAID0 for now and wait for awhile to do anything else. Miss RAID0 :cool:
     
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    bloodhawk Derailer of threads.

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    Dont waste money on RAID'ing 961/960 pros.
     
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    ssj92 Neutron Star

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    I already have a 950 Pro. I'm going to get another 950 Pro 512GB and put them in RAID0. I don't plan to buy two new SSDs just for raid.

    Either that or I need to find a cheap M.2 SSD that has decent storage capacity (1TB) for cheap.

    As of right now I have:

    1x Samsung 950 Pro NVMe (OS)
    1x Samsung 850 Evo (Games)
    1x Seagate 2TB 5.4k RPM HDD (Storage)
     
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    bloodhawk Derailer of threads.

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    Ah sorry i misunderstood.

    I have a similar setup actually :
    950 Pro (+1 as an external TB3 drive)
    850 Evo (currently sitting on my desk since the 1080 is plugged into the M.2 slot :p)
    1 x Seagate 2TB
    1 x WD Black 750GB.
     
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  11. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    [​IMG]

    My bog standard test results with my SM961 :)
     
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    bloodhawk Derailer of threads.

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    Those drivers are insane.
     
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    Q937 Notebook Deity

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    Damn it Meaker, I just convinced myself not to buy two 960 Pros when they came out. Stahp.
     
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    That would be such a waste because you are bandwidth limited, most likely and depending on controller, etc., if you ever tried two 960 Evo in raid, even...

    Edit: to explain, pcie 3.0 x 4 has 3.94GB/s. The CPU has 16 pcie 3.0 lanes, 8 of which are dedicated to video. This puts 8 lanes shared for the rest. Because of this, if you have a couple sata drives, 2 pcie 3.0x4 m.2 drives, usb peripherals, etc., you may or may not, most likely not, be able to get the full speed of two 960 Pro 2TB drives. It will hit a limit.

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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    Consider grabbing in x400 1tb m.2 when you can find them around $240 or less...

    Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk
     
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    Q937 Notebook Deity

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    No, it's worse than you're making it out to be. The full 16 CPU lanes are usually dedicated to the GPU(s). The NVMe drives are connected via the PCH, which on Skylake and later is capped 3.93GB/s to the CPU over DMI 3.0. Putting them in RAID is stupid since you'll get almost no benefit, but having two drives still doubles your capacity.
     
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    Thank you for the correction!!! :) :) :)

    Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk
     
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    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    [​IMG]

    With the samsung drivers ;)

    Yes... and no:

    http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Storag...e-RAID-Tested-Why-So-Snappy/Latency-Distribut
     
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  19. Firebat246

    Firebat246 Notebook Deity

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    I have exactly the same... my OS in on a 512 950... games on a 1tb 850... and storage 2tb spinner! We are brothers!!


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  20. Georgel

    Georgel Notebook Virtuoso

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    aren't NVMe broken or really hard to install and use?

    I though I saw something about them being overly complicated to use to install windows on them, so I avoided getting any NVMe drivers...

    Is the cheapest and smallest M2 SSD from samsung going to affect my performance VS a 2.5SSD, if I keep windows on it, or it's a waste of time in real world usage?
     
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    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    I put it in, cloned it from the stock HDD, removed the old drive and booted first time :)

    Capacity up first, then move to NVMe if you can afford it.
     
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  22. Papusan

    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    Not today either :(, but still ok :D
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  23. iunlock

    iunlock 7980XE @ 5.4GHz

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    With some more fine tuning...new personal PR: (This is all Pre-Prema Magic)

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    3rd Overall ... 1st for 775 Class
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    Team T|i
     
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    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    Very nice :)
     
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    bloodhawk Derailer of threads.

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    Nice! What are the clocks like on the GPU ?
     
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    Mr. Fox BGA Filth-Hating Elitist

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    Definitely the best bang for the buck going with the X400 M.2 drives. NVMe is definitely awesome for impressive SSD benchmarks, but not much of anything else. Until NVMe prices drop to match normal SSD prices I consider it a frivolous expenditure unless running SSD benchmark brings you much joy. I can understand that, for sure. But, with normal everyday use, I am unable to perceive any difference in performance with NVMe drives... doesn't feel any faster to me.

    NVMe does require a lot of silly rigmarole with Windows 7, which is one reason why I ditched NVMe after having two of them in the Sky X9 review unit. It was too much of a pain in the ass to deal with, so I went with X400 M.2 drives for my own system. (Saving several hundred dollars per drive was pretty nice as well.) I'm not willing to part with Windows 7 completely because Windows 10 is still an inferior product. NVMe required no special effort with Windows 10.
     
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    Mr. Fox BGA Filth-Hating Elitist

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    Now, those are some really nice temps. Is it cold outside now?

    It is never cool enough in Phoenix to bench without AC. Even the coolest days of winter feels like autumn in most places, and that really sucks. :vbmad:
     
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    I'm debating grabbing a 2.5" ocz Trion 150 1TB for $200. Price is good, but for 20% more, the x400 has better random read and write, slower sequential, an extra 2 years on warranty (5 years over ocz 3 years), 50% more writes (compared to ocz as a 100% mark), which overall says the extra $40 is worth it. Considering after almost a year, I've only written 12TB on my 500GB evo, either drive will likely outlive the warranty period many times over.

    Also, many articles I've read have said in day to day activities the NVMe drives aren't noticeable in user experience. If you regularly work with large files (movies, uhd and above photographs, etc.), then the transfer rate is more noticeable... Since the latter isn't my primary concern, it doesn't effect me.

    Now, my only concern with m.2 prices matching 2.5"sata ssds is when companies will switch to all m.2 drives in their laptops (not meaning all nvme pcie drives, but a blend of those and sata m.2). I'd like to get a 1-2tb drive, but it would suck if manufacturers go to all m.2 in the next machine I get (leaving it for a future desktop build at that point)...


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    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    Yeah the winter is coming(windy and a lot of rain - snow and cold is January/February). But I haven't winter temperature inside :cool: Maybe around 15 degrees a few times for my benching. And my mod U3 helps with dust cleaning and temp. I have preferred a A/C bench like you others, because if the inside temp is too cold, my wife and daughter will be angry :oops: And cold inside(under 18-19C) isn't a very good solution for my very broken lungs. A AC unit would be a very good solution for my benching, because I could same time have a ok temperature for my health. A wish dream :D With a AC unit, I could probably shaved off 5/10C degrees. That would be wonderful :p
     
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    bloodhawk Derailer of threads.

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    Gained about a 1000 points, trying to understand how the whole Pascal Overclocking works.

    http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/15347985
    [​IMG]

    Let see if anyone can find anything different/missing.
     
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    Georgel Notebook Virtuoso

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    All this talk of SSD speeds, and I'm waiting over an hour to copy 64 GB of music to a microsd card :(

    A good 100mb / second that any HDD could achieve was pretty nice, ~500mb/s for SSDs is more than welcome.

    Anyone knows why when I copy something from SSD to my HDD I get a short burst of ~1GB/s of copy speed for ~4GB of files or so?
     
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    [​IMG]

    Gave a single card a go.

    My 1080s run pretty cool but they are simply voltage starved at this point. 2050Mhz is my max core clock at these voltages.
     
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    Damn for the notebook cards, thats solid!
    This is what i get with the clocks bouncing between - 2000/2012. Cant wait for my AC to be fixed.
    http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/15349356
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    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    I hit around 64c during the test on the gpu so I'm certainly not temp bound for the GPU :)
     
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    TBoneSan Laptop Fiend

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    Those are spectacular temps. Better than I had on 980ti hybrid on a desktop!
    I'll have to mirror your thermal pad solution :) I don't suppose you remember what page it was on? Call me lazy but I'm using a crappy Windows tablet and its frustratingly slow :mad:
     
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    That's a great 3DMark 11 score. And, I can't tell you how nice it is to see something besides another Fire Strike run.
     
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    Yes, been talking with @Ted@HIDevolution. There have been delays outside of their control with the 1440p 120Hz display panels not being readily available and NVIDIA dragging their feet on G-Sync certification, etc. Hopefully, the wait will soon be over. I know @Prema is eager to get his P870DM3 as well. It also took over a month for me to get paid by Amazon from selling the P870DM-G since that was a new account and the first item sold. Actually, I think a number of folks have orders in limbo due to LCD availability issues.

    Definitely bookmark that post. I did.
     
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    Q937 Notebook Deity

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    Speaking of selling the P870, can you drop me a PM? I've got a few quick questions about that and don't want to spam up the thread.
     
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    Mr. Fox BGA Filth-Hating Elitist

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    From 3DMark 2001 through Fire Strike... watch 'em all here. A full 50 minutes of your life that you'll never get back!

    The difference in realism between 3DMark 05 and 3DMark 06 is truly amazing. I used to think it was silly that those two benchmarks are so similar, but it really gives you a good perspective on how much things improved in DX graphics between those two benchmarks. That really stands out when you see them back-to-back.

     
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    D2 Ultima Livestreaming Master

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    How do you think I had it so fast? I have many useful things bookmarked.
     
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    Mr. Fox BGA Filth-Hating Elitist

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    Oh, I fully expected you did. I know that about you, Mr. Awesome. ;)

    The suggestion was for others that do not. Whenever I see something useful like that I usually do save it to my favorites.
     
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    D2 Ultima Livestreaming Master

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    Yup! It makes it easier to link other people things too. So far my most used ones are SLI without reboot and N=1's breakdown of Maxwell (extends to pascal) voltage variance for much of its "efficiency".
     
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    I have the reboot function turned off too though the Nvidia power setting actually needs one until it kicks in.
     
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    My guess would be you are seeing the cached burst speed, then the non cached data transfer speed.
     
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    D2 Ultima Livestreaming Master

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    Wait what
     
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    Optimise power
    Adaptive
    Perfer maximum performance

    When switching between the 3 you need to restart for them to kick in properly.
     
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    Per-game I don't need a reboot, excepting the program. If it requires a reboot for Pascal, something be odd. I usually start a game --> close game --> change profile up in NVPI --> reboot game and it's fine. Even using NCP directly it's fine.
     
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